King DrunkWino

The WHY of things is easy. There are a lot of kids that play CN. Even us older fogies are known to have a pre-pubescent slip every now and again.

Hell, half the time you don't even need to go ask. Basic logic can tell anyone what's gonna happen round here with a much better than average success rate.

Most of the time it's like that, sure. It's what most call a necessary evil that full disclosure must be sacrificed on the alter of OPSEC. Which is really dumb considering that OPSEC in CN is a joke to begin with. Now me, I find that I like the Athenian (the historic one, not the CN one,) idea of total democracy. Instead of trying to figure out what needs to be secret and what can get filtered out to the masses, I like the idea of complete and total disclosure. Tell 'em everything, show 'em the logs and your thought process that leads you to the decision you're about to make. Then listen to the membership. You never know who out there will bring up a good point or find a flaw in your thought process. Treat your members like valuable partners in an alliance instead of just the folks you give the orders to. /Yeah, I know that ideal most likely needs a smaller tight-nit alliance to begin with. But that's how we're rollin' over in The Jedi Order and I admit I'm getting spoiled by it.

[quote name='Manwe' date='04 February 2010 - 01:09 PM' timestamp='1265306952' post='2159060'] Nobody actually likes Texas. Even Texans secretly hate it. [/quote] A friend of my from Lubbock Tx told me this: The best thing to come out of Texas is the interstate. [quote name='Rebel Virginia' date='04 February 2010 - 01:31 PM' timestamp='1265308267' post='2159093'] [color="#0000FF"]Texas is the only state in the union that executed more criminals each year than my beloved Virginia. For that I envy you, and will say only that we have some catching up to do.[/color] [/quote] That's because our criminals get so scared that they either off themselves or flee to the much more merciful Texas legal system.

That's not a good thing in my opinion. If you are leading and your members are uneasy about where you're leading them to, then it's up to you to listen to what they have to say. Maybe they have good points and maybe they don't, but part of the job has to be getting your membership pulling the same way toward the same goal. Not telling them what's up, nah that just don't work for me so much.

Purposely concealing the truth in the hopes of tricking your alliance into doing what you want them to is lying. Plus, it's really kinda unneeded in most cases. Folks in an alliance should be aware of who their friends and allies are and should know from day one that as a member of an alliance, that player is expected to fight for those allies. The bottom line is that if you are in charge of an alliance, then you have a responsibility to do right by the people that call you boss. Bullcrapping them to get them to do something that's more in YOUR best interest than the best interest of ALL of your alliance isn't the mark of a leader. Alliancemates don't exist to be your personal army/meatshields after all.

How do you measure loyalty in a place where today's friend is tomorrow's enemy? Don't get bent out of shape over it. Just cause you're friendly with somebody and you end up on opposite sides really isn't that big deal. Unless, of course, they do something stupid to betray your trust, but that's something else. How do you measure friendship when, time and again, people and alliances are used for their power and influence alone? It's up to folks to not extend friendships to those that only seek to use them. Is that really a bad thing? From a game perspective, no. But it's still kinda !@#$%^ way to be. Eventually, if that's how you are, nobody's gonna trust you and you'll have no friends. Why is it acceptable to outright lie to your alliance membership and the public at large about everything? It shouldn't be. Alliances should consider it high treason when a guy in charge deliberately lies to the alliance. What do you do during war when you find both sides equally detestable for very different reasons? Mock them both. Point out their BS for everyone to see and make their own decision on.

[quote name='cctmsp13' date='04 February 2010 - 01:20 AM' timestamp='1265264402' post='2158388'] Rest assured, that as the new protectors of the RIA, the RIA will stand united with the RIA, who stands united with Sparta, who in turns stands united with awesome. [/quote] You will answer to me you tyrannous tyrant you.

[quote name='Star Gazing' date='04 February 2010 - 12:50 AM' timestamp='1265262641' post='2158236'] Go, my RIA. [/quote] Hands off lady. You remember the custody agreement. They're mine today. You get 'em tomorrow. /and you get me when you ask.

Bah, my favorite is still my old trusty "WINO SMASH!" /course, right about now I'd probably go with "Who Dat," or "Breesus Loves you."

[quote name='Xerxes II' date='04 February 2010 - 12:33 AM' timestamp='1265261587' post='2158104'] Most reasonable people would assume this would be a prime reason to seek peace by any means possible once the matter between CSN & STA was white peaced out. Failure to extract yourself from the conflict, therefore, lies upon yourself, never mind if the failure was due to Sith pride or just forgetfulness. [/quote] The world is truly a messed up place when a Jedi agrees too often with a Sith. Lucky for me Planet Bob is clearly in the bizzaro zone, so I don't feel bad about asking if a nuking in this war hasn't dislodged your brains a bit?

May the both of you enjoy yourselves greatly and when the time comes, may you be able to shake hands with respect and go your separate ways.

[quote name='James Dahl' date='04 February 2010 - 12:12 AM' timestamp='1265260350' post='2158062'] It's even worse than you realize, they infiltrated the highest levels of government! [/quote] They will all fall before my saber. You will be free once more.

I cannot abide the unjust and downright !@#$%* abuse of these terms against the good people of the RIA by those fracking !@#$%^&* in the RIA. Rest assured that after your teensy little TOOL thingymajig is done, I shall forment glorious rebellion against such a despotic regime as you now face. FEAR NOT Cupcake, Leo, Mothra, C-Zom, DTMB, and all my other friends, I shall rain hell upon those that trample you. /unless it's three for one taco day, then you might have to wait a bit.

