King DrunkWino

May Billy be avenged.

[quote name='Sooner' date='03 February 2010 - 12:24 AM' timestamp='1265174685' post='2155024'] Best of luck, GGA. You're going to need it. I see your odds of surviving as being 12873587417623479873918734878 to 1. But don't quote me on that. [/quote] Oh wait, you asked me not to quote you on that. Sowwy.

[quote name='astronaut jones' date='02 February 2010 - 11:14 PM' timestamp='1265170493' post='2154477'] And did he? [/quote] If someone overcomes the anatomical issues involved, I would really like to know. I put the answer to that as high up on the humankind "stuff to figure out," list as such questions as "are we alone in the universe," "where did we come from," and "is there any way to make tacos rule more."

[quote name='Bob Janova' date='02 February 2010 - 06:25 PM' timestamp='1265153138' post='2154054'] Not when you bring 'honouring treaties' into the argument, no. Personally, as soon as FOK turned it into a coalition war I would consider anyone on the other side to be fair game for someone on this side (whichever you consider 'this' and 'the other'), but then you have no leg to stand on complaining about Polar re-entering on the Polar side. [/quote] Bobbles, I ain't complaining about Polar re-entering, so I don't know what your on about.

[quote name='mpol777' date='02 February 2010 - 06:47 PM' timestamp='1265154427' post='2154112'] Enjoy it? It's my mission. [/quote] I always knew there was a reason I liked your crazy drunk frackin' self.

[quote name='Bob Janova' date='02 February 2010 - 06:14 PM' timestamp='1265152447' post='2154028'] Polar 'knowingly aligned against' one of SF's allies, yes (\m/) – after talking to the SF alliance which was allied to them. As for 'honouring defensive treaties', as I pointed out [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?app=blog&module=display&section=blog&blogid=20&showentry=1116]here[/url] at least 3 chains of entry (FOK, Stickmen and LEO) and probably 4 (SF) were not obligatory. SF chose to be on the opposite side to Polar right at the start and nothing since then has changed the fact that they (including GOD) chose to be on the opposite side, not Polar. [/quote] For one, don't you think it's high time to throw the legalistic viewpoints about this war out of the door? Second, if you wanted to follow the legalistic approach, the minute R&R was committed to battle, so were the SuperFriends. The second one is involved in a brawl, they are all involved in that brawl via aid, diplomatic help, or flat out military support. SF didn't chose one side or the other. In this war sides chose their participants. /'cept TOP and IRON, they willingly chose to dance with CnG

[quote name='Gopherbashi' date='02 February 2010 - 06:02 PM' timestamp='1265151760' post='2154005'] Buy? Are you offering payment for my stats programs? And all this time I've just been doing it for free. [/quote] Me, you, a paypal account and... ...oh wait, we're gonna have to cut Admin in on a nice chunk or he's liable to rain b& on us from the skies.

[quote name='Shodemofi' date='02 February 2010 - 05:57 PM' timestamp='1265151455' post='2153990'] It's certainly the most exciting war ever. [/quote] Yeah, you need a program just to tell the sides apart, then you need to buy a new one daily because those sides are probably radically different.

Schat-man? Tell which of the following is more likely: Polar signed a treaty with MK while secretly hating them and wanting them to burn. OR A series of missteps and a convoluted treaty web brought Polar to this spot in this point in time. I'm a fan of ooccam's razor myself since it's easy to use and gives a nice close shave, so I'm gonna roll with option B for now.

Whether or not someone thinks this war is fun depends completely on how much they tend to enjoy rather ridiculous insanity. Now, it has potential to be even more fun once all the peace is sorted out. We've seen crap CB's, allies watching two or more friends fight each other, REALLY bad communication breakdowns, basically everything that can go wrong is going wrong. Maybe this is the Murphy Law War? Anyway, I really hope folks realize that this massive clusterfrack is due in no small part to a convoluted treaty web. It's been past time to burn that mother fracker to the ground and start again. Perhaps folks will actually do it.

