King Chill I

[quote name='Zoomzoomzoom' timestamp='1286202384' post='2474211'] Umb and Fok need lose some serious pounds. [/quote] Sorry but we are committed to our stat rich diet.

You guys are all blind if you cant see it. The obvious answer is UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER.

[IMG]http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss65/CNcomic/nsoparty.png[/IMG] wasn't going for artistic greatness but it does the job.

[quote name='Eternal Enigma' timestamp='1281308687' post='2404939'] show halloween NPO their plastic lightsabers cant save them now [/quote] (one sentence that says everything). /thread

I know this has been a tough process for MHA. You handled as well as anyone could have and did the right thing for your alliance. Unlike lebubu i think this was just the right moment to cancel. Not much you can help Gre with. They should have warchests to rebuild and image is something that the MHA shouldn't have to nurse and take a hit for Gre. And lol at all the NPO kids trollin MHA. At least next time around MHA won't even have the dilemma of whether to suicide over an idiotic ally or at least try to keep them from being piled on by people they didnt directly pull into a war started with no declaration and during peace negotiations. Yeah, MHA were the bad guys in the scenario.

I have never raided anyone in my CN career but I promise to raid anyone in range under this flaky AA.

I wish i were in raiding range.

The defense of karma is in the actions of alliances. Alliances are relatively free to do what they want (be it stupid jokes or serious political moves) without having to tip toe around. Unlike many i can mention, your own alliance hasnt been re-rolled a la FAN and thats already a huge step forward. The "you are as bad as us" argument was mindbogglingly stupid to start with and got old a year ago. You might have to go more subtle and sophisticated to manipulate the public cuz the current effort is lacking.

Hey look someone smart and responsible took charge.

LOL nice try Vlad. As much of a dick move this was it was, it was just equivalent to a bully going "boo" at the little guy for fun versus the NPO times when you'd beat the living !@#$ out of the little guy for supposedly giving you a funny look. Yep, the new structure is so much worse. lol.

[quote name='Ramirus Maximus' date='02 July 2010 - 04:40 AM' timestamp='1278060016' post='2357560'] As has been said before, Chill violated our charter and abdicated our authority in any negotiations that occurred. [/quote] How am i involved in this again? Can someone show me a log where i officially said anything to any IRON representative regarding anything peace related.

[quote name='crazy canuck' date='30 June 2010 - 04:46 PM' timestamp='1277930746' post='2355642'] You may not have apologized. But a great deal of others did because of course they all thought there was something to apologize for. One thing is for sure, at no time did you step in to try to correct everyone else that was coming to us to apologize. If what you are now saying is accurate then at the very least you let us believe that the heart felt apologies that your members were giving us was a reflection of the way Gramlins felt about the situation. That seems a tad dishonest to me. But at the very least I am beginning to better understand how things fell apart between our two alliances. [/quote] You have access to the thread. You can go re-read it at your convenience.

[quote name='crazy canuck' date='30 June 2010 - 03:35 PM' timestamp='1277926541' post='2355495'] And if I remember correctly it was Matthew PK who came to our joint forum to explain that he understood that we were upset that their obligations had been breached but that you in Gremlins felt you had no choice and that you thought you were doing the right thing. He and other Gramlins were also at pains to emphasis that they were still our close friends and that we should not take their move as in any way a sign that they were moving away from that friendship.... I think that most of you who said those things at the time truly believed it. But in hindsight Ram had much different ideas for both our alliances. And now I see Ram is desperate to try to rewrite history in order to try to save some semblence of respect. [/quote] Once again Ram is not rewriting anything. He has held that point of view from day one. Just because he didnt publicize it to everyone doesnt mean he just made it up now. Initially it was Boondock and I that came over to explain things. Also as Praetor at the time i dont think i apologized for doing what we did since there was nothing wrong with it, I said i was sorry we had to do it (Boondock might have apologized but he wasnt gov).

