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No of course their not...the spirits in which the treaties were signed are no longer there and the very text of those treaties have been violated. If you want blood, why don't you go tell your alliance leaders to attack TPF's NON ALLIES for not honoring treaties they don't have to honor. -

Are you kidding me ? Whether the operation was successful or not, the operation was thought out, it was enacted, and thus it doesn't matter if their guilty of spying or not; and they did SPY. Non of the signatories above have the requirement to defend TPF, and they shouldn't. TPF knows what mhawk and company did was wrong and now they suffer the consequences. Sad but true, if any of their allies want to join in defense of TPF, it's very honorable, but stupid at the same time. Indeed they were, and their allies shouldn't pay the price for their mistake.

this straight out made me smile...

600 users waiting for a DoW, and you give them this ? epic, you sir are classy!

Ill be honest, not one. Don't be foolish, if you think these guys are going anywhere your mistaken, even if they get pummeled to the ground they'll return. Initial DoW was posted nearly 2 hours after the update. Why ? I have no idea.... Although they weren't at war with Athens, they were. Why ? It was a group war...Hegemony Vs. Karma...this by no means they were justified in spying, if they even did that (not good enough evidence, IMO). Although I may say...if your spying on nations of an alliance during a war, can't you also spy on said alliance internally ? Is it technically not the same thing ? Regardless, if this was not a war related spy attack but instead an operation (long term) to destroy/crumble an alliance from within (an operation that could take months or years) then this war is justified... Might I ask how Rok got the logs if ZH is Athens protectorate ?

Maybe tonight...Christmas eve....while most people are out celebrating... *one can always hope* But seriously, 100 pages...and now RIA is involved ?

Well....between the three threads we now have over 76 pages of discussions and bickering, flaming, etc. So...where's the DoW ?

I don't know how they ended up in there, I might have clicked on Quote (of other thread) by mistake.

Sorry...just don't have the time to read the 25 extra pages that were posted throughout last night and today...

44 pages of stuff...and still no DoW even tho DF was attacked by people under the NSO AA ? (please someone tell me I'm delusional...but I think this calls for a war ?) Even better, one of the guys that attacked switched AA's so they can declare them him as rogue...intentionally, I might add.

Absolutely...this should totally be seen as the NSO/DF Cold War....a period of high tensions between both parties...have fun, enjoy it!

It's not surprising that this tyhread had reached over 15 pages. To the Leaders of Dark Fist: From the OP you started all wrong, yours plans were flawed and I hope you see that now, and they obviously backfired. Anyone with half a brain who reads this thread should clearly see through the OP and what it stated and instead have seen "We want to rally support against NSO because we don't/can't do it on our own." If you dislike them and you oppose their policies do something about it, point blank...but don't come here saying your all displeased when you have no proof. Secondly and more importantly; the issue of "who really did this?" is irrelevant at this point because Dark Fist wont attack the NSO and the NSO doesn't care anyways. If you would have thought on how to go about this situation first, maybe you would have faired better because of it. You should have immediately RUN the IP from the "graphic images" poster and hand it over to your allies or even CN Admin to look for a potential IP match and then have SOLID EVIDENCE to present to the Citizens of Bob and other alliance leaders pointing to NSO (or whoever else, maybe your own members) as the culprit. By simply posting this thread you have made a joke of your own ideals, alliance, and yourself. Lastly, I would advice against calling for the "destruction" of other alliances, such words can be seen as an Act of War by the other party, something that could result in what you obviously don't desire, WAR.

Well SCM, you have contradicted yourself many times in this thread; starting with the fact that you have called for the "destruction of the NSO" yet "Don't [want] to go to war with NSO". You have always expressed your hate or huge dislike for the NSO but again have never done anything about it. I'm not saying that you should, it would be amusing to the citizens of BOB but not too smart a political decission. If anything, try and match that IP by searching it on your allies forums...maybe you'll find something there. Then again, you might find nothing at all. ...useless thread, threw me off by a lot.

Indeed... shame of whoever revived this thread. So long ago...

Indeed they do; however once you start plotting to "internally" or even have some sort of "foreign" control over another alliance I think your overstepping your bounds and the trust of your treaty partners. It's all good when its "hypothetical" if even that...because when your talking about it...then you can assume there's a plan behind it... tl;dr no alliance likes to be looked at as a puppet of another alliance. Best of luck to our allies in the ODN. Hopefully this all blows over soon enough.

I have to echo these sentiments....Jeff is great with Achmed, Walter, and the rest of em... Gratz on the new ODP to both signatories.

I guess someone is getting rolled in December after all....Merry Christmas anyone ???

Dr. Fresh izlee totally deserves that award, the dude is awesome! o/ awards I see it has moar Gopher ?

Congratulations on the new government MCXA! A lot of familiar faces there ;p

is TSU getting rolled ? *wishful thinking* hehe... not but really...why would you not disclose the reason(s) for leaving an Economic treaty ?

I have to reiterate some of the prior comments posted in this thread: An alliance can never have to phew or many treaties...they should have as many as they deem fit or necessary. As to alliance that are connected to major "blocs" around BOB, they will often have to make tough decisions based on which of their allies is the "greater ally".

Hey...isn't that TNT's ? zzz

In the months to come you might find that history repeats itself. But what do I know...I'm just another person....

Congratulations Olympus on successfully lasting 1 year TPE would race you to 2 but you would win ;p gratz! best of luck in the future!

I think this thread has run its course and it's about time it ended...I was beginning to get tired of the back and forth between "former allies".