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[quote name='Alterego' timestamp='1314603542' post='2790422']
When you look at an "alliance" you look at every member. If an "alliance" like MHA has 190 members out of 563 below 5k NS or 247 nations out of 563 below 10k NS then that "alliance" is on average weak despite its high total NS. It doesnt matter that they have 23 nations over 100k NS because we are looking at alliances as a whole not just the best bits minus the crap bits. An alliance is only as strong as its 200 weakest members.
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I somewhat disagree with this, an alliance with larger numbers could wipe the floor with the smaller numbered elite alliances because they would have their upper tier be able to drop off the wars after a week while their next tier would take over.
MHA for instance, on numbers alone their top 80 has an ANS of probably 80,000+. These 40-65 member "elite" alliances with ANS of 50-70k would have to face that top 80, then that top 80 would have their wars drop off after a week and be fine, while the elite smaller alliance would have another wave on them because MHA's next 50 nations have an ANS around 50k.
That could repeat down the chain until it go to the level that the elite alliance was able to terrorize the lower tiers due to superior war chest, improvement, and wonder counts.
This is not taking into account activity, or other factors that can't be known in a survey of sheer numbers like this. -
[quote name='King Louis the II' timestamp='1314245651' post='2787988']
the only exception to the rule is Umbrella since no mass alliance has a top 80 tier (aproximately the number of umbrella members) like umbrella.
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From a NS perspective Fark's top 75 aren't that far behind Umbrella's top 75. -
[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1314170448' post='2787559']
While most might have MP by now, around half that many also have SDI. Then less than half of those have WRC limiting them to half as many nuke purchases, which in a long term war as nukes reserves are used up makes a difference. Also with Hidden Nuke Silo, you can hold on to at least 5 nukes to use whenever without worrying about them being spied. So the wonder make a big difference for those who have them and those who don't.
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Admittedly I look mainly at our alliance where we have 106 MP/94SDI. Our WRC numbers are a bit lower due to the fact that many of our nations have trouble getting to 8500 infra and having a war chest left over after buying a WRC due to very frequent and long nuclear wars we've ended up in the past 2 years.
Still, most of the fighting you are referencing where a full compliment of wonders is going to be matched up with someone who doesn't have them is going to be after the nation with full wonders has been sunk to the bottom by nations with higher tech and all the wonders.
You aren't going to find many 50,000+ NS nations in most war ready alliances who don't have all the military wonders. -
[quote name='AAAAAAAAAAGGGG' timestamp='1314159007' post='2787485']
It actually had nothing to do with Gre's allies not helping them. Gre did that entire fight by themselves alone. Gre had a huge upper tier advantage in that war and could have easily held out for much longer. The reason they lost was the fact that Ramirus alienated his own alliance to the point where his own members began to leave one by one, and when IRON gained the advantage, they attacked head on.
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GRE still had a large upper tier and Matt Miller brought quite a few of them down to where the rest of IRON could reach them, then they would invariably get swamped under and sent to the bottom. -
[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1314159945' post='2787494']
Depends on the Military Wonders, no SDI means your nation is an easy target to burn with no wasted nukes. No Manhatten Project you can't nuke back, no WRC and you can only build one nuke a day instead of 2. So big tech advantages can easily be worn down by a nation with no tech compared to one with no military wonders.
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I am referring to the fact that wars in this day are fought mostly by nations with at least a full set of military wonders.
Even last war when I was knocked down from near 100k ns to around 20k ns I was facing nuke capable nations the entire time. -
Wars are won by having the most allies. This upper tier stuff in a 1 vs 1 setting was proven a fallacy by the IRON/DAWN/GRE front. Gre and their upper tier was slowly eaten alive by IRON once GRE's allies decided they weren't going to put any more effort into keeping their fat out of the fire.
As for the individual fighting the order of importance are as follows.
Willingness to burn >>> Activity >>> Tech >>> Military Wonders. -
[quote name='Vanilla Napalm' timestamp='1314054550' post='2786398']
This amused me, thread salvaged!
Also, anyone else supposing that TPF's allies will be next in line for a friendly FARK visit?
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I am not really clear on the meaning behind this one. -
[quote name='Ashoka the Great' timestamp='1314047560' post='2786326']
Lighten up. The discussions are far from serious. More of a communal "Oh dear God what the hell is that" and much facepalming. Add in many justified statements about a certain individual's leadership skills, or complete lack thereof, and you'll get a very real sense of what the discussions are like.
