Ivan Moldavi

[quote name='Voytek' timestamp='1289311276' post='2507963'] It's called goodwill CRex. Whatever desire we might have had to come to a reasonable settlement with them ended the moment they decided to get nasty. I'm sure there's a metaphor to be made here that would illustrate the situation but I can't be bothered coming up with one There's nothing wrong with doing it as long as you don't care about the reaction you might get from the other person. [/quote] Except that you are wrong. MK spoke with two members of government and were told that the nation was not a member and that NSO would not be paying their demands. They then went to RV after refusing to negotiate and demanded the same thing without options. That isn't a negotiation by any definition. RV had already read the transcript of the previous conversation when entering the logged talks so he was aware of the MK position from the start. Plus, thanks for noticing that I never bother with the subtle crap. Too little straight talk here these days for my tastes.

[quote name='ArneS' timestamp='1289310815' post='2507955'] Although I think the reps initially asked by MK were too high and could have been handled better, the way NSO handled this afterwards warrants MK's response. NSO accepted to pay the reps, and didn't even try to negotiate them down, apparently just to use it as a PR tool against MK, and even canceled the offered reps (which they had agreed to pay!) when they thought they had enough support to do that, instead of just trying to solve in a way any other alliance would have done. [/quote] You are correct. NSO did agree to pay the amount demanded of them. I do not believe the actions of NSO however dictate MK's response, unless you are suggesting that the NSO has indirect (or direct) control over the kingdom's leadership?

I blame Doppelganger. And Mussolandia.

[quote name='Seerow' timestamp='1289288533' post='2507688'] For sure, each of those people lost about 10 million in back collects.... 50mil lost to gain 15mil+250 tech, definitely not very profitable. It's kind of you to think about the real victims in this story, which everyone else seems to be ignoring in favor of the politics. [/quote] Shouldn't your Minister of Trades have found a temporary placement for the circle? I believe someone found one within MK in about 30 seconds on the other thread. I commented then that you guys should have kept that LUEnited Nations Minister of Trade. I hear he is a wiz at nation building.

[quote name='TheNeverender' timestamp='1289288250' post='2507674'] This assessment is far more accurate than your previous. [/quote] I wasn't aware that I had made any other assessment.

[quote name='pezstar' timestamp='1289288211' post='2507673'] This is not true. I had a long chat with Archon this evening. This didn't happen at all. Not even a little bit. [/quote] It is simply what was stated to me as "justification" for the NSO deciding to bend over and take it the instant this was posted.

Can we get the NSO government types to stop commenting on how Archon came in and saved MK? All that happened was he popped up and you caved, plain and simple. Instead of just sticking to what was said in the other thread you decided that you didn't want to face the idea of MK possibly attacking and paid. For better or worse, that is what happened. I personally don't think they would have attacked. I believe the bad press was already to the breaking point, which is why they had to bother with this to begin with, and I don't think a full scale assault would have been warranted or tolerated by the community, even against the NSO. And it would have cost MK precious influence, which is worth a lot more than NS when push comes to shove. They bluffed and you bought it, hook, line and sinker.

[quote name='Seerow' timestamp='1289287860' post='2507654'] You're right, that was a pretty long time ago. I'm just saying. Imagine it: Ivan Moldavi-with sharks! [/quote] Do they have lasers on their heads?

[quote name='Seerow' timestamp='1289287693' post='2507645'] You should honestly join PPF. It would be a great fit. [/quote] Remember when I cared about your opinion? Nope, I don't either.

I still think the NSO should have told you to shove it up your ass. But that's just me evidently. Maybe I should just be my own alliance.

[quote name='jeff barr' timestamp='1289287016' post='2507614'] NSO knows they like to stretch the limit beyond reasonable levels, and I really don't see exactly what differentiates this from when members of NSO leave the AA to fight a moral crusade/political stunt and then are immediately accepted back after their "deeds" are done. If they want to act like dicks, they should accept the repercussions when people respond in turn. Smokescreen all you want, NSO. Opportunism or ease perhaps, You take it for granted how lenient alliances are towards you. If you want people to respect you, you should to respect other alliances. lern2diplomacy RV, Jesus son. With the amount of blunders NSO has had of late, I am surprised moldavi hasn't tried to found another alliance yet. [/quote] I'm busy.

[quote name='delendum' timestamp='1289286451' post='2507582'] I confess, it was me. [/quote] Screenshot of the report or it didn't happen.

[quote name='Dajobo' timestamp='1289286025' post='2507564'] Frankly I'm amazed. The CB would have been "For telling the public what we did and not paying our fine". [/quote] It is my understanding that Archon got on IRC and told Polar and STA to back down on their rhetoric so that he could inform the NSO that they would definitively be standing alone if they refused. At least that is what I have heard from various corners.

Son of a !@#$%*.

If Rebel Virginia were the Emperor of the New Sith Order and held final say in all such issues then you would have a point. But he has a boss.

[quote name='MNNorthStars' timestamp='1289280682' post='2507357'] "posts made by low-level members of an alliance should be taken at face value as official policy" - xXxsmokezbudz420xXx, 2010 [/quote] Well, evidently according to MK trades made by low-level members (or ghosts, whichever) of an alliance should be considered the responsibility of the alliance as a whole so I fail to see your point. Especially since several of your allies have tried to somehow establish that this was all a plot by the nefarious NSO to scam MK out of $3mil.

[quote name='Lord Strider' timestamp='1289279765' post='2507337'] Maybe you should $%&@ off and post something relevant. [/quote] This made me laugh. How was me suggesting that you perhaps wait until you hear from your government before continuing to post drivel irrelevant?