Good move Ram, good move. Must have taken some effort to speak to the masses. [quote name='Umar ibn Abd al-Aziz' date='30 June 2010 - 09:15 AM' timestamp='1277903699' post='2355107'] You're forgetting that Ram brought it up in the OP, dude. I think it's fair play if he's gonna bloody well peddle lies about it in public. I say $%&@ him and the horse he rode in on, he's a facetious two-faced !@#$. [/quote] No. Ram from the begging has believed that Gre never broke the Lux. His logic is fairly simple, you can e-lawyer it as much as you want but it wont change its validity. NPO started an aggressive war (which by my own logic is arguable) and IRON supported that war by entering on NPO's side. Thus IRON was clearly on the aggressive side. Once Fark was drawn in (following Ram's logic) Gre had no choice but to assist its friend against an aggressor. Again by the same logic there is no valid argument against [b]doing the right thing[/b] by helping your friends against an aggressor. The logic for those in charge at Gre at the time might have been different but almost all of us agreed that engaging IRON was the right thing to do no matter what because it was the only way to ensure our side's victory. There was never any doubt in my mind about that and i didnt feel conflicted about it at all although i understood perfectly how hard it was on TOP given we were about to crater one of their closest allies (independent of whether it was a good or bad choice on their part). Some in TOP understood our actions (just like i understood their ties to IRON and NPO) while others are still butthurt to this day. (This mess was also one of the main reasons i was a big supporter of the paperless policy) As for the old "honorable" gremlins that Hal keeps referring to and having them come back and rebuild gre, well, you can stop dreaming. Not gonna happen. The current gremllins are as honorable as the old ones (although Ram would disagree) they just have different values. Ram paints them one way i see them another. Syz did have an ideology of honor and justice i have no doubt about that but he also used realpolitik to get to his goals. Unlike Ram i dont see anything wrong with it. Hell, id say thats pretty machivelian. On an average PB member level Syz was an amazing leader. He had the charisma to get an entire alliance behind an ideal (or a set of) while at the same time working behind the scenes to make it happen. Bob was always the resident idealist. Everyone else was fairly pargmatic and mostly incapble or uninterested in being invovled on that level or cultural and political leadership (excluding maybe Hell Angel and Zere). Once the old regime started going inactive Ram stepped up and made his play for a Gre that he (and some of us thought) would be a new interesting path. Unfortunately despite being as smart as he is, Ram is/was nowhere near close to being able to coalece the group as well as Syz did (nor does he want to really since he is happy to be rid of anyone who isnt "smart enough" understand his ideas). I should also mention that there is more to Ram's simmingly inconsistent view of how PB geo-politics should work. If you ask him for the entire outlook it will make more sense. Although cant guarantee you will like it. P.S. Wicked J that hard on that you have had for me since karma must be starting to be pretty uncomfortable eh. Maybe you and Gen Lee can get together and help each other.

[quote name='mrcalkin' date='29 June 2010 - 04:55 AM' timestamp='1277801688' post='2353758'] Exclusive video from inside The Grämlins underground bunker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1OoqHC6M-Y [/quote] Hahaha, humor and creativity at their best. [quote name='Kalasin' date='29 June 2010 - 09:50 AM' timestamp='1277819420' post='2353902'] All inactive nations, please leave *now*. That was great. [/quote] Thats about the right number.

Hey $%&@face I'll take all the punishment you can give me. http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=135534 Any time you wanna stop yapping about things you dont know and feel like declaring let me know and ill gladly move to NONE.

[quote name='Grimm Reaper' date='25 May 2010 - 08:05 PM' timestamp='1274832295' post='2311770'] http://www.cybernations.net/search_aid.asp?search=144512&Extended=1 That's the logic. He's not just sitting there. I don't think I've ever seen a bank nation get so viciously ignored. [/quote] Why are putting someone else's comments under my name? What is that a new form of creative writing?

[quote name='Grimm Reaper' date='25 May 2010 - 01:08 PM' timestamp='1274807310' post='2311367'] I don't think I understand what you're saying. Perhaps you shouldn't be so subtle, Mr. Orwell, lest I miss your allegory. It would also help if you were at all right about this war. White peace is on the table for their leadership to take. Unless you consider white peace unreasonable terms for a defeated alliance, this is not unreasonable. Individual terms are also reasonable; that is, surrender, and you're free. That's it. But repeat a lie enough and it becomes truth, I suppose. [/quote] Never said anything about the terms you offer them. As far as im concerned you can ask for unconditional surrender, PZI them or demand disbandment. I see all of em as valid tools (if you can actually enforce).

