King Death II Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 (edited) Dear CN, the attacks were not sanctioned by gov or me. Please take a look at this: DLs Link: http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_d...ation_ID=370954 Alliance Seniority: 11/29/2009 8:14:55 PM (1 Days) Again, it was out of my control and only the members are at fault for this for listening to a rogue trying to cause trouble. Thank You. Edited December 1, 2009 by King Death II Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jyrinx Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Don't you have rules or regulations telling your members exactly what constitutes a valid order and who may give such an order? If not, I would recommend you do that now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilien Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Makes sense, problem handled. No more threads please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernkastel Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 (edited) I still vote that UED gets rolled or something. An acceptable outcome to this drama or something. ... I'm disappointed. ;_; Edited December 1, 2009 by Luna Sol solis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldie Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 well this ended quick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperbad Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Don't you have rules or regulations telling your members exactly what constitutes a valid order and who may give such an order? If not, I would recommend you do that now. Truthfully it wouldn't really matter if an alliance did have such a rule. Members still can act contrary to them and the only thing their alliance can do is either tell them to stop, eject them or target them themselves. It's been established that KDII didn't order this nor did anyone else in his government. The only thing left to be seen is what will be UED's actions internally with regards to these members or perhaps establishing such rules for greater clarity within the alliance -- if that's where the issue originated as you seem to suggest -- then what WF and its allies response will be to the whole mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jyrinx Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 (edited) Truthfully it wouldn't really matter if an alliance did have such a rule. Members still can act contrary to them and the only thing their alliance can do is either tell them to stop, eject them or target them themselves. It's been established that KDII didn't order this nor did anyone else in his government. The only thing left to be seen is what will be UED's actions internally with regards to these members or perhaps establishing such rules for greater clarity within the alliance -- if that's where the issue originated as you seem to suggest -- then what WF and its allies response will be to the whole mess. Of course, it's still possible for a member to obey an invalid order from a rogue, but the sheer number of people that obeyed and attacked makes me suspect that there weren't clear ground rules on that. And yeah, looks like these attacks weren't sanctioned by UED at all. No war tonight guys. Edit: Actually, I can't count. Only 4 UED members hit WF, excluding DelusionaLeader. Alright then. Edited December 1, 2009 by Jyrinx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wickedj Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 I still vote that UED gets rolled or something.An acceptable outcome to this drama or something. ... I'm disappointed. ;_; Why dont you declare war on them already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Xander the Only Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 I don't buy it. You still should be rolled. Anyway, congrats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernkastel Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Why dont you declare war on them already? Not in a position of power to do so. I would if I could though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser Gutenhagen Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 If a rogue caused this much ruckus, then I commend him to Puerto Rico's highest honour, the golden banana of Pedro El Poco. Legend tells that the golden banana was forged by masons in El Pedro Hotel 2nd Floor, and can hold 2 bags of crack which will slip past any US airport detection. You have done well, and deserve this, oh brave Amigo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperbad Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Of course, it's still possible for a member to obey an invalid order from a rogue, but the sheer number of people that obeyed and attacked makes me suspect that there weren't clear ground rules on that. It's certainly possible. I don't mean to suggest otherwise but I'm wondering if there's more to it then this person simply being a generic rogue. I'm pondering if these is a symptom of something other then rules within the alliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wickedj Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 It's certainly possible. I don't mean to suggest otherwise but I'm wondering if there's more to it then this person simply being a generic rogue. I'm pondering if these is a symptom of something other then rules within the alliance. I would assume MOST members knew better than to just open a pm that says "Attack WF!!!" and do it. but then again this is UED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biff Webster Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Please correct me if I am wrong, but isn't one of the members that responded to these messages a member of the UED government? Wouldn't a MoIA at the very least know that the sender was not a legitimate member of the UED? I don't think there should be a full out war over this, but a response of "it's not my fault, it's my members" seems kind of lame to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin McDonald Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 "Only the members are at fault"? I think you as a leader are at fault a bit more than your members. My membership knows who a war order comes from, and would not listen to any errant order. Target lists would also come from our off-site forums, and PMs would direct them to said target list. Your members may be at fault, but it isn't ONLY your members who are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Death II Posted December 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Please correct me if I am wrong, but isn't one of the members that responded to these messages a member of the UED government? Wouldn't a MoIA at the very least know that the sender was not a legitimate member of the UED?I don't think there should be a full out war over this, but a response of "it's not my fault, it's my members" seems kind of lame to me. Hes not gov anymore. And I guess it is partially my fault for having idiot members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperbad Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 I would assume MOST members knew better than to just open a pm that says "Attack WF!!!" and do it. but then again this is UED Was it really that simple? One thing I wonder is if the rogue and these 4 knew each other. Otherwise are the 4 relative newbies and rather inactive? Those new to online gaming are really the only new sort of player I could see making this mistake. Friends however I can see doing this much more easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertFitzy Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 A Bavarian Fire Drill, I did that once a long time ago and sending out false defaming recruit msgs/allaince attack msgs. Some will unbelievably fall for those, sometimes in mass, even if they are sanctioned, large nations. One of the reasons I suggested alliance seniority show on a basic nation pages later on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackSkellington Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Do you at least TRY to keep your members updated on the gov? And by members, I mean the ones who probably never sign into the forums or IRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin McDonald Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 And I guess it is partially my fault for having idiot members. You still don't get it in the least. It's more than partially your fault. As well, if you keep calling your members idiots, eventually you will have no one left to call names. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentFury Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 (edited) Sup death just glad to see u sticking with an alliancE <3 he can call u a name kevin Edited December 1, 2009 by SilentFury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wickedj Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 You still don't get it in the least. It's more than partially your fault. As well, if you keep calling your members idiots, eventually you will have no one left to call names. Its official. KD is RyanGDI re-incarnated..or atleast rerolled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Reccesion Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Your members should read this thread, and see what kind of leader they have. I learned the hard way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow King Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 UED is fail. That is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackSkellington Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Kevin McDonald is exactly right. It's your responsibility to educate your members(Especially since the vast majority of them are brand new members into the game and are rather inactive and/or don't pay attention) on who your gov is. As well as the fact that as a leader, it's generally your job to take that responsibility of what happened and make amends. Trying to pass of the blame on to your members who don't know better because you didn't educate them is the mark of a terrible leader. I talked to you about this before and I really think you should consider what I told you before. That fact is, you are showing very little leadership qualities, if not none at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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