AJ, you love me and you know it. I love you too you surly !@#$%^&. /and the next time you up and decide to roam, look me up.

Baby, you got it.

[quote name='Mussolandia' date='02 February 2010 - 03:44 PM' timestamp='1265143453' post='2153779'] To be honest, as far as I can tell, his reputation as a horrible, evil tyrant that will bleed people dry is not yet well deserved. Not to mention, it'll probably be more than one person making decisions about this front. [/quote] It's quite wrong I can assure you. Xi is a fairly easy person to understand so long as you keep one thing in mind. If you screw with a friend of his, he punches you in the face...hard...with a brick...multiple times.

[quote name='WCaesarD' date='02 February 2010 - 03:47 PM' timestamp='1265143669' post='2153793'] I think we can all agree thath that was a silly thing to say. [/quote] I was thinking a much more expressive adjective myself.

[quote name='Roadie' date='02 February 2010 - 03:43 PM' timestamp='1265143431' post='2153778'] I'm not so sure the proof is in the now, or perhaps the proof in the now is proof of something else. While some of the decisions Polar made leading up to this mess are not the ones most of us would have made, what would you do after you got NSO into this mess? I think if I had made the series of decisions that lead to one of my allies getting absolutely cornholed by a coalition that included most of my other allies, I wouldn't have to give what I do next a second thought. If I couldn't get them peace, I'd have to join them in the slaughterhouse. Same goes for if it was my other allies that got reamed as a result of my actions. If it were the MK getting killed, I'd go in with them. [/quote] I don't think this is about joining anyone in the slaugtherhouse. I honestly think this declaration is a part of the process Polar is following to get peace for the Sith. They might have thought the process was taking too long and honestly didn't feel right having the Sith continue to pound and get pounded on, so Admiral Dewey parks his battleships in the harbor and *suggests* that they all might want to have another little talk about whats what.

[quote name='WarriorConcept' date='02 February 2010 - 03:31 PM' timestamp='1265142669' post='2153761'] Fair enough. I am just wondering what terms NSO are willing to accept and that they're not too crazy that NpO will be forced to stay in too long. I really wish that front would just end. [/quote] In that, I believe both sides of this front probably want the same. I imagine both sides are still looking at each other wondering why the frack their fighting in the first place. As for terms, c'mon man. This whole shindig started because of treaty obligations. I hope they just flat out white peace it. /and I know how much Farkers love their beer clause, but c'mon. The NSO already said they find that to be a bit humiliating (for lack of a better word.) Let it go.

Hey guys, let's leave the CN X-Files and cheering for our side to the multitude of other topics. About the last thing this is about is TOP.

[quote name='WarriorConcept' date='02 February 2010 - 03:21 PM' timestamp='1265142068' post='2153743'] Considering FARK's council never voted on not giving them peace, it looks likely that peace would have been obtained sooner rather than later. Using aggressive diplomacy is valid, but in the end it looks as if it will only make the war last longer than it would have had they not entered. As well I still haven't seen a good reason to attack GOD and not FARK, since it was FARK that was holding up the peace talks. [/quote] Maybe, maybe not. Another way to look at it is that everyone involved realizes what a clusterfrack this has become (and over IRON for pete's sake ,) and decides to clear their heads a bit and give it another go. Again, nobody has the ability to read what the other guy is gonna do, so you have to fill in the gaps with some intuition and do what you feel is right. That, of course, doesn't make it right to everyone else, it doesn't even make it completely right to the person (Polar in this case,) that makes the choice. At the end of the day though, it's still the path that must be walked.

[quote name='WarriorConcept' date='02 February 2010 - 03:12 PM' timestamp='1265141552' post='2153728'] I disagree, there was a gray area to choose in this particular situation. They could have contacted GOD before attacking them, instead of attacking GOD whom was helping NSO get peace. FARK was the one holding up peace, and NpO knows this, yet they attack GOD. That's possibly one of the worst ways to handle this situation. [/quote] You make a fair point about using diplomacy and it's quite correct. However, nobody has the foresight to know how that's going to play out. If you take the statements made about the NSO/FARK/GOD peace talks at face value, and right now there is no reason not to, I can very well see Polar examining the situation and realizing that while attempting diplomatic talks might work, it'd take a longer period of time than she thought necessary, all the while the combatants keep pounding on each other. It's kind of aggressive diplomacy that she plays right now. I hardly think that Polar/NSO/FARK/GOD aren't either talking or planning to talk about peace right now. However, by entering, Polar shows just how committed she is to getting this fandango done with.

