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The Official Terms Given To TOP/IRON/TSO/DAWN/TORN


Ejayrazz

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Since everyone and their mother has seen them, I mine as well post them since I received permission from the person I received them from.

Terms of surrender of The Order of the Paradox (TOP), Independent Republic of Orange Nations (IRON), Democratic Alliance of Wise Nations (DAWN), The Sweet Oblivion (TSO), and The Order of Righteous Nations (TORN) - collectively hereafter referred to as TIDTT.

General

1. TIDTT admits defeat and surrenders to the collective forces of the Complaints & Grievances Union, and their allies in Sparta, Mostly Harmless Alliance, The Grämlins, Fark, Nemesis, Dark Fist, The Brigade, The Resistance, Aloha, Aircastle, The Jedi Order, Prism Protection Front, Siberian Tiger Alliance, New Polar Order, The Alliance of Angry Bees, FOK, Christian Coalition of Countries, Federation of Armed Nations, BaCoN, Ronin, Global Alliance and Treaty Organization, Umbrella, Imperial Assault Alliance, Open Source Alliance, Genesis, Eldar, and the Order of the Black Rose.

Reparations

2. TIDTT shall pay reparations in the amounts outlined below. In the case of both reparations paid directly by TIDTT and of TIDTT paying for tech deals from other alliances, it is the responsibility of TIDTT to ensure that payments reach targets specified by the receiving alliances.

3. TOP shall pay the following reparations:

300K tech to the Complaints & Grievances Union. Up to 150K tech may be purchased by TOP from nations of other alliances at their discretion & coordination.

25K tech to Sparta.

7.5K tech and $105 Million to Dark Fist.

5K tech to The Brigade.

5K tech to The Resistance.

2.9K tech to Nemesis.

4. IRON shall pay the following reparations:

150K tech to the Complaints & Grievances Union. Up to 50K tech may be purchased by IRON from nations of other alliances at their discretion & coordination.

15K tech to Sparta.

6K tech paid for at a rate of 3m per 150 tech for Fark and a Beer Review which must meet their criteria.

6K tech paid for at a rate of 3m per 150 tech for Grämlins

IRON shall agree to provide BACoN with unlimited cast iron frying pans for bacon cooking purposes

a good bourbon review from IRON leaders for FAN

5. DAWN shall pay the following reparations:

10K tech to the Complaints & Grievances Union. Up to 5K tech may be purchased by DAWN from nations of other alliances at their discretion & coordination.

5K tech and 200M to IAA (SHARED WITH TORN)

6K tech to Grämlins, 3K of which is paid for at a rate of 150/3m

500 tech and a Beer Review for Fark which must meet their criteria.

6. TSO shall pay the following reparations:

40K tech to the Complaints & Grievances Union. Up to 20K tech may be purchased by TSO from nations of other alliances at their discretion & coordination.

10K tech to GATO or it's equivalent in cash at $3mil per 100 or any combonation thereof.

5K tech to OSA and a short essay of no less than 400 words on why GNU/Linux is a superior operating system to Windows. Up to 2.5K tech may be purchased by TSO from nations of other alliances at their discretion & coordination.

5K tech to Genesis. Up to 2.5K tech may be purchased by TSO from nations of other alliances at their discretion & coordination.

5K tech to Ronin. Up to 2.5K tech may be purchased by TSO from nations of other alliances at their discretion & coordination.

7. TORN shall pay the following reparations:

10K tech to the Complaints & Grievances Union. Up to 5K tech may be purchased by TORN from nations of other alliances at their discretion & coordination.

5K tech and 200M to IAA (SHARED WITH DAWN)

8. TIDTT alliances and their members shall not engage in inter-alliance aid except aid required to pay reparations.

Length of Terms

9. These terms shall last individually for each TIDTT alliance. When an alliance has completed the full payment of their reparations to designated targets from each receiving alliance, their time subject to these terms is complete.