[quote name='bigwoody' date='25 May 2010 - 11:43 AM' timestamp='1274802206' post='2311317'] IRON and DAWN are better than Gre and will act it. [/quote] Yes my brothers, the idea of unconditional surrender is a moral evil that undermines the fabric of PB, corrupts our children, and makes our wimminz infertile. Anyone advocating or demanding it is a soulless monster spawned by the devil himself and sent amongst us to enslave our minds one precedent setting surrender at a time. No decent man would tolerate such blasphemy and heinous behavior from staining the soil upon which we live on. All righteous men should take up arms (or keyboards) and crush, PZI and disband all [suspected and potential] followers of this most evil of thoughts. Oh brothers come join ye the Church of Bigwoody, the merciful, the unstained, the defender of the oppressed and enemy of all PB's evils. Let him show you the true path and keep you from siding with those that oppress the helpless and bring unwarranted harm to the innocent. Join now and get a complimentary coupon for our weekly all you can eat BS* buffet. *prepared with our super secret hypocrisy based marinade.

[quote name='Cormalek' date='06 May 2010 - 12:35 AM' timestamp='1273120526' post='2288688'] - The Chill thing is another issue on which Matthew might give you some [i]facts[/i] on. [/quote] Umm hi, what? You know you can ask Chill for Chill related facts (even though i have no idea how im involved in this).

[quote name='Alfred von Tirpitz' date='04 May 2010 - 10:01 AM' timestamp='1272981693' post='2286363'] How many folks here think that if/when people like Alekhine running for Grämlins senior government win; they will change the alliance stance on the current situation? Can we get a pool going regarding this? No sorry electoral candidates you cant bet on this. [/quote] Ill start believing when Ram relinquishes to him the admin permissions for the Gre boards that come with the position.

[quote name='ironchef' date='29 April 2010 - 12:34 PM' timestamp='1272558848' post='2279933'] So there has been a plan all along. Would you like to let the rest of us in on this plan so we have some idea what Gre was thinking. [/quote] Yes Matt do give us a full account of Gre's war and political strategy. While at it PM me your credit card number and SSN.

[quote name='chefjoe' date='29 April 2010 - 01:02 AM' timestamp='1272517352' post='2279457'] The problem isnt with understanding what Gre wants Sigrun...its more of the nature of wondering why anyone would comply or even back up Gremlins actions... IE: Gre is asking IRON to drop their pants and bend over and close their eyes while Gre stands behind them naked saying 'dont worry we promise nothing you cant handle will happen' 'umm why cant you tell us before we bend over why your naked and what is going to happen?' 'DUDE, dont worry! It wont be that bad I promise. Just do it! For your own good I swear!'.... I am pretty sure if you were IRON in that position you would be doing the same thing they are doing, saying 'ummmm NO THANKS' [/quote] Hahahahah, well the idea is that getting constantly punched in the face is worse than the risk of bending over in front of a naked dude. "ummm NO THANKS" works as long as IRON can use its flimsy arms to protect its face but they eventually will have to use those hands for something else and kicking Gre in the shins isnt doing much to decrease its punching ability. Plus you never know, IRON might end up being into stuff like that.

[quote name='Ashoka the Great' date='22 April 2010 - 09:49 AM' timestamp='1271947733' post='2270686'] Of course you do. I mean, really, has anybody ever fantasized about being ravaged by someone dressed as a liberal? [/quote] Fail joke and potentially the lamest comment in a thread full of em. In other news i await the next Radio Free Gramlins report on the "Please Gre's friends, betray the Gremlins" campaign.

[quote name='Lord Curzon' date='21 April 2010 - 01:57 PM' timestamp='1271876246' post='2269363'] Now THAT would make for some interesting propaganda! Now I understand what Ram was thinking when he said he wanted to make this [OOC]game[/OOC] more fun [/quote] Yea man, he gone get medieval on yo butts. [quote name='ironchef' date='21 April 2010 - 01:46 PM' timestamp='1271875558' post='2269348'] Oh Chill you know I do love it when you get all Gestapo on me [/quote] Girl you know i look good in them leather boots and tight uniforms. Though dont you go and make me break out ma whip, or !@#$ gone get serious up in here.