[quote name='Ivan Moldavi' date='02 February 2010 - 03:03 PM' timestamp='1265140980' post='2153711'] I disagree. I don't think this has anything to do with Polar placing one ally above another. If RoK had come to the defense of Polar in another situation and that offending alliance had been an ally of NSO I would not be crying to Polar about honoring their treaty and supporting RoK. The same for MK or anyone else. I personally believe the lack of !@#$%*ing and moaning from the NSO side of this, and the abundant amount from the other side, has more to do with this that any favoritism. You people seem to forget that NSO was downgraded by Polar not so long ago. If we were of equal value to these others that are complaining then that most likely wouldn't have happened. I know for a fact that until these most recent events Polar placed a great deal of value in their relationship with RoK. Unfortunately wars sometimes don't go as planned. One of the hazards of having so many treaties. When the war is over perhaps some of those !@#$ting on Grub and Polar about standing up for a small alliance that is outnumbered instead of joining in a collosal gangbang can reflect on these events with a bit more level headedness and re-address the situation appropriately. [/quote] Ivan, you are one of my favorite leaders mainly because you typically skip the BS. In this case, though, I think you underestimate the value of the friendship between the Sith and Polar. The proof is in the now. Polar got backed into a corner and felt she had to chose. On one side was a friend of a close friend and on the other was another friend. Polar knew taking one side wouldn't exactly help the relationship with the other. Still, she made the tough choice and chose. Personally, I find no fault in that, and me being a pristine Jedi Master and you being a fitly Sith Lord should say something. Polar felt she had to get involved and had to make a tough choice. There was no right or wrong choice, no black, white or even gray area. There was just a choice to make and she made it.

[quote name='WarriorConcept' date='02 February 2010 - 02:56 PM' timestamp='1265140574' post='2153704'] You're acting as if I do. But yes technically in their treaty one side has to ask for help before it's given, much like in STA's treaty I assume. Seeing anyone e-lawyer their way out of helping is disgusting. [/quote] Heh, I snuck that little censored tirade to try and skip the e-lawyer mumbo jumbo that's sure to pop up. We're on the same point, but I don't think there are any technicalities involved. If you say "I got your back, period," then you're kinda honor-bound to follow through on that. And no, it doesn't have to be direct military assistance, there are things like diplomacy and aid rebuilding packages after all. But you have to do something, otherwise don't tell me jack frackin' !@#$ about how you drip honor from your pores. Edit to add moar: [quote name='Penkala' date='02 February 2010 - 02:56 PM' timestamp='1265140598' post='2153706'] So much value on NSO, in fact, that they're not only willing to support them after they entered in a gray ground of an MDP (attacking in "defense" of an ally who acted aggressively) but leave their ally who was pre-emptively attacked to burn. I just don't get it. [/quote] What's to get. You're CSN and I know you were RIA. That's a pair of SF alliances. Riddle me this, if any one of those alliances got in deep doo-doo, wouldn't ya think every other SF alliance would be going full out, other treaties be damned if necessary?

[quote name='WarriorConcept' date='02 February 2010 - 02:48 PM' timestamp='1265140086' post='2153686'] Will you defend MK if they ask? [/quote] Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the point of a mutual defense clause that neither side has to ASK for assistance in a war because the other party said in writing that they automatically extend assistance? /and I don't give a frackin' !@#$ on the [i]de facto[/i] state of Planet Bob and how treaties are interpreted lawyer style, so save that load of frackin' garbage.