Amazingly redundant. So far I have heard "NPO has given worse," well who cares? It doesn't mean these aren't ridiculous just because others have been worse. I have heard this would take at least 100 days to pay off (Someone calculate it), let alone people leaving, not being able to pay, or generally refusing to. I am sure we will be losing some people after this, great, just what this game needs. "I love your tears," I am sure that will be mentioned by one egotistical idiot who adds nothing civil to this discussion, mine as well mention it in the initial post.

I am more concerned with the timing. I do not care how much damage an alliance has done, even to mine, I wouldn't give them terms which would jeopardize growth for MONTHS at a time like NPO has done. These terms are ridiculious, and I laugh even harder at people saying "They could have been worse," alright, we get it, but it doesn't change the fact that these will take too long to pay off. "Others have done it," I don't care for it either, just because others had to you'd think they wouldn't wish for others to go through similar situations. Or, best of all, "THEY DID THIS TO THEMSELVES," yeah, they did, but this is exactly what others have done before; causing others to waste slots for months while another side builds and builds. I guess it is how this game goes, I guess you could have asked for more, but good job breaking the cycle. This is a game and ultimately we play it for fun, good job with adding to the problem at hand that this game faces with months of consequences over one war, but wait! Since this is a game, no one TRULY can grasp this concept since mentioning this is just a game is something none of us can accept, therefore we must do what we can to REBUILD PRECIOUS STATS! TOP, you were stupid for the attacks, but these terms are laughable at best. Mind you, these are terms who were only representative tonight. They'll be more most likely.

Even though I was against you TOP in this war, I hope you absolutely refuse these reps and do as much damage as possible. These terms are a joke.

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An alliance which has three times demanded and received the harshest reparations in history from alliances fighting defensive wars thinks they shouldn't have to pay for their own brutally destructive and unwarranted aggressive actions?

Now that's what I call nuts.

What about their last two wars in white peace being granted? And they made it clear white peace would be given if victorious especially in back channels. Why focus over 1.5 years ago or so? People tend to look at the distant past but not in the near past when alliances truly show their colors, especially showing changes in reparation asking? Yes, they did things in the past, but that doesn't affect CnG which is irrelevant at this point. Feel free to correct me as you see fit.

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One blog post and I am crying. Did I not call it? You're crying about crying with your rhetoric, good job. :lol1: Then you follow it up with a "WE GOING TO TAKE LONGER TO REBUILD" so with your rhetoric, once again, you're crying. See what happens when you play the crying card? It negates anything reasonable. How does it go? Your tears are delicious? No, that would be moronic for me to follow your statements up.

IC has nothing to do with reps, and nothing to do with the in-game mechanics..as you suggest. This game has socially evolved by the players, not the creators.

But with all seriousness, this *IS* a game, so why so serious? We going to punish everyone who begins a war with terms which will cause months to pay? Which means, in those months, nothing at all happens which, for the most part, results in political stagnation? So for 3 months they pay terms, rebuild for another year, and then have another war? All hypothetical and far fetched, but the point lingers. It would have been interesting to see Athens, as allies to MK, telling them that 2 or so years ago against NPO's oppression; whether warranted or not.

The crying reference was not directed solely at you, maybe not even predominantly at you. I do understand your ego requires you to champion a cause and be seen as a pillar of the community that exceeds standards. I get it, I really do. Alas, this is about TOP and friends, not about you. The funny thing is, you call our responses crying. My side is winning this war. I really have little to cry about. What this is about, to me, is the game. See, Ejay, the social definition of this game, does not rest with you. It rests with the community at large. Neither of us are in a position to speak for this games social direction. I do find it curious though, this new love of white peace from TOP. They had what amounted to zero interest in white peace pre-Karma. Then, lo and behold, just about all of their friends were on the losing side in Karma. So they exerted some political pressure to get them more favorable terms. Funny how watching your friends stare down monster reps will change your outlook.

