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[quote name='blueski' timestamp='1301440524' post='2680222'] Well, I find Panfilo getting what he deserved interesting. Different strokes eh? [/quote] I think that is the point he was making, regardless of what side you are on in this discussion, the fact that this discussion is going on has added some sort of value. Therefore, panfolio did offer something to the game. Again, I think that is what he was saying.

Not everyone follows the politics of the game and knows the repercussions of surrendering quickly. By repercussions I mean to their reputation. Though, I would NEVER have POW and surrender individually, I also don't condemn those that do. You can call it cowardly all you want, but for some nations, it is the smart, right thing to do. You don't know the situation, Maybe he was going to be inactive and instead of just get destroyed, he decided to surrender so he could fight another time when he was going to be active. Maybe he was just a noob when it comes to politics and war, and didn't realize that surrendering would have a negative impact on his reputation. From previous posts of his in this thread and other threads, it sounds like he has just recently started learning about the politics of the game. he appears to have put in a lot of effort to learn how politics work so he can run his alliance successfully. Can we put the past behind us now, and congratulate them on their official existence thread? If not, you shouldn't post in this thread at all. Again, say Congrats to DOG and I wish you guys the best of luck building your alliance.

Don't really care

[quote name='wickedj' timestamp='1301403944' post='2679905'] I had to stop right here. I truthfully couldn't care less about some coward whos afraid of war but nobody is PZI'ing the dude. it was a simple take your licks and move on. Losing some infra, unless your THAT tragic of an infra hugger, doesnt mean jack. if he wants to ragequit over this, then well have fun with that [/quote] The reason nobody is PZI the dude is probably because athens (If I am not mistaken) is a signatory of the ZI PEACE PACT. Well that and PZI is just wrong.

[quote name='Hereno' timestamp='1301401334' post='2679887'] Anyone who would delete a 2+ year old nation because they're getting a single ZI sentence has no sympathy from me. Especially when it's coming after 3 war desertions. [/quote] He probably didn't think it would stop there, can't say for sure though.

Congratulations!!!

[quote name='MutedFaith' timestamp='1301399698' post='2679866'] Once you're in gov it's no longer about your right to be in an alliance of your choice, but about your duties towards the general membership of the alliance you're (co-)leading. [/quote] Sorry to double post, but I saw this after. So, are you saying it would have made it better if he stepped down as gov, then left the alliance?

[quote name='itseZe' timestamp='1301370995' post='2679655'] Well if he really is leaving then there is no harm done, right? Athens gets what they wanted, and Panfilo gets what he wanted. Best solution for everyone. [/quote] he is leaving the game because of this 2 year grudge, so a better way to state it would be, the damage is already done, so no point in arguing it.

I understand your anger & Frustration over this, I really do. I just think after all this time has passed that you would be over it. Panfilo I am sure, (by looking at his nation) is leaving the game. So it is finally over, I hope after holding a grudge this long you guys finally got some relief out of this. I will say Panfilo, assured me that he wanted to rebuild his reputation. He assured me that he was going to Fight beside us if we needed him to. I also would like to add how funny it is that you didn't attack him while he was in TOP, but he joins a smaller alliance and it is not negotiable.

Congrats on 1 Year, Now onwards to 2

Good Luck DOG, I wish you guys the best and hope to see some milestone posts in the future.

So Sorry Bob, I wish you and your family the best. I Pray that everything turns out ok.

Sad to see a treaty cancelled, but I wish you both the best of luck in the future.

I do now, back then was a different time as I am sure you know. The game has changed since then. Also, as for the panfilo situation, nothing else said is going to change anything, so I am done with this.

According to you guys, what I did probably would warrant a zi. I wasn't going to explain my situation, but I might as well. I joined MK during the war, at a time when I didn't believe in first strike nukes. When I told them I would wait until I was nuked first before I nuked back, A couple MK members Called me names and acted very childish about the whole thing. Also, my alliance and I were allied to echelon & MK at the time. I was in the wrong then, I know it. I should have looked into how they operated before I changed my AA to MK. BUT, I changed my AA to MK during the war, held their AA for about 2 days. I was never really a member of theirs. As for Panfilo, I just disagree with chasing a player from the game. As I said before, I hope there is more to the story that I don't know about.

Well that is deserving of ZI, Even if that was his reason for leaving (which i don't think it was)I don't think Sentencing him to ZI would be considered "justice". I am done with this, at least for tonight.

So he didn't leave the alliance? That's not why he is on your ZI list?

Well they have not spoken with Panfilo as much as I have. I have gotten to know him, and know that he would be a great member & friend. Plus, I don't see how what he did deserves to get him ZI'ed. Also, I don't get how that is funny, care to explain??

So he left the alliance, therefore deserves to be Zi'ed I guess that's a good way to keep members from leaving.

Maybe I don't have the whole story, but it sounds to me that OVER A YEAR AGO, one of the founders (Panfilo) didn't agree with the direction you guys were going, so he left, and those that felt the same left with him. If I am wrong, please correct me. I am not being sarcastic, I really want to know what is so bad that you have to chase another long term player from the game.

JUSTICE, LOL... You make me laugh. This is part of what is ruining the game. We have half the number of members we use to have. This was so long ago, I actually had respect for Athens until I had to try to deal with you guys tonight, WHat a joke. Note: I hold no position in my alliance.

[quote name='Vegeta100' timestamp='1300751786' post='2672697'] ok now i am good but my i think my group is dead maybe i need to join a new alliance [/quote] Well if you need to join another alliance go unaligned, I would suggest going into peace mode for a few days while you sift through the alliance offers you get so you don't get attacked.

Good luck TPC

I wish you the best of luck, Hopefully you enjoy it as much or more than you do TE!

Sad to see an alliance end, I wish your members the best of luck in the future.