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[quote name='Steve Buscemi' timestamp='1312580797' post='2772874']
Fark has been intent on destroying Non Grata for several months now. Why do you think this is? If Fark were to attack NG (so basically PB) with XX/SF's support who would GOD defend, VE or RnR? In a battle of XX vs. PB who would win?
edit: I feel like this is relevant since RnR dual affiliation and SF/XX's close ties.
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This makes no sense at all. NG dropped a perfect CB in FARK's lap and FARK chose diplomacy. -
The irony of MK calling any other alliance childish is thicker than ice in the Antarctic.
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[quote name='Delta1212' timestamp='1312494100' post='2772086']
I could draw a number of parallels between the current climate and almost any point in CN's history. Ultimately, this is a political game, and people have a few styles of playing. Some of the more effective ones tend to keep cropping up and that leads to a great deal of repetition in what goes on. As a community, we've spent a lot more time refining how the game is played than we have changing it, and I think a lot of that is that if you aren't playing that game, you wind up losing to the people doing a better job of it.
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[quote name='Chief Savage Man' timestamp='1312493284' post='2772077']
Is this a question or a statement?
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Well since, you know, I asked if they see any similarity to what was happening in 2007-08, that it is indeed a question. -
Do you see any similarity to the current political climate vs the days of tC/Pacifica in late 2007-mid 2008?
AKA alliances/blocs are used to gain power then discarded and rolled by a certain core once that position is achieved. -
[quote name='AAAAAAAAAAGGGG' timestamp='1312435235' post='2771553']
If you think today's current political climate is stagnating, either you're not paying attention or just whining about the fact that no one likes your terrible alliance.
Nonetheless, this connection to IRON is hardly going to lead to stagnation.
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I honestly have no care about who does or doesn't like my alliance, have spent nearly 2.5 years getting randomly attacked and it doesn't bother me in the slightest. We have a few partners that I am happy with and am very glad our foreign policy isn't to attempt to treaty everyone who might someday want to fight so we can roast marshmellows and sing songs with each other if tension may arise. Or make sure we have multiple sides to dash to if the winds seem to be blowing ill.
This individual treaty isn't going to cause stagnation if you could take it apart from many other treaties, it is a symptom of an overall problem that is reaching critical mass.
Tension in the political environment is pretty much the most interesting aspect of the planet for me and many others who are the most active players. It's like a ton of alliances go to great lengths to avoid and diffuse all that so that nothing ever changes. -
[quote name='AAAAAAAAAAGGGG' timestamp='1312434306' post='2771540']
Pandora's Box gave you a war already. What more do you want?
Also, pretty psyched about this new relationship with IRON. Hopefully it takes us places.
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It has nothing to do with war. It's the political situation that leads to wars. At this point it literally seems like you have NPO and about 5 or 6 allies and a massive treaty ball made up of about 7 blocs trying desperately to form as many connections with each other as humanly possible.
You should all just cancel every treaty and form a mega-bloc and call it something hokey like The Empire and at least maybe you wouldn't give poor Bob Janova headaches with his attempts at treaty web monitoring. -
Lots of treaty announcements but no cancellations.
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[quote name='Krack' timestamp='1312390671' post='2771005']
What you fail to realize is that FARK is not an alliance of s#@!heads. They are not sitting around praying someone spy their alliance so they can attack somebody on the other side of the treaty web. They actually just prefer to be left alone (anathema, I know). So while many may be sitting around burning as much mental energy as possible trying to figure out how to spark the next great war*, they aren't. The alliance typically does not fight unless the offending alliance is practically begging them to fight with them (not because they can't, but because it's not what interests them, and legitimate opportunities for war come frequently enough for them). This is not such an occasion.
You want a war with FARK? Attack them. Don't beg them to attack someone else for your enjoyment. You look like an idiot.
[size="1"]*Judging by the discourse on OWF, it's surely enough mental energy that, if harnessed, you could toast bread ... lightly ... on one side ... maybe.[/size]
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This is a potentially fatal mistake for FARK. When an enemy gift wraps a CB for you and lays it on your doorstep without even needing an elaborate set up to trick them into it you really should take it.
You can bet that quite a few alliances would have taken it against them. Especially with their latest FA path of upgrading with Polar, antagonizing NoR/Mj and all their SF ties with all the bad blood they've built up. -
[quote name='Crymson' timestamp='1312300040' post='2770096']
No thanks to Xiphosis, who genuinely attempted to convince FARK into starting a war over the issue.
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If Xiphosis actually did try to get FARK to respond to the attack by high NG gov on their alliance, more power to him.
Otherwise it looks like more hand holding and singing kumbaya around the campfire for the mega-blocs. -
Sad that because everyone has to be friends, probably lest Pacifica rise again, that FARK allows their member to be spied by a high ranking NG offical.
As for the Cynic stuff, meh. Glory in the casualties, and definitely fight back. -
[quote name='Chalaskan' timestamp='1312162366' post='2768732']
I think I had $2b during Bi-polar and went through 1.5B of it after 2 months of war, don't remember how long the war lasted. That was at around 70K NS. 900M lasting 6 months at that range would be quite a feat.
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What in the world did you spend your money on?? I fought from the first of Feb til late May the last war starting at about 95K ns and never approached spending that kind of money. That was re-buying all military daily, as well as infra, spy ops, getting money spied from me, sending out millions in aid etc. I would also re-buy up to 2500-3000 infra to take on 6-8k infra nations as the war wore on. -
The laws of the planet favor those with the big tech/WRC advantage too much. As has been pointed out, FARK has a big advantage there. Unless they just simply didn't fight the advantage they hold with the number of nations with 5 digit tech, then in the 6000-9000 tech range is too much for any individual alliance sans Umbrella to overcome in a 1 vs 1 setting.