[quote name='Lord Strider' timestamp='1289279499' post='2507330'] Seeing this gaggle of people that have trouble reading and jump to conclusions makes me come out. I find it funny that so many people are making a big deal out of 5 aid slots. If I was any smarter I would think that NSO is trying to bait us into war, which is beyond me as to why. The last PR stunt they tried to pull didn't work out to well either. Cheers to going from a 3 million dollar war to a 15 million dollar war. Can we cut the crap and stop acting like teenage boys. [/quote] Maybe you should wait until you at least see the official line from your king before going too far up your own ass?

[quote name='o ya baby' timestamp='1289278894' post='2507316'] that's where you're wrong. you don't come in stating your opinion as a "member of that alliance", you come in with that condescending tone of "I AM IVAN MOLDAVI AND I MATTER!!!" i mean, if everyone who doesn't have their nose where the sun don't shine says it, hey, maybe there's some truth behind it. you don't matter brah! trust me, you aren't the only person in the world i've ever told this to, and trust me, you are no different than anyone else. you're still irrelevant. sry. lmfao, oh yes, i don't have this MAGICAL IT that you have on my posts. dangit, if only i was as cool and zingy as you are. Zesty Italian Dressing is what you are man. you sure do bring the show. you come in your minivans, convertables, station wagons, whatever is hip to roll in and you sure do lay it down like it IS... because that's who you are. the SHOW STEALER. lmfao dude get over yourself this is actually pathetic [/quote] Really? Please point out at any point prior to someone attacking me personally and directly where I demanded any sort of "recognition" or made any sort of claim to relevance or authority. You can't. Which invalidates the rest of your post. And you are correct, it is actually pathetic. Perhaps you could have someone assist you in editing your posts before you put them up? I am embarrassed for you.

[quote name='Delta1212' timestamp='1289278834' post='2507314'] Also, could the nations in question not simply have gotten a temp to collect with? It's not exactly difficult if you care that much about collecting without trades. Especially on Aqua. I'd imagine being in MK makes it even easier, in fact. [/quote] I think I know where you are trying to go with your quote but taking a response and fitting it into the equation is a logical fallacy since the equation mandates the irrelevant comment as the primary statement, not a responsive act. Good try though. Also, you should know better. There is a difference between well thought out political debate, which you and I have shared, and the useless drivel that I am commenting on in that post.

[quote name='Cortath' timestamp='1289278444' post='2507305'] I'd think you'd care about this in that it says something pretty profound about the state of the government of the Mushroom Kingdom. This situation is easily resolvable and it's within their power to resolve it. They just have to decide if the negative PR is worth the 15M that was never really rightfully theirs to demand (or "negotiate"). That they have not resolved it speaks volumes either of their current view of the world or the effectiveness and makeup of their government. [edit for typos] [/quote] Well, from what the Emperor of the NSO said just a little while ago, MK has been paid in full with $3mil and 50 tech. So I guess the government of MK has decided that is sufficient.

[quote name='o ya baby' timestamp='1289278030' post='2507298'] you're acknowledging it, so obviously i am doing something right. psssst. here is where you're supposed to ignore everything i say so my point doesn't stand. [/quote] Actually, no. You have that backwards. Let me explain it to you since you seem to have some difficulty with normal debate discourse. 1. I comment on a thread, just stating my opinion as a regular member of one of the involved alliances. 2. Random person #1 pops up and says something to the effect of "It's Ivan Moldavi - you are irrelevant." 3. I point out that even stating something like this belies the error of the juxtaposition simply because if it were true it wouldn't ever need to be said. And so forth. This happens several times until someone like you can't get the hint and has to be told. Check around, this happens regularly when I post. And yet, for some odd reason when I start posting views on threads jump and post times increase and debate and banter increases almost without fail in every circumstance. People that hate my guts on an IC level comment on how it is good to see my postings and how they are glad I am still around. And people that only want to be one of "those guys" that gets a zinger in on Ivan Moldavi post drivel like yours. But sure, I am irrelevant. I don't come here claiming to be relevant or claiming any authority or power. I just come and I post. But feel free to continue to point out my irrelevancy. The bottom line is, I bring the show. I know it because I have always been one of the best at it, even when I don't have the guns. Just because you and those like you will never have it you think you can perhaps gain something of my collective charisma and "shine" by being one of "those guys". Good job.

[quote name='o ya baby' timestamp='1289277836' post='2507293'] i'm sorry, but if you look at the recent entries into this here discussion, you'll notice i am down-talking to many-a-nobody. you're including in this. it just so happens that my responses to you can be about you trying to appear as if you are something more than you are not, because ... well, that's what washed up people do! don't feel special, i promise that you fell off the face of the planet a long, long time ago and people like me are here to remind you. [img]http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/174/trollface.png[/img] [/quote] Like I said, see my post immediately before yours. You really are bad at this.

[quote name='o ya baby' timestamp='1289277656' post='2507287'] i'm just responding to stupidity with sarcasm. it's a pretty common practice [/quote] You don't do it very well. I would suggest you stop. Just a friendly suggestion from someone that actually does do it well.

[quote name='o ya baby' timestamp='1289276869' post='2507260'] oh that's cute, we have pictures for you too! [img]http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/business/consuminginterests/blog/expiredyogurt.jpg[/img] [/quote] Really? That's the best you can do? How many times do random nobodies like yourself have to go through this lame routine? Yes, I am irrelevant. That is why you and people like you go out of your way anytime I bother to show up to point it out, because I am completely irrelevant. Makes perfect sense. Please, continue.