I should also mention that the discussions I've seen in this regard have not been on our forum, the Mj forum or those of any of its member alliances.
I didn't intend to relate the two in that way. What I'm saying is that if SF/XX believe there's some kind of active conspiracy against them and decide to act first, it might have the unintended consequence of causing the many alliances tied to both sides to either support those who were attacked or to sit there and do nothing.
Thus it would be unwise.
As to the existence of said conspiracy, I believe I've said that if one exists then I've yet to be informed of it. I have been given no reason to change that statement.
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I feel that if they make a strike that it won't change at all how the treaty web would unfold against them. It certainly didn't hurt Doomhouse at all to pull their true preemptive strike against someone who was never going to fire a shot against them. Hell, it even appears that you guys rushed out of your Polaris front to run and join them in their attacks.
Whatever guns that are aligned against SF/XX right now are still pointed at their heads and will be regardless of their approach to the first shot being fired. I could see a couple of XX members using it as an excuse to duck and run but it would be a hollow excuse on their part.
Because they way it looks to me the cold war on SF/XX has already started through isolationist actions being performed by MK and no doubt many others who haven't had their discussions leaked. -
[quote name='Ashoka the Great' timestamp='1314035920' post='2786231']
That wouldn't be a particularly wise thing to do, especially since most of the recent discussions (I'm privy to) have involved expressing various degrees of horror at one particular new alliance and whether or not someone should give them a one-way ticket to the glue factory. Let me be clear, though, that I don't really expect anything to happen. At this point we're just taking turns saying, "Ewwwwwww!"
However, once we've recovered from the feelings of shock and disgust, I'm sure we'll be pleased to give you all the attention we gave you before this group of equine neophytes made an appearance. Namely....none.
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Well, it's nice to know that yet another war against us is being discussed before the SF/XX rolling that comes down the pike.
Though I am not sure why it wouldn't be wise for SF/XX to do as General Lee suggested because of that. -
If Youwish makes it back will he be considered a zombie?
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I am surprised FEAR didn't just attack if they felt the need to have this thread.
This would have given an open door to people who still want to hit Polaris for the umpteenth time.
That alone would have likely earned FEAR great praise from quite a few. -
[quote name='white majik' timestamp='1313183104' post='2778813']
I would say the isolation is happening to SF and by extension Fark (because they are still defacto SF) and RnR. So it may seem that people are "gunning" for XX but in reality its SF. Who is actively out to get sparta or MHA or RnR? NoR and NV might have a problem with Sparta due to not fighting for their side this last war then hitting NV. But Sparta holds a treaty with Asgaard which im assuming will keep NoR off them (as well as being in Noir), and NV seems to be an inactive shell. RnR is perceived to be the voice of reason within SF and has little to no enemies. And out side of flipping sides and having ghosts what has MHA ever done to anybody in the last 3 years?
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So people aren't really gunning for XX, just maybe 50% or possibly 75% of the bloc? -
[quote name='AirMe' timestamp='1313290493' post='2780253']
Holy crap people actually listen!
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I am one of you guys 10s of fans! Can't wait for the promised episode next Wednesday. -
[quote name='Neo Uruk' timestamp='1313269516' post='2779899']
The fact that NoR played off the wording shows how concerned they are.
Ardus wants a world where his alliance is able to defend themselves against any possible threats, he is a bad person.
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I believe if you will listen to the CN talkshow Ardus said he believes Bob is on it's last legs and he is trying everything he can possibly get away with just to see how far he can go. -
[quote name='WorldConqueror' timestamp='1313268683' post='2779882']
Look at me, I'm playing politics Mum! It's pretty funny to see you constantly and transparently trying to paint yourself as a brilliant political strategist and military tactician, equal to anything the other side can throw at you. Repetition is the key, right?
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I imagine Sparta is putting in a ton of work right now trying to find someway to ditch Fark and R&R. -
Well looks like the MK damage control department managed to rack up another victory.
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[quote name='MaGneT' timestamp='1313133981' post='2778492']
The problem here is with the notion that Mj is within the MK/PB sphere of influence. We have much stronger ties to other parts of the web, namely AZTEC and Duckroll. I know that DT has always been quite amicable with MK and some members of PB. That does not mean that we consider ourselves bound to them nor do we expect them to think the same of us.