The horror of TOP not being a politcal player for 3 or 4 months... TRAGIC I say! TOP-IRON-DAWN-TORN-TSO... roughly 730 nations. Yeah, thats roughly 3% of the world. Sorry, I dont think even for one moment that will effect, or stagnate the game. I just dont. NPO is still under terms. And the last 10 months can hardly be described as "uneventfu." Your "these reps will stagnate the game" argument fails, and it fails miserably. It will stagnate TOP and friends, and you know what? I dont care. Sorry, I just dont(apologies to a few very close friends in TOP, I hope you can forgive me).

IC has nothing to do with reps? Who made that rule? You? If reps had nothing to do with IC...they would not be permissable for discussion in IC forums. Reps epitomize what a leader of a nation(TOTALLY IC), might want to do to recoup some of his citizens losses. As for why I am so serious... ask around...Im one of the least serious people on here. In fact, the mere fact that you felt such outrage that you had to run right out and write a blog to bring to light the heinous antics of CnG and allies, might indicate, that it is you who are too serious. Yes yes, I know thats a great big NO U, but I am so not serious, that I find great humor in playing the NO U game.

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Yes we demanded heavy reps from NpO. Our whole goal was to destroy Polaris and eliminate them as a threat.

If your goal is to eliminate TOP as a threat, don't expect us to help you with your goal.

Why wouldnt we expect you to help? You expected one of MKs closest allies to roll over and let you kill them, while you pretended to give a damn about "community standards." I think its perfectly fitting to expect to you to help eliminate yourselves.

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Why wouldnt we expect you to help? You expected one of MKs closest allies to roll over and let you kill them, while you pretended to give a damn about "community standards." I think its perfectly fitting to expect to you to help eliminate yourselves.

You seem a little upset. Did a big bad Paradoxian show up and kill your country?

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This doesn't even come close to what was given to us. TOP, you still have a lot of work to do before you're hated enough.

we've never been very good at playing the bad guy

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Well it looks like for the foreseeable future neither TOP nor CnG will be a threat. If you want to turn this into a vietFAN type situation things can get very messy.

Son, Ive been ZI'd more times than I care to count. However, if YOU want VietFAN... more power to you, Im ready.

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i hope to god that IAA's name is taken off of the list of alliances taking reps from TORN/DAWN. i refuse to take reps for this war and would hope my alliance would have far more honor than this.

as for the rest, CnG is the only alliances that should take reps. every other alliance that demands it should have more honor.

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What about their last two wars in white peace being granted? And they made it clear white peace would be given if victorious especially in back channels. Why focus over 1.5 years ago or so? People tend to look at the distant past but not in the near past when alliances truly show their colors, especially showing changes in reparation asking? Yes, they did things in the past, but that doesn't affect CnG which is irrelevant at this point. Feel free to correct me as you see fit.

What I see as relevant is this war. This war that was started by TOP and Co. without cause or justification. Should they have to pay for the damage they caused? It would make sense, but unfortunately that isn't really feasible. Damages taken by C&G alone likely outvalue the entire sum of these reparations by 10 times at least.

In referencing the past, I seek to remind people that TOP has a history of starting aggressive wars with little to no cause. You may notice they did it again a month ago, and I see no indication that they are likely to change their ways anytime soon. As a member of an alliance they seem to have a problem with, that does not sit well with me.

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The crying reference was not directed solely at you, maybe not even predominantly at you. I do understand your ego requires you to champion a cause and be seen as a pillar of the community that exceeds standards. I get it, I really do. Alas, this is about TOP and friends, not about you. The funny thing is, you call our responses crying. My side is winning this war. I really have little to cry about. What this is about, to me, is the game. See, Ejay, the social definition of this game, does not rest with you. It rests with the community at large. Neither of us are in a position to speak for this games social direction. I do find it curious though, this new love of white peace from TOP. They had what amounted to zero interest in white peace pre-Karma. Then, lo and behold, just about all of their friends were on the losing side in Karma. So they exerted some political pressure to get them more favorable terms. Funny how watching your friends stare down monster reps will change your outlook.

