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The Official Terms Given To TOP/IRON/TSO/DAWN/TORN


Ejayrazz

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Since everyone and their mother has seen them, I mine as well post them since I received permission from the person I received them from.

Terms of surrender of The Order of the Paradox (TOP), Independent Republic of Orange Nations (IRON), Democratic Alliance of Wise Nations (DAWN), The Sweet Oblivion (TSO), and The Order of Righteous Nations (TORN) - collectively hereafter referred to as TIDTT.

General

1. TIDTT admits defeat and surrenders to the collective forces of the Complaints & Grievances Union, and their allies in Sparta, Mostly Harmless Alliance, The Grämlins, Fark, Nemesis, Dark Fist, The Brigade, The Resistance, Aloha, Aircastle, The Jedi Order, Prism Protection Front, Siberian Tiger Alliance, New Polar Order, The Alliance of Angry Bees, FOK, Christian Coalition of Countries, Federation of Armed Nations, BaCoN, Ronin, Global Alliance and Treaty Organization, Umbrella, Imperial Assault Alliance, Open Source Alliance, Genesis, Eldar, and the Order of the Black Rose.

Reparations

2. TIDTT shall pay reparations in the amounts outlined below. In the case of both reparations paid directly by TIDTT and of TIDTT paying for tech deals from other alliances, it is the responsibility of TIDTT to ensure that payments reach targets specified by the receiving alliances.

3. TOP shall pay the following reparations:

300K tech to the Complaints & Grievances Union. Up to 150K tech may be purchased by TOP from nations of other alliances at their discretion & coordination.

25K tech to Sparta.

7.5K tech and $105 Million to Dark Fist.

5K tech to The Brigade.

5K tech to The Resistance.

2.9K tech to Nemesis.

4. IRON shall pay the following reparations:

150K tech to the Complaints & Grievances Union. Up to 50K tech may be purchased by IRON from nations of other alliances at their discretion & coordination.

15K tech to Sparta.

6K tech paid for at a rate of 3m per 150 tech for Fark and a Beer Review which must meet their criteria.

6K tech paid for at a rate of 3m per 150 tech for Grämlins

IRON shall agree to provide BACoN with unlimited cast iron frying pans for bacon cooking purposes

a good bourbon review from IRON leaders for FAN

5. DAWN shall pay the following reparations:

10K tech to the Complaints & Grievances Union. Up to 5K tech may be purchased by DAWN from nations of other alliances at their discretion & coordination.

5K tech and 200M to IAA (SHARED WITH TORN)

6K tech to Grämlins, 3K of which is paid for at a rate of 150/3m

500 tech and a Beer Review for Fark which must meet their criteria.

6. TSO shall pay the following reparations:

40K tech to the Complaints & Grievances Union. Up to 20K tech may be purchased by TSO from nations of other alliances at their discretion & coordination.

10K tech to GATO or it's equivalent in cash at $3mil per 100 or any combonation thereof.

5K tech to OSA and a short essay of no less than 400 words on why GNU/Linux is a superior operating system to Windows. Up to 2.5K tech may be purchased by TSO from nations of other alliances at their discretion & coordination.

5K tech to Genesis. Up to 2.5K tech may be purchased by TSO from nations of other alliances at their discretion & coordination.

5K tech to Ronin. Up to 2.5K tech may be purchased by TSO from nations of other alliances at their discretion & coordination.

7. TORN shall pay the following reparations:

10K tech to the Complaints & Grievances Union. Up to 5K tech may be purchased by TORN from nations of other alliances at their discretion & coordination.

5K tech and 200M to IAA (SHARED WITH DAWN)

8. TIDTT alliances and their members shall not engage in inter-alliance aid except aid required to pay reparations.

Length of Terms

9. These terms shall last individually for each TIDTT alliance. When an alliance has completed the full payment of their reparations to designated targets from each receiving alliance, their time subject to these terms is complete.

