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[quote name='CptGodzilla' timestamp='1299194535' post='2651613'] Sorry, but USN humiliates themselves every day they exist [/quote] Is that the pot calling the kettle black? You can't open your mouth without humiliating yourself your alliance and your allies.

Thanks for a good fight and a being very decent in the peace dealings. Onwards to rebuild :-D

CSN is a very unreasonable alliance. Personal expereince of their "compromises" tells me that.

Admit it, you just love the attention

[quote name='BuffDaddy' timestamp='1295442958' post='2583776'] I can't wait to see Cora in her war gear. o/ USN [/quote] As per request [IMG]http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa49/sarta_kath/kathryn-thegathering09046-1.jpg[/IMG]

Congrats!

[quote name='Xiphosis' timestamp='1293100670' post='2551464'] Where to start, where to start. First of all, Doomhouse connects MK to the power structure. PB is the current power structure. This is a responsibility that you folks adopted when you formed the bloc and that's fine, but you need to understand what that entails. You have not only the obligation, but the expectation of all involved to lead - that includes deciding who does, and does not, enjoy the protections this side entails. But I know you, and have known you for a long time, Sardonic. I know Roquentin as well. I knew this wasn't important to you guys, and you weren't going to legitimately do anything about it, and that's fine. But it forces me to. MK and PB on the whole was informed that signing TOP into the side was unacceptable to me, they were informed why as well. It is my opinion, based on what I witnessed during and after Karma and the months afterwards, that TOP has no loyalty to anyone or anything. Their friends have, routinely, been abused and used in the past. They have screwed over the coalitions they participated in, and due to the democratic nature of their government saying anything long term about them is next to impossible. The last time that I was on good terms with them was Dan's term - he soon lost his job back to Crymson. I never bothered again. I value reliability and efficiency, but not if the loyalty isn't there to back it up. More than that, I have serious issue with the motive behind this. It's an open secret several pockets of PB and MK consider NpO the threat. This is ridiculous, and I can say that much more certainly than any one of you can say TOP's turned a new leaf. It's based on 12 months of interaction. If NpO's been some big bad menace out to wrestle top spot, they've certainly hid it well. They've been staunch and reliable allies to GOD, unofficially, since the conclusion of Bipolar. Dajabo and Penguin helped get GOD-Polar relations on track since the first time since prior to the UJW, and helped settle a beef that had run for far too long. Does it irritate me they took the bait and signed with a fail alliance like Legion? You bet. Have they heard volumes to that effect? Mhm. Do I think this suddenly erases everything TOP did wrong? No. Do I think we should be hiring mercenaries to do the dirty work on Polar for us? Definitely. not. And the MK-TOP tie screams that. If you want them so bad, don't be a !@#$% - do it yourself. Don't treaty a meatshield and let them take the damage for you. It reflects poorly on your character. I had a hard time making this call, believe it or not. GOONS-GOD has been a stable relationship, and besides Sparta has been one of my few allies that I know sizable portions of the gov and consider legitimate friends. But to let TOP into the side without anything being done just seemed ridiculous to me, and GOD agreed. Whether or not you accept that you have the responsibility for managing this side is irrelevant; at the end of the day you do. I sincerely hope you, and the rest, embrace your responsibilities and man up. Nothing good comes of naivety. And to the rest; haters gonna hate. See you next war. [/quote] So in a nut shell you feel u have the right to tell GOONS to interfere with the FA's of an allaince thats not even in PB? If u had a problem with MK's choice of allies you should take it up with them not use GOONS as the fall guy. And people wonder y i didn't want anything to do with SF's, CA or GOD.

It's seems FEAR is doomed to repeat it's mistake over and over and over. Some day your leaders will wake up and learn the different between oA and MD

[quote name='The MVP' timestamp='1292804915' post='2545142'] Pretty sure it was Altheus who decided to let his allies in FEAR and co. die alone while convincing chefjoe it was okay they had allies on both sides of the web! They're both jokers and this one's still dancing for the NpO. [/quote] MVP you talk to much and belive to much proganda to give a fair judgement on the value of tech let alone any alliance in CN [quote]Peggy Sue once asked me what UPN had to do to change it's horrible reputation on the OWF....I don't think this is it. [/quote] Considering u wouldn't know a decent reputation if it smack u in the face your the last person to give any1 advise.

Congrats to our allies and to the Legion. I hope you guys have the same long lasting relationship that Polaris and USN have shared :-D Merger

For so many reason is thread makes my brain hurt.

