Bergerland

[quote name='Sulmar' timestamp='1300059748' post='2663484'] I'm confused. Are there reps or not? From the looks of it the "Victorious Alliances" can basically just say send me tech whenever they want to. Also, there is no apparent end to that section of the terms either. [/quote] What are you talking about? It ends when the no aid clause ends and the tech deals are completely voluntary, not mandatory.

This "No white peace?" complaining needs to stop. When you sign treaties you make a choice. You're lending another alliance a certain degree of power and you should be, at least partially, responsible for their actions. People here endlessly complain about the treaty web, yet it wouldn't be so tangled if defending an ally had consequences. Not only that, but this moronic attachment to "always white peace" serves as no deterrent to continuing the conflict. An alliance who is doing damage and taking damage would be mad to surrender when they know they're going to get an offer of white peace down the road. And with no real consequences defending your ally is more routine than it is honorable. Something shouldn't be deemed worthy of high praise when it becomes par for the course. This isn't kindergarten, sometimes there needs to be a loser.

[quote name='Kindom of Goon' timestamp='1299881981' post='2660411'] Probably the most well balanced, competitive war I've been involved in. So yeah it was fun. Glad I won't have Cornelius bothering me anymore though. [/quote] Next time he does that have the entire alliance spam him CORNBALL CORNBALL YELLOW FLOWBALL messages daily. Trust me. [b]TRUST ME.[/b] Also, congrats on peace everybody.

Somebody should be ashamed. Good luck Poison Clan and I'm sure you'll get everything sorted out.

Goldie is a n00b.

Anybody that voted for Yankeefan should feel ashamed. Voting for him is like voting Derek Jeter for a gold glove.

31 aid slots of reparations after two offers of white peace is hardly harsh. Also, on the nature and purpose of reparations: I don't think they're necessarily to repair the damage done but to help aid your own alliance's rebuilding, if by a bit, and make your opponent's rebuilding slower, if by a bit. It might not be a ton of difference(excluding reparations at the center of a conflict as those usually have, in the past, made a fair bit of difference), but could easily make a difference and give your own alliance an advantage. As well, with as many nations Misfits have in the lower NS ranges I'm sure that the cash reps will help. Congrats on the peace Misfits and I hope KoH enjoys the peace as well as the seem like pretty chill folks.

[quote name='D34th' timestamp='1298777186' post='2645799'] VE member doing "NO U" posts, how surprising! [/quote] I'm amused that you have a problem with my post when it's essentially your own post. You might want to rethink things.

Polar members showing their ignorance as usual... I can make vague passive-aggressive statements too! It's so fun!

I don't think most of us have a problem with you taking out some of our lower level trash or ghosts. Also, yeah, you have had a net gain of 5 nations over the course of the war but how many of those have been there the entire time? You have 77 nations who have joined your AA in the past 30 days. I'm sure some of those are nations who changed AA to try and slip to peace, but all 77 of those? Come on.

[quote name='Moridin' timestamp='1298524894' post='2643563'] So we've still got 400k infra waiting for you guys to come get it. Not sure what the hold-up is. [/quote] Maybe I need to elaborate. Or possibly you're just being obtuse. Your median infra level is less than 1000. A good deal of your nations are buying back to 1000 every day so they can buy and launch their nukes. Currently there are 49 nations wearing your AA that are within 100 infra of 1000 in either direction. Unless we run them out of their warchests, which we are currently in the process of, that's infra that's just going to get bought back every time it's destroyed. That combined with how much infra you have in peace mode kind of limits the noticeable damage we're going to do. But then again here I am talking about the realities of the situation on the OWF. Silly me.

[quote name='Moridin' timestamp='1298523791' post='2643543'] Our average nation still has 1500 infra. Try again. [/quote] Our average nation has 2600 infra. Our median infra level is 1433. Both are more than your already stated average and median infra level of 819. Also, your top 13 nations sitting in peacemode currently have ~26% of your total infra and that doesn't include other nations with a sizeable infra level also sitting in peace. Take those 13 nations out and your average infra level drops by 400. Note that this isn't a peacemode joke(You guys have actually been cycling your nations out unlike other fronts), but simply stating that a good deal of your infra in untouchable at the current moment.