Amazingly redundant. So far I have heard "NPO has given worse," well who cares? It doesn't mean these aren't ridiculous just because others have been worse. I have heard this would take at least 100 days to pay off (Someone calculate it), let alone people leaving, not being able to pay, or generally refusing to. I am sure we will be losing some people after this, great, just what this game needs. "I love your tears," I am sure that will be mentioned by one egotistical idiot who adds nothing civil to this discussion, mine as well mention it in the initial post.

I am more concerned with the timing. I do not care how much damage an alliance has done, even to mine, I wouldn't give them terms which would jeopardize growth for MONTHS at a time like NPO has done. These terms are ridiculious, and I laugh even harder at people saying "They could have been worse," alright, we get it, but it doesn't change the fact that these will take too long to pay off. "Others have done it," I don't care for it either, just because others had to you'd think they wouldn't wish for others to go through similar situations. Or, best of all, "THEY DID THIS TO THEMSELVES," yeah, they did, but this is exactly what others have done before; causing others to waste slots for months while another side builds and builds. I guess it is how this game goes, I guess you could have asked for more, but good job breaking the cycle. This is a game and ultimately we play it for fun, good job with adding to the problem at hand that this game faces with months of consequences over one war, but wait! Since this is a game, no one TRULY can grasp this concept since mentioning this is just a game is something none of us can accept, therefore we must do what we can to REBUILD PRECIOUS STATS! TOP, you were stupid for the attacks, but these terms are laughable at best. Mind you, these are terms who were only representative tonight. They'll be more most likely.

Even though I was against you TOP in this war, I hope you absolutely refuse these reps and do as much damage as possible. These terms are a joke.

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Yeah, I did forget to do the conversion for 100 tech. My sincerest apologies to those my error may have shone a negative light on. I've made corrections to all relevant areas (I think, point me out if you see another error, it's late, I'm tired, there probably is one).

It's 9 billion, which is nothing. TOP has a guy with almost that much cash on hand, one guy.

Yup and they don't need to spend all that many billion on tech. They could get tech cheaper with internal aid still permitted. Doing it from 0 tech and buying up to 50 the real cost is $5,609,296,000 for 345,400 tech @ 812k per 50.

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TOP only got ~50 nations below 1k Tech, throw in ~7000 slots. In perfect unreal conditions, it'll take minimal ~6 months. Throw in realism and you go above that.

Throw in the viceroys and that completely finishes the very small difference that was there between the ex and neo hegemony and totally swings it to the new big, badder, overlords in NeoHeg..

Also NpO's name's up there, add in to the lulz factor I suppose.

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Yes, it is most probable the majority would be of the same cost as market value, simply because that's what they paid for it. They do have the potential to use those lowest in tech for the cheap tech in order to save billions, assuming a time frame with some leeway.

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First off, long time. You go on Skype anymore?

I support white peace, but I also understand this opinion will never be fully adopted. Realistically, I believe terms are acceptable; but nothing which takes MONTHS to pay. Honestly, attack them down to rubble, set an example, and move forward. You may not agree, but at least the game keeps spinning and both sides can resort to their own needs of rebuilding. What I will say, in all fairness, is it could've been worse, but I still find them unreasonable. Events taking MONTHS, in reality, is what stagnates the game my brother.

I don't get on Skype as much as I should, but I get on their sometimes. I'll to be on more.

Regarding your post ...I can accept that viewpoint. Nobody really wants to be spending months of time foregoing any growth on their alliance or their nations growth to pay their "enemies". Not everybody adheres to this philosophy though.

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Grämlins are not DEMANDING a thing, as happened in other wars due to our codex, we buy our tech from sureendering alliances.

Since you're not 'demanding' I suppose its cool if alliances decided to not sell tech to you?

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I didn't really have a lot to do with setting these proposed amounts, but do note that the amount of reps asked for from everyone put together is less than the amount of tech CnG has lost in this war. To say nothing of the infra, warchests, and land. TIFDTT completely disregarded international convention by preemptively aggressively striking our entire bloc with no CB. In light of that, how unreasonable are these reps?

Since everyone's been treating TOP's DoW literally to their own spin, applying the same standards, you asked us that we attack you as you can see in our DoW, so you did WANT a conflict between C&G and IRON. :smug: Given your specific history of pre-emptively attacking alliances, its most rich when it comes from you.

