Michael von Prussia

What if my opinion is that war sucks?

Go get 'em, BD!

Good luck in your endeavors, ONYX.

Have fun, NAC!

Go get 'em, Invicta!

[quote name='Banksy' timestamp='1296029806' post='2602426'] --- the quality of our opponents. This sort of unintelligent garbage you people spout is exactly why we're in the position where we can walk all over you. [/quote] You are aware I was parodying the person I was quoting, yes?

[quote name='Solaris' timestamp='1295986398' post='2600774'] You may consider us the enemy. These conclusions are flawed. We are your salvation. [/quote] To save you, we may have to kill you. [quote name='King Charge' timestamp='1295989593' post='2600882'] This is probably the most hilarious post yet. You actually have the audacity to tell someone else to, "get over it"? Your whole bloc, existence, and CN experience is gravitated around hating and keeping down the NPO for their past atrocities. YOU GET OVER IT, you sissies. [/quote] This ranks right up there with [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=97693&st=280&p=2598378&#entry2598378]Facade's[/url] for 'best post of the war'. Less elegant wording, but a point that certainly holds its own. [quote name='Owned-You' timestamp='1295991152' post='2600929'] [font="Tahoma"]In my opinion, this beat-down has less to do with their past (it certainly made it easier for us though) and more to do with the threat they'd mount in the future. Simply because the NPO is one of the few competent alliances on the other side that could amass some strength to be an annoyance down the road. Most sheep flock over to the largest personalities and egos, enamored by bravado. NPO have plenty of personalities, egos, and bravado and will given time amass enough bodies to throw at the feet of our Doom House. Rather then allow them to grow into that future, we've opted to kill the baby in the cradle.[/font] [/quote] [i]"Whaaa! MK big body, small brain! Pacifica small body, big brain! Pacifica growing! Can't let him! Must... kill... [b]whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa[/b]!"[/i]

o/ Damsky

When Athens attacked TPF about a year ago, there was an exceptional amount of !@#$%*ing and complaining about their CB being six months old. It seems to me like the faint trace of a CB that was used in this case was over [i]two years[/i] old. What a bunch of !@#$. Hail Pacifica! Onwards to victory and the destruction of opportunistic hypocrisy!

Now that we've gotten all the mindless hailing out of the way, allow me to point out that while you accuse the anti-PB coalition of trying their hardest to keep the NPO out of war, you neglect to mention that your goons (in the general, not proper, sense) have been doing the exact opposite, doing all you can to try to pull them in. When all else failed, preemptive strike! Er... I'd wish you good luck, really, I would, but... well, starting to have second thoughts about supporting y'all in Karma when you've acted quite similarly to NPO since then. You'll get your due punishment in time as well, I suppose.

Forward, Pacifica!

Good luck, CCC.

Peace is something I can get behind

I lost interest upon determining that Myg0t wasn't going to be enslaving SLCB members. Very disappointing announcement.

[quote name='Mr Damsky' timestamp='1295673810' post='2590998'] MvP, I'd like to apologize for insulting your warrior skills in fighting possibly the two best militaries in CN: GGA and Hydra. Truly you must have endured great hardship when engaging against these two worthy foes. I can almost imagine having to fight off GGA's 50 bombers per air attack. I shudder to think what I would have done against such an onslaught. [/quote] Did I ever say they were hard wars to win?

[quote name='Fyfe XIV' timestamp='1295669224' post='2590700'] Oh god, you're serious. [/quote] I am. I'm not saying one should avoid war at all costs: if war comes, by means of a valid CB and when diplomatic attempts at conflict-resolution fail, or by a need to honor a treaty, so be it. But actively going and looking for war, whether it be as a national leader or an alliance leader, is just plain ridiculous. To bring this back on topic, take this declaration. I may not agree with it, but at the very least Athens is entering the war to honor a treaty it holds. I've no problem with this declaration in its principle. On the other hand, VE's initial declaration, whether the CB is valid or not, I'm not too pleased with, for the sole reason that there was no need. As numerous people have pointed out, any reasonable attempt at diplomacy could have resolved the issue without war. VE, or VE's leadership, [i]wanted[/i] a war, and desire for war - the opposite of what Damsky labeled 'infra-hugging' - is a trait of bad leadership. [quote name='rsoxbronco1' timestamp='1295669970' post='2590746'] We haven't been at war in at war for nearly a year? [/quote] Sorry if there's confusion - that was directed at Damsky, not at Athens. His nation and past alliances have been far more war-hungry, and as stated above, I've no problem with this declaration in principle, even if I disagree with its execution. [quote name='rsoxbronco1' timestamp='1295669970' post='2590746'] Who are these alliances that you've bravely fought against when the times called for it? And no, signing a petition doesn't count. [/quote] Not that this is relevant, as far as I see, but I fought GGA as a member of iFOK in the Karma War, and Hydra as a member of the SOS Brigade in the Winter War. Again: my alliance entered a war, I fought. I think that's what the vast majority of people do, so I seriously don't think I'm that far away from your average ruler in this regard.