Lemme ask you good folks something, regardless of where your particular alliance found itself in this big ole slobberknocker of a fight, ain't ya having some fun or what? Tell me you're not checking your alliance forums more, that your not logging in to your nation or lurking the forums more. Of course you're putting more effort into Cybernations right now because the world is a burning and it just happens to be fun as all get out. I mean, look at one of the biggest differences between this shindig and some (most,) of the other big time shindigs in Planet Bob history. Since I can't hear your answer, I'll lead you down the garden path here. All that OOC/borderline OOC bullpoopie, it's not here. No chasing down rerolls, no accusations of OOC idiocy, no /b/tards launching /b/tarded forum assaults, no screwing with a guy because of a real life issue, none of it. It's fracking beautiful people. A real clusterfrack of a war for all in-game reasons. I'm proud of everyone in a certain demented way. Good job. Now, I'd like to take this platform to holla at the leaders of the various alliances. When it comes time that this funball runs its course and it's time to shut 'er down, please for the love of everything DO NOT BE FRACKING ***HATS ABOUT IT! I know there may be an issue of vendetta between one dude here and this guy there, I know there might be some sort of peace term that your opponent finds not his alley, I fracking know all that. What I'm asking is that you take a deep breath and let that !@#$ go man. Those fracking vendettas have been poisoning this game for far too god **** long. Take a breath and realize that your personal problem with that guy over there isn't the problem of the players you lead. That's the definition of a mother fracking leader after all, to put personal issues on the backburner and do what is best for everyone involved. In short, it's time to grow up a bit and assume the mantle of leadership, real leadership. If you are one of those leaders and just read this, don't get mad at me. In fact, don't get mad at all. Just do what's right for the folks that call you boss. Now to close up (because my drugs that I washed down with some icy beers are *really* knocking me for a loop. If you *really* need details on why I'm taking meds, look me up on IRC,) I'd like to remind folks that last time I offered any help I might be able to provide to the NpO and Grub on seeking white peace to end this. Now that I thought about it (and am seriously lit the frack up,) it occurs to me that I really should extend that offer. So, to ANY alliance that is looking to end this war in WHITE PEACE and WHITE PEACE only, should you wish assistance, I will happily give you what help I can. /and as a side note: My great and awesome alliance, The Jedi Order, is currently in war against TOP and TSO. To folks from those two alliances, my $$$ is where my mouth is, when it comes time to pack it up, shake hands, and leave the dance that's ending, should our "side" emerge victorious, expect us at TJO to seek only white peace. Y'all take care and WHO DAT? The Archbishop of the Who Dat Nation, DrunkWino

I would like to purchase said adequate vacuuming systems. If it can drain a body of blood in such a short time, then...well...uh...yeah. So lemme know where to send the money to. u RIA

[quote name='Seerow' date='03 February 2010 - 02:45 AM' timestamp='1265183158' post='2156036'] We'll all die of alcohol poisoning before running out of liquor. I'm not afraid to spend millions out of my warchest on booze, are you? [/quote] Alcohol poisoning? You buncha damn rookies.

[quote name='elpadrino' date='03 February 2010 - 01:32 AM' timestamp='1265178758' post='2155802'] I like the STA and I understand their position, also good luck to them, but SuperGrievances is just one side right now and if you declare on TOP you are leaving SuperGrievances forces free to come to fight the other one (polar-NSO etc...) [/quote] Not really when you look at how the wars are rolling. You've got the SF/(part of the former) Frostbite shindig, then you've got the CnG/TOP and pals supershow. There's probably another one or two going, but let's be honest. There ain't nobody that can keep track of all this going on right now.

[quote name='elpadrino' date='03 February 2010 - 01:22 AM' timestamp='1265178149' post='2155744'] so we are at war with CSN defending you and you get peace with them and declare vs our side staying out would have being understable (I won´t leave a war if someone joinds to defend me and is not given peace too ...) but this ... Also I never thought that I would see you fighting against polaris [/quote] They aren't in the field across from Polaris. This war isn't one big action anymore, it's a convoluted series of separate wars that some strange way sprung up from one source. I'd be disappointed in the Sith if they weren't dancing merrily right now. After all, peace is a lie, no?

[quote name='Bad JuJu' date='03 February 2010 - 01:13 AM' timestamp='1265177585' post='2155691'] On a personal note, this is the first war for me in a long time that was just for fun, no strong feelings. That coupled with the sheer absurdity of the sides and the inability of pretty much anyone to say who is in each side makes me give it a 10 out of 10. [/quote] CN needs to be more like this more of the time. War? Hell yes. That petty crap that's been flowing with it needs to go though. I never really understood the whole legitimate hate factor that always seems to pop up. Plus, with all the new DoW's, I should would like to hear JR and The King doing play by play of this slobberknocker.

[quote name='TypoNinja' date='03 February 2010 - 12:59 AM' timestamp='1265176742' post='2155573'] I'm sorry, let me make it up to you, I'll buy you a beer. [/quote] Now yer talking me language boyo.

STA, you folks have such a good rep that you can end up changing sides in a war and have everyone give you props for it.

[quote name='TypoNinja' date='03 February 2010 - 12:50 AM' timestamp='1265176248' post='2155472'] Our MADP partner was attacked, if anyone expected anything different I suggest you lay off the sauce in the future. [/quote] I think I resent that.

Good hunting to our protectors and the best damn protectors a guy could ask for.

[quote name='NeuralLInk' date='03 February 2010 - 12:18 AM' timestamp='1265174329' post='2154931'] For those who wonder why this didn't show up five days ago,at IRON's request we delayed our entry. If you want to argue that we chickened out until we saw Polar going in, you may do so, but know that this action was planned days in advance and, well, that you're flat out wrong. [/quote] Why would you even bring it up? Congrats on opening that particular can of worms there boyos.