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TOP only got ~50 nations below 1k Tech, throw in ~7000 slots. In perfect unreal conditions, it'll take minimal ~6 months. Throw in realism and you go above that.

Throw in the viceroys and that completely finishes the very small difference that was there between the ex and neo hegemony and totally swings it to the new big, badder, overlords in NeoHeg..

Also NpO's name's up there, add in to the lulz factor I suppose.

I just did the math. Based off the current nations on the TOP AA (meaning it doesn't include all those on seperate ones trying to avoid being staggered) all the reps could be done in under 3 months.

Stop throwing out BS propaganda.

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Well the terms are out there as requested. Accept them, reject them, or counter-offer. Negotiations have started and we will see what happens. The peanut gallery doesn't get to decide, it's up to the various alliance leadership to determine the next step. The ball is in TOP/IRON/TSO/DAWN/TORN court.

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If I read the OP right, the following alliances would not be asking for any reparation, not even in the form of "forced reviews":

  1. Aircastle
  2. Aloha
  3. BaCoN
  4. Christian Coalition of Countries
  5. Eldar
  6. FOK
  7. Mostly Harmless Alliance
  8. New Polar Order
  9. Order of the Black Rose
  10. Prism Protection Front
  11. Siberian Tiger Alliance
  12. The Alliance of Angry Bees
  13. The Jedi Order
  14. Umbrella

My respect to all of them, and my unofficial disapproval to the others (albeit The Grämlins are also probably doing it right, as their "forced" tech deals would obviously go to the benefit of the smaller IRON nations).

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Grämlins are not DEMANDING a thing, as happened in other wars due to our codex, we buy our tech from sureendering alliances.

Since you're not 'demanding' I suppose its cool if alliances decided to not sell tech to you?

Don't be silly, shahenshah: IRON is full of small and/or bill-locked nations and, according to these terms, will be forbidden to do tech deals with thir parties. Tech dealing with The Grämlins could only be useful for them to have another source of cash for their recover.

Although I too would have preferred to have that term to be set as optional (aka IRON could choose not to deal with them if, for some weird reason, they didn't want to).

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I don't know whether this is true or not but meh! Regardless of anything reperations are the aim and it wpould be a bad precedent to start white peacing alliances and blocs that start aggressive wars.

NUTS!

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I just did the math. Based off the current nations on the TOP AA (meaning it doesn't include all those on seperate ones trying to avoid being staggered) all the reps could be done in under 3 months.

Stop throwing out BS propaganda.

You've counted all the ~200 nations? or the 50 below ~1000 tech? I based it on ~50 nations arguably in tech farm range after a stretch. Or you saying my maths is 3 months off on the ~50 nations hence BS propaganda and all?

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The requirement for tech deals is more about forcing member and gov interaction

we've already fought IRON twice in less than a year I'd rather not do so again in the near future if it can be avioded, if only for the sake of not having to again put nations against Matt Millers nukes

Our gov after Karma threw away the first oportunity we intend to give it a better go this time

edit, what do I get for starting a meme

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If I read the OP right, the following alliances would not be asking for any reparation, not even in the form of "forced reviews":

  1. New Polar Order

My respect to all of them, and my unofficial disapproval to the others (albeit The Grämlins are also probably doing it right, as their "forced" tech deals would obviously go to the benefit of the smaller IRON nations).

Polar asking for reps would be pretty hilarious.

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I'm not sure why people keep using the 'NPO did worse' line. In terms of reparations the NPO never went anywhere near that astronomical figures we see today. The last major war before Karma, where MK unloaded its entire nuclear arsenal against the NPO before receiving peace, saw terms worth a total of 82k tech (of which 58k went to the NPO) -- less than a quarter of what is being demanded of TOP here.

Compare how much tech MK had and how much TOP has.

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I don't get on Skype as much as I should, but I get on their sometimes. I'll to be on more.

Regarding your post ...I can accept that viewpoint. Nobody really wants to be spending months of time foregoing any growth on their alliance or their nations growth to pay their "enemies". Not everybody adheres to this philosophy though.

I understand. ;)

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