[quote name='Cao Pai' timestamp='1295669184' post='2590698'] There's a next generation? Yes, it'd be interesting to be in a wold without any treaties, but I don't see it as being a very viable one to live with. Basically, all a treaty is (not really is, but should be) is a means of which to determine who's allied with who in a more explicit nature, and to determine to which degree an alliance will act upon that friendship. [/quote] Plus, if there was no treaty web, what would people and alliances get tangled up in? The semi-vaporous partly imaginary web of touchy-feely interalliance friendships and love triangles? Very interesting read, Tyga.

[quote name='Master-Debater' timestamp='1295657430' post='2589908'] Also: We should see some white peace starting soon here and let VE and NpO blow their own stupid asses up. [/quote] I think this is the smartest idea I've heard since the beginning of the war. So, a poor CB gets poorer. Why should I expect more from the likes of VE, again?

[quote name='Mr Damsky' timestamp='1295654324' post='2589754'] If only you actually fought them. You have 350k casualties. I have 530k. I have never gotten past 10k NS. You are 80k NS. You are the textbook definition of an infra-hugger. [/quote] If that's supposed to be an insult, it's a really bad one. I'm honestly not sure what you think is so bad about wanting to grow my nation and not actively seeking warfare, but it's sort of the point of running a nation. I've never backed away from warfare; I've never weaseled my way out of fighting a war: every war any alliance of mine was in, I fought in. Just because I don't go rogue someone I hate every time my nation strength threatens to break double-digits doesn't make me a coward. It just... doesn't make me an idiot, either. tl;dr - infra-hugging is a trait of good leadership; people who are routinely in alliances that don't go to war every other week aren't cowards. I guess I'm done here.

[quote name='Duncan King' timestamp='1295633840' post='2589338'] Sorry, Locke. Since you went all anime, you've been doing nothing but annoying me. You were cool when you were Invicta. [/quote] I'm sure he liked anime when he was Invicta, too

[quote name='Mr Damsky' timestamp='1295588196' post='2588365'] Not you're a coward for frothing at the mouth with blood lust yet doing nothing. [/quote] You have me there, Damsky. You and I may have our differences, but I admit, you're far more willing to go to war at the drop of a hat against nations and alliances you hate than I am. Then again, I find having more than a few infrastructure levels on hand at any given time helps to win wars, but that may just be me... [quote name='Jgoods45' timestamp='1295606739' post='2588971'] Don't worry, we have spoken to our allies in great detail about this. [/quote] Yes, I got as much from replies such as... [quote name='Scorponok' timestamp='1295617653' post='2589071'] You're [i]too [/i]kind guys, really [i]too [/i]kind. So after we pledge to not attack your ally you turn around and do this, thanks a bunch . IAA, TIO and GATO are honoured to know you would be [i]so[/i] kind. [/quote] No, wait a minute... these replies seem to indicate the exact opposite. Nevermind.

[quote name='Mr Damsky' timestamp='1295587540' post='2588296'] It certainly won't be by your hands, coward. [/quote] Wait, I'm a coward for not entering a global war that none of my allies are involved in and that does not otherwise involve me? If I [i]had[/i] done so, you'd've called me a bandwagoner.

[quote name='mikk206' timestamp='1295583565' post='2587782'] Sucks to be your ally, if you picking on the people defending your allies [/quote] This was about my thoughts on the matter. If you wanted to war so badly you couldn't wait for a target to present itself that wouldn't give your allies a CB against you, then quite frankly, I'll enjoy watching your nations being burned to the ground.

[quote name='Scorponok' timestamp='1295513200' post='2585979'] That WC is for a 50K Nation >_> [/quote] That's pretty sad. Stop it! Stop it! You're making me feel bad for iFOK! Anyway, late to this and all, but good luck, Imperia!