What I'm getting at is that a lot of us in Mjolnir don't really have an agenda that has much to do with MK and I think Ardus meant that his agenda doesn't have much to do with us. The fact is, we like each other quite a bit, but there's no real romance or hatred. If you're right and they decide to move against us one day down the road, that'll be fine, but it won't be because of Mj acting for power. I don't expect MK/PB to come knocking at our door a few months after SF gets knocked down because it's our turn to get punched.
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If that is the actual Mj stance on this, good luck in making it work. Like I said earlier, I have no love at all for SF/XX members and seeing them take the pipe is all well and good. But I actually do like some of the Mj alliances and the DR alliances like Iron/ML/BAPS too.
After seeing DH/PB/CnG and company use for gain and then eat up so many alliances over the past 3 years I really can't see how it seems to be a good idea to help them out if you aren't in one of the blocs Ardus mentioned securing power for in the OP. -
[quote name='Azaghul' timestamp='1313132721' post='2778480']
The ability of some people to project an MK-centric view about everything that happens would be impressive if it weren't so tiresome.
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Yes, because you guys hold no political sway at all. Your Prince's speech to FOK which appears to have spurred them into cancelling on Fark certainly doesn't show that you hold any sway. -
[quote name='Chief Savage Man' timestamp='1313133263' post='2778481']
Does this at least mean you don't think Supergrievances still exists anymore, Vol Navy?
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It would appear that the Super part has outlived it's usefulness to those with Grievances. -
[quote name='Il Impero Romano' timestamp='1313132460' post='2778476']
This isn't a thread about whether or not GOD has made mistakes and if they are deserving of some ire derived therefrom, nor is it a thread about our feelings on those mistakes, this is a treaty announcement between two alliances that have been talking for quite a long time. No hidden meaning, no special relation to other contemporaneous threads, no super duper plot.
So yea, I'm sorry I guess.
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There is literally no way you can not have saw how the timing of this with the current situation that GOD is in would make it appear that you are ready to toss them to the wolves.
I don't care if you and TOP have been talking about this since the day after you reformed. -
[quote name='MaGneT' timestamp='1313131815' post='2778470']
I won't deny your point that MK, the other DH sigs and a bunch of alliances in PB are power players. Hell, they wouldn't deny it either. That being said, there's a stark contrast between us, a bloc that is pretty friendly with virtually everyone except SF and NPO, their sworn enemies.
To me, it's like telling someone to watch out for Bill because he punched his ex-wife's new flame in the face. If you're not dating his ex-wife, odds are he probably doesn't hate you. It's not perfect, but hey, it's 3AM.
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Pretty friendly with MK/PB only lasts as long as they allow it. At one time they were pretty friendly with SF/XX. Now they have replaced those nations with others via the treaty web and they aren't so friendly with them at all.
The way I see it if you keep helping the fox catch the chickens, when he runs out of chickens he is going to eat you even if you don't want to eat him. -
[quote name='white majik' timestamp='1313112486' post='2778131']
HAH this made me laugh considering no one is gunning for XX and the fact that Umbrella is directly tied to 2 members of XX and one chain away from another FOK-RnR
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Good Lord...yes....no one is gunning for XX at all. Fark isn't being lined up for a beating with the treaty drops and Ardus and no doubt others aren't trying to isolate them to clear the way. -
[quote name='Il Impero Romano' timestamp='1313131158' post='2778467']
I'm betting on you're an idiot and this is an unrelated treaty announcement.
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I know you say you are standing by GOD and all that but good Lord man, we all know that a good portion of your bloc is out to kill your MADP partner. It's also no secret that TOP is not happy with GOD's MDoAP partner Fark for the Polaris treaty and it's quite clear that TOP's MDoAP partner MK hates XX/GOD/SF etc. You are just weaving up closer ties to a side that is clearly opposed to what has generally been the closest treaty partner you have had for years.
The timing of this and the denials that you are hurting GOD are just crazy at this point. Because even if it truly is your intention to do all you say you are going to for GOD, no way anyone is going to believe that in the current political climate. -
[quote name='Sandwich Controversy' timestamp='1313126322' post='2778414']
Well then luckily for you TPF is in no such danger.
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Nah, we've had to fight way to much to grow to that level.
I don't blame MK for doing all this diplomatic leg work though. Unless things have vastly improved you guys have serious issues with about 2/3rd of your alliance doing more than logging in to collect taxes every 20 days, even in the midst of war.
CN:TE Round 19 Starts on 9/4 at 12:00 AM
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[quote name='LeDee' timestamp='1315112613' post='2794353']
What are you talking about?? I'm in. My nation ranks #1 of 1... I WIN!!!!!
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