[quote name='Moridin' timestamp='1298523290' post='2643530'] Second, comments about military prowess are laughable coming from the alliance which has held the #1 losing spot for the past week despite having strength in numbers firmly on its side. Hell, we aren't even in the top 5 alliance losses anymore. [/quote] You see, our nations actually have infrastructure to lose, unlike yours. It's why we're up there.

[quote name='Haflinger' timestamp='1298350253' post='2641402'] Santa's right, you guys are thoroughly misreading him, and it's because of guys like him that I love my alliance. [/quote] We're not misreading him. He's complaining about people who don't pay alot of attention to the politics getting dragged into the ramifications of the politics. If they don't like how their leaders are handling the politics they can join another alliance. If they don't like politics they can join GPA or WTF or TDO. They have avenues to fix what they don't like about the game and it's not those who take part in the political game's fault that they don't take them.

If nations don't like war they should join a neutral alliance. It's that simple.

Smooth isn't going to like this one bit.

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1296322151' post='2609605'] For a week we were ready to go attack the heathen Viridians [/quote] Pretty sure most of us Viridians would be extremely happy to see that DoW, treaty or not.

[quote name='caleb ryals' timestamp='1296320761' post='2609584'] -snip- [/quote] I'm going to have fun rolling you

You are, in fact a terrible alliance. My THREE wars against Polar nations really were a piece of cake. Next time, before I declare on them, you should teach them how to fight. KKTHXBB

[quote name='D34th' timestamp='1295881390' post='2596582'] Do you also find it hilarious that Umbrella, a blocmate of your Alliance, requested Sparta to attack an ally of VE? Are you also laughing about that? [/quote] Your reading comprehension is terrible. I find the flip flopping of everybody hilarious not the fact that NV was hit.

I find it hilarious that a very many people have shown distaste for treaty chains and have said alliances should just up and declare war, but when it actually happens the vast majority of the thread is incessant whining.

[quote name='William Blake' timestamp='1295745528' post='2592677'] Shoutout to Gaeta from VE. One of these days I'll actually be able to rebuy before you get those attacks off, instead of always being seconds late. [/quote] So what you're saying is that you only catch a glimpse of a [i]shadow[/i] when he attacks? (Yes, to everybody who got that, I acknowledge it was terrible and I should feel terrible.)

[quote name='D34th' timestamp='1295711642' post='2591960'] Read the red letters above and see why he said that spy VE or MK would make more sense. VE would have used the follow CB: State the obvious is unacceptable thus we declare war on New Polar Order. [/quote] I'm not debating that spying on VE would make more sense and if you read what I wrote maybe you'd have gotten that. I'll state it again, in different words, for your benefit. He had an objection to spying on MHA for two reasons: 1.) It would be worthless and 2.) they're not the enemy. Why would he specifically state MHA is not the enemy when it had no bearing on deciding who to spy upon? And to further build upon that, if he did have an objection to spying on MHA because they're not the enemy, and he also doesn't consider VE an enemy, why would he suggest VE as a target?

[quote name='Fallen Fool' timestamp='1295687993' post='2591629'] Dajobo never called you the enemy. He actually specifically said we had no issues with you, but that you seemed to have issues with us. [/quote] While he never stated it outright it was quite implied. [QUOTE]20:33 Chancy I should spy on MHA 20:33 Chancy Just to make them mad 20:33 Dajobo|NpO| nah they aren't the enemy 20:34 Dajobo|NpO| pick domeone worth spying on 20:35 Chancy Give me suggestions 20:36 Dajobo|NpO| VE or MK are the two who are heavily involved in world politics 20:36 Dajobo|NpO| anything that happens will come through them first[/QUOTE] Lennox states that he should spy on MHA and Dajobo says that he shouldn't because "they aren't the enemy." After that he suggests that VE or MK would make better targets. Why would he oppose going to spy on MHA and explicitly state that they're not the enemy and then come back with VE as a suggestion if he had the same objection with VE?

I do love me some wF buddies. o/ Panada Cavalry