[quote name='Ernesto Che Guevara' timestamp='1291407387' post='2529262'] It actually led to that point via a jab at Europa, then a discussion about Europa being in CDT, the discussion then moved to being about Europa being led by many of the same people as UCN, making it the same as a CDT alliance, and naturally progressed. Nice try, though. CDT did threaten Europa. The whole "Hand over the forums/flags or else" debacle was quite obviously a threat. The backpedaling on the part of CDT here is quite amazing, actually, considering myself and the other Europa founders were trolled on IRC by the very members of both USN and UPN in the beginning. [/quote] Hardly "an or else" since UCN didn't infact use the flags or the forums. Common decency should have been reason to allow the flag/forums to be used. Since you have proved you lack that and would rather damage relations with former friends then allow the allaince you were leaving to use alliance assets says more about you then the people willing to support UCN's request for aid. Che please let it drop. Stop acting like a spoilt child and forget it.

[quote name='kriekfreak' timestamp='1291221034' post='2527300'] Sorry but what's with all these cleaning of embassies? And people complain when MK makes a thread about abandoning NPO's forum. Really, no one gives a damn. [/quote] Sorry that this may be a concept your are unaware of, Common Decency. Telling people their embassies are inactive and given them a chance to sort the situation comes in under that concept.

I did but it fails to prove any of your points. It maybe the part u r looking for is not inculded in the privew provided but since this book is no avilable in the UK u'll need to give me something better then that

MVP i'd like to ask where u get your information from? I have been on Wiki and no where is this holiday even closly associate with an crusade so please provide the facts to your statments. Without Facts your blog is nothing more the picking on a day casue u don't like turkey. (I'm a brit and we don't do thanks giving) If u have actual facts behind your claims i'd be interested the look at them as things related to this time period r a particular fav of mine.

Getting curbstomped wouldn't affect me or my approach to the game. On an alliance level however it's certainly been the origin of a lot of the longest lasting vendettas of the past. So yes, I do think that extreme struggle can be the making of an alliance, but usually because it creates a cause to rally behind. i.e. striking back at the curbstompers. On a side issue, Legion are quite right to puff their chests. They've done well for themselves.

[quote name='camerontech' timestamp='1287760465' post='2490627'] By "calming" things down you mean being told by the UPN to stand down and not get involved, it wasn't a little game, it was called standing up for ourselves, something USN used to have a reputation for doing. I wanted to cancel treaties because they were weighing the alliance down and most were nothing more than treaties of convenience. You valued those treaties more than your own freedom. [/quote] UPN didn't tell me to do anything. I was talking to member of a maroon alliance at the time who asked me to post to stop your mismanaged post blowing up in USN's face. But you've turned in to a fairy tale to justify your little game. You have no concept of what a friend is considering your current actions and your AA of the last year. You sold out when u couldn't change USN. Now your placing the blame on to anyone else but yourself.

[quote name='camerontech' timestamp='1287703547' post='2490167'] How condescending and motherly of you. My involvement in this come as a direct reaction to the policies that you and UPN enacted. You stripped us of our freedom, you disillusioned yourself into thinking that what you were doing was "for the greater good". Surrounded by yes-men, you didn't stop and think that what you were doing was maybe wrong, you ignored any call to pause and think about the future consequences. UPN kept pushing their way in, and you held the door open. I tried my best to be friendly, I was pushed to guerrilla warfare. I don't want you to get involved in this either, because contrary to popular belief, I still like you. [/quote] You threaten The Brain with war and then ran away to them when I calmed everything down and stopped your little game. You wanted to cancel every treaty we had inculded 1 (not UPN) that is the greatest assest we have. If that meant the future consuquences of you acting like an idiot a year later dont think anyone could have predicted that. You have a problem with me then do something rather then attack the bystanders. How do you expect me to talk to you when you act like a sulky spoilt child who didn't get their own way?

[quote name='camerontech' timestamp='1287687854' post='2489937'] There's two of us now, if you think they can't handle one rogue, two must seem impossible. The UPN middle tier is in for a world of hurt. [/quote] Cam i thought better of u. You've become such a disappointment. [quote name='Mayzie' timestamp='1287697182' post='2490060'] I don't get it, how does someone's SDI actually working say anything at all about UPN? [/quote] In freelancers world facts don't prove anything. Shouting the loadest is all the proof u need. Stats and how thing fuction is imaterial to him. No matter how many times u show him how things work he knows best casue he's "special"

Thats an unsual definition of the word friend your using there.

they are worst titles out there

(Double post)

Consiering the last 2 times UPN fought RnR i'd say your the last person to call out their fighting ability. Since the stats show they returned your burning allaince back to u on silver platters twice u'd best not embarress yourself any further.

May he rest in peace and his family remember the good times that made up his life.

It's been a pleasure to see you grow and florish as an alliance and help you along the way. Joey