The horror of TOP not being a politcal player for 3 or 4 months... TRAGIC I say! TOP-IRON-DAWN-TORN-TSO... roughly 730 nations. Yeah, thats roughly 3% of the world. Sorry, I dont think even for one moment that will effect, or stagnate the game. I just dont. NPO is still under terms. And the last 10 months can hardly be described as "uneventfu." Your "these reps will stagnate the game" argument fails, and it fails miserably. It will stagnate TOP and friends, and you know what? I dont care. Sorry, I just dont(apologies to a few very close friends in TOP, I hope you can forgive me).

IC has nothing to do with reps? Who made that rule? You? If reps had nothing to do with IC...they would not be permissable for discussion in IC forums. Reps epitomize what a leader of a nation(TOTALLY IC), might want to do to recoup some of his citizens losses. As for why I am so serious... ask around...Im one of the least serious people on here. In fact, the mere fact that you felt such outrage that you had to run right out and write a blog to bring to light the heinous antics of CnG and allies, might indicate, that it is you who are too serious. Yes yes, I know thats a great big NO U, but I am so not serious, that I find great humor in playing the NO U game.

Thanks for clarifying, I thought it was directly pointed at me. To get on with the rest:

In terms of my ego, I am a bitter old man in CN age and relatively remain silent, but I understand your ego must be defiant; resulting in you acting like the cynical bad $@! and anyone else referencing anything opposing your view is, well, is deemed a crier, but yet, you'll take the time to cry about crying since mentioning anything at all is crying, right? Rofl, nice rhetoric.

Yes, your side cries just as much as TOP does, but you failing to recognize it really grasps your perception -- especially since I am on your side in this war, following VE on the Polaris front. What I see is most of our side crying, and when TOP responds, they cry even harder. How the hell am I beacon of anything when opposing the same very side I am suppose to be fighting for? Swing and miss, but that is okay, keep patting yourself on the back. Someone cares, I am sure, till then, we'll have to wait. However, what you fail is reading comprehension in the sense where I never fully supported white peace as I stated the idea is idealistic more than realistic, thus, here we are arguing sensible reps versus redundant reps. Which is which? Who knows, it comes down to moral fiber and subjective opinions, but when others take unnecessary jabs, such as ego and other nonsense, well, we got a response such as this. I understand you need to be the tough internet bad $@!, but lets try keeping this on the subject without the jabs, mmk? You will dictate how civil this conversation is.

My argument does not fail, you bring a sentence into an argument and expect anyone to believe in its validity? No u.

These actions; requiring MONTHS for those to pay reparations DO in fact cause political stagnations and HAVE done so in the past: Are you politically ignorant, or do you seriously have no recollection of what has occurred in the past? However, I never once stated the entire web would be frozen, now did I? No, I did not, I said it results in political stagnation on TOPs' front as nothing happens (With them in particular), however I admit I will make it clearer as I can see the confusion, but if you wish to make a thread, we can fully analyze it into the upcoming of micro alliances (Which spiraled up after Karma), disgruntled feelings between allies, and general conduct in this war (Since you wished to get this subject off-hand). The idea of reps came from behind the computer, and IC developed from OOC, that is, if people believe in the IC/OOC line which is another story in itself.

Also, in terms of social direction, please don't preach. A blog is not expecting social change, but rather social discussion. You think someone with your intelligence would grasp that?

I should note I feel no need to talk to your little fan boys to uprise your ego further into you believing you're not so serious, and in fact, you're SO 'UNSERIOUS', you took the time to dedicate nearly an entire paragraph into making me believe it. Holy !@#$ you failed.

Writing a blog makes me so serious. SO SERIOUS. DON'T YOU GET IT?

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You think heavy reps are going to make us like you more? Someone needs to learn their history...

I really don't think at this point, we much care if you like us or hate us.

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Thanks for clarifying, I thought it was directly pointed at me. To get on with the rest:

In terms of my ego, I am a bitter old man in CN age and relatively remain silent, but I understand your ego must be defiant; resulting in you acting like the cynical bad $@! and anyone else referencing anything opposing your view is, well, is deemed a crier, but yet, you'll take the time to cry about crying since mentioning anything at all is crying, right? Rofl, nice rhetoric.