[quote name='Ejayrazz' date='02 February 2010 - 02:34 PM' timestamp='1265139295' post='2153667'] That is the problem with people these days. (Not your or your post) You shouldn't have "Friends and best friends" in terms of treaties. Too many people sign too many treaties and begin choosing 'who is the better friend', which really makes them useless. [/quote] That's kind of the trick though. Folks get to know each other and decide their cool and sign a MDAP. That ain't right. When you sign something like that, the folks your signing it with had better be on that level of best butt buds. Folks just don't do that so much. The other thing is, when you sign a treaty with somebody, you're not only tying yourselves toghether, but you have to look at what it's gonna do to your friends and the other guys friends. THIS is the direct consequence of that tangled up monstrosity we call the treaty web. I can only hope enough folks in high places realize this and kill it with fire.

[quote name='Ejayrazz' date='02 February 2010 - 02:19 PM' timestamp='1265138365' post='2153635'] Hoo isn't as bad as some of you make him out to be, we're in a society where we'll cry. Then cry about crying. Then cry about the crying over the initial crying. This leads to obesity and excessive ice cream consumption on the couch watching something moronic like Titanic. Compared to some of the people some of you once mindlessly hailed, he is just another ordinary leader. Plus, he is easy to talk to, or at least, for me he his. [/quote] I agree. Hoo is one of the most chill dudes I've happened to run across in all of Planet Bob. If you honestly spend ten minutes talking to the dude and come away thinking he's some sort of !@#$%^&, you're trying too hard.

By now, those of us that have been trying to follow The Silly War (yes, I'm calling it that because it fits oh so well,) know that the New Polar Order is back in the game. This time Polar enters (re-enters, who the frack knows anymore,) to support her ally the New Sith Order. This, of course, put RoK in a tough spot because Polar went to war against GOD. First lesson: I started my CN life in the Random Insanity Alliance, a founder of the SuperFriends, so I can say this as 100% fact and 0% opinion. The SuperFriends bloc ALWAYS puts it's members before EVERYONE including their own selves. So, it's no surprise to see RoK cancel it's treaty with NpO. Sad maybe for all involved, but not surprising. Also, I don't see where anyone should either be surprised with Polar backing up the NSO here. I've never been in either alliance, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out those two alliances and the STA feel the same way about each other as the SuperFriends do. That ain't really the point though when you get down to it. Basically, I think everyone needs to thank the Grubster right now. I don't think for a second that he sat down and mapped out the course here, but he has taken center stage as being the guy most responsible for The Silly War kicking off. For that, I thank you Grub. Maybe I should be clear about it. War in CyberNations is fun time. Peace time in CN, eh not so much. I said it in my last blog entry so I won't go through the particulars again apart from saying that wartime in CN is the time where everyone tends to have the most fun. So for bringing fun time, I think all of us, no matter what side of The Silly War we find ourselves on owe Grub a hearty thanks and a round of applause. In fact, I think we should collectively create our own knock off of the Nobel Peace Prize called the CN War Prize and present it to Grub. Photoshoppers get working if you please. Oh, and before I go: I am going to hold you to that. I ain't a fan of deliberately crippling folks for participating in CN happy fun time just because they lost. You have publicly taken the load on your shoulders to seek a just peace. It might not be easy, I know. However, I do pledge this much (and if any Polar bear reads this, please pass it on to the Grubster,) I'm not one of the famous backdoor political players of this game. That doesn't mean I don't know people nor does it mean that I can't have a civil discussion with just about anyone involved. Therefore, as a (roleplaying anyway,) Master of The Jedi Order, should you require or just want my services to help mediate peace, I'll help. Not stoking my ego or nothing (really,) but I know the some of the folks you're fighting with on a friendly basis. I toss this out because I also would ideally want to see a flat out white peace. You pledged that you seek the same in your DoW on GOD. So, since we both would like to see the same thing... Well there ya go. Again, thanks to you Grub for bringing some fun and if you want an extra hand in the whole peace thingy, even though I'm not a big public dude or anything, I can help and I'd like to help. /Oh and folks, War is fun. Stop whining so much about this alliance or that and fracking ENJOY the happy fun time. Please?