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A few giant nations joined in for what, a week or two? That made things closer to even in the top tiers. Over a protracted war superior tech will win out. FARK has that.
I am also reasonably sure, as much as I love them, that NEW were the ones who surrendered that war. -
[quote name='Vanilla Napalm' timestamp='1311775989' post='2765212']
GPA or Sparta would annihilate TOP too from that perspective.
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FARK is much more prepared for war than GPA, who don't fight, and Sparta from a tech perspective. Believe me, having experienced fighting on the smaller side vs nations with big tech advantages, no amount of war chest or activity will over come that.
TOP's upper tier would be decimated and relegated to trying to fight FARK's mid tier. Umbrella has the only upper tier in the game that is large enough to take on FARK's 1 vs 1. -
[quote name='Dochartaigh' timestamp='1311728386' post='2764532']
Well, not sure about WCs, but just going from NS, it appears that Fark actually holds a fairly good edge. For example, Fark has a nation over 160k which TOP does not. Fark also has 12 nations over 120k NS whereas TOP only has 6. TOP has a total of 19 nations over 100k and Fark also has 34 over 100k NS. TOP has 7 nations between 90k NS and 99,999 NS. Fark has 13 in that same range. TOP has 17 nations between 80k and 89,999 NS. Fark has 24 in that same range. So overall, it appears FARK has a 2 to 1 odds in their favor at least for 80k NS and above.
Not sure exactly how TOP is dominating that fight.....
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FARK has a huge tech advantage over TOP. Not that there would ever be a 1 vs 1 fight between the alliances, but FARK would be pretty tough to handle for any alliance 1 vs 1. It would quickly turn into TOP trying to harass the middle tier of FARK. -
[quote name='mattski133' timestamp='1311510620' post='2762714']
So, the treaty makes sense, for XX's military purposes. I think it sort of angles the whole TOP-MK and to a degree, PB, cluster away from XX and SF, though. And by sort of I mean, definitely.
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Really? Unless there is a whole lot of cancelling in the future, XX and SF are pretty treaty tied to PB. Certainly much moreso than TOP is tied to PB. -
[quote name='Micheal Malone' timestamp='1311415668' post='2762016']
The way I read those logs, they DIDN'T come to us. Tetris came to us. At least I'm fairly sure that's what Tetris stands for...
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Tetris came to you informing that they were protecting TAA. I imagine that's why your gov is offering reps for your raid. -
They were protected and NG knew it. Tetris GOV informed NG Gov they would be protecting. NG raided anyway.
That pretty much how it went? -
How long again til the NPO/DH forced treaty ends?
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[quote name='Alterego' timestamp='1311028866' post='2758744']
Franco style might makes right is why you got squashed twice. Franco style might makes right is why people are unwilling to trust you even today. The reason people dont get dogpiled 10 to 1 or more anymore and the reason there isnt some poor alliance getting isolated and bashed every couple of months for next to nothing is might makes right was proven to be a stupid way to run you're foreign affairs. I said its xenophobia because your ideology sees anyone outside youre alliance as something to be used or dominated, something inferior to NPO. I think its you living under a rock and it looks like youve learned nothing from the last two kickings. Perhaps it will be third time lucky.
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Wow??? What Planet Bob have you been living on??
People got dogpiled like crazy the last big war, the war before that, the one before that, Karma etc. That hasn't changed one iota. Have you been reading the forums?? Right now Legion, Polaris, and NPO all get isolated and bashed constantly. So do several others to some extent, both large and small. -
[quote name='Azaghul' timestamp='1310881026' post='2757637']
You might want to adjust your sarcasm detector
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Judging by Steve's posts in any thread remotely related to NPO and most that aren't, I doubt that he was being anything less than serious. -
[quote name='Micheal Malone' timestamp='1311052198' post='2759013']
Could you point me to where I've been bragging? Perhaps the only post that could be considered bragging is after the peace offer showing damage done/received and the jab at his CM's landing.
I'm sorry boys and girls, it was wrong of me to poke fun at the kitty with the big roar and tiny bite.
Edit: Also, sup wicked!
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That was plenty considering your nation is exceptionally extremely ill equipped for war and you managed to get in two rounds of sucker punches before peace was declared.
I would personally be terribly embarrassed by that war chest and that spy count. It was Legionesque. -
[quote name='Sakura' timestamp='1311052540' post='2759015']
Lets not forget the little detail of anarchy lasting for several days after the end of the war....
Actually... you can. Its just, very *very* rare. (How a CM could have missed *him* I can only attribute to an act of god. Or simply a lack of things that hadn't yet been broken to hit.)
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I've never saw one fail, but you do have the odd CM that will only do about 1.11 infra and .11 tech damage. Or at least I have had a few of those in my time warring here.
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[quote name='Steve Buscemi' timestamp='1312583002' post='2772896']
That's besides the point of my question, but Fark chose the smart option. I'm sure they wanted to roll us. But attack PB directly and you would have probably had PB/DH/Mj/DR/PF breathing down your throats. Worse. Case. Scenario.
So the questions still remain.
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You really think it would have played out that way with the clear CB with NG as the aggressor?
Is the hatred for FARK of all alliances that strong? So strong that PB etc would ignore all the treaty ties to XX and FARK?
I know SF isn't the popular kid now that they've been used to secure Heg status for MK and company and are no longer needed, but I didn't know it extended all the way to FARK.