Yes, your side cries just as much as TOP does, but you failing to recognize it really grasps your perception -- especially since I am on your side in this war, following VE on the Polaris front. What I see is most of our side crying, and when TOP responds, they cry even harder. How the hell am I beacon of anything when opposing the same very side I am suppose to be fighting for? Swing and miss, but that is okay, keep patting yourself on the back. Someone cares, I am sure, till then, we'll have to wait. However, what you fail is reading comprehension in the sense where I never fully supported white peace as I stated the idea is idealistic more than realistic, thus, here we are arguing sensible reps versus redundant reps. Which is which? Who knows, it comes down to moral fiber and subjective opinions, but when others take unnecessary jabs, such as ego and other nonsense, well, we got a response such as this. I understand you need to be the tough internet bad $@!, but lets try keeping this on the subject without the jabs, mmk? You will dictate how civil this conversation is.

My argument does not fail, you bring a sentence into an argument and expect anyone to believe in its validity? No u.

These actions; requiring MONTHS for those to pay reparations DO in fact cause political stagnations and HAVE done so in the past: Are you politically ignorant, or do you seriously have no recollection of what has occurred in the past? However, I never once stated the entire web would be frozen, now did I? No, I did not, I said it results in political stagnation on TOPs' front as nothing happens (With them in particular), however I admit I will make it clearer as I can see the confusion, but if you wish to make a thread, we can fully analyze it into the upcoming of micro alliances (Which spiraled up after Karma), disgruntled feelings between allies, and general conduct in this war (Since you wished to get this subject off-hand). The idea of reps came from behind the computer, and IC developed from OOC, that is, if people believe in the IC/OOC line which is another story in itself.

Also, in terms of social direction, please don't preach. A blog is not expecting social change, but rather social discussion. You think someone with your intelligence would grasp that?

I should note I feel no need to talk to your little fan boys to uprise your ego further into you believing you're not so serious, and in fact, you're SO 'UNSERIOUS', you took the time to dedicate nearly an entire paragraph into making me believe it. Holy !@#$ you failed.

Writing a blog makes me so serious. SO SERIOUS. DON'T YOU GET IT?

I agree that you should be less serious. Classes are offered weekdays from 2PM to 4PM EST.

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I really don't think at this point, we much care if you like us or hate us.

Then why are you worried about us being a future threat? If you didn't want us to be a future threat you would think that you wouldn't give us a reason to be angry at you.

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Why is this in a blog? Ejayrazz, you should probably make a thread about this in the IC or OOC parts of the OWF. Otherwise, there will be an unpleasant mix of OOC and IC arguments/comments.

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Then why are you worried about us being a future threat? If you didn't want us to be a future threat you would think that you wouldn't give us a reason to be angry at you.

From your actions in both the distant and recent past, it seems you don't really need a reason to be angry at people.

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Then why are you worried about us being a future threat? If you didn't want us to be a future threat you would think that you wouldn't give us a reason to be angry at you.

I am not the least bit concerned about you being a future threat. See, this may surprise you, but everyone has different reasons for their pursuit of reps. They are all equally legitimate...and illegitimate(base on perspective of course)...I simply want all of my nations grieving widows and mothers to be compensated for their loss. How many cyber dollars do you put on the value of a cyber-life?

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I agree that you should be less serious. Classes are offered weekdays from 2PM to 4PM EST.

Hold on. Going to write an entire paragraph about how I am not serious and list references! I'll one up you that way!

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What about their last two wars in white peace being granted? And they made it clear white peace would be given if victorious especially in back channels. Why focus over 1.5 years ago or so? People tend to look at the distant past but not in the near past when alliances truly show their colors, especially showing changes in reparation asking? Yes, they did things in the past, but that doesn't affect CnG which is irrelevant at this point. Feel free to correct me as you see fit.

What's ironic is Sunstar is in ODN, an alliance known for totally fail actions in the past that is trying to put forth a nice reformed image...

Also, reps are NUTS. Keep nuking them to pieces, TOP.

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