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#9041 MostGloriousLeader

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Posted 14 July 2014 - 05:56 PM

Anyone else having problems with IRC or mibbit?



#9042 Uberstein

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Posted 14 July 2014 - 06:00 PM

Anyone else having problems with IRC or mibbit?

Mibbit is down atm. I'm using https://kiwiirc.com/client temporarily.



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Posted 14 July 2014 - 06:03 PM

I tried kiwi but it doesn't seem to work.  Also, it cuts off my name...  :(



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Posted 14 July 2014 - 06:06 PM

That's a shame :\

 

Don't really know what to suggest past that.



#9045 Evangeline Anovilis

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Posted 14 July 2014 - 06:13 PM

Anyone else having problems with IRC or mibbit?

I tried mibbit from some alliance's boards, works fine. Just ghost-killed myself.



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Posted 14 July 2014 - 06:15 PM

Yeah, ODN's mibbit works fine.



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Posted 14 July 2014 - 06:51 PM

Mibbit just doesn't seem to like me then  :(



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Posted 14 July 2014 - 08:08 PM

Mibbit hasn't been working for me either lately.



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Posted 14 July 2014 - 08:54 PM

Question in regards to ship substitution and tonnage. For subs do we go with the submerged or surface displacement?  Also, are we allowed to make reasonable upgrades and changes to ships gained through substitution?



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Posted 14 July 2014 - 09:02 PM

I'd go with submerged.



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Posted 15 July 2014 - 11:37 AM

Question in regards to ship substitution and tonnage. For subs do we go with the submerged or surface displacement?  Also, are we allowed to make reasonable upgrades and changes to ships gained through substitution?

Submerged and yes, but like, not complete redesigns.



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Posted 15 July 2014 - 10:06 PM

Type 216

 

Considering its based on a currently existing class of submarine could this be used in substitution or no?



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Posted 16 July 2014 - 05:08 AM

Type 216

 

Considering its based on a currently existing class of submarine could this be used in substitution or no?

It is a real plan, with proven tech (in your tech range), and a realistic displacement. Pending the decision of my co-GMs, go for it.



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Posted 20 July 2014 - 05:50 AM

The X-51 seems to have been working quite decently. 

 

Development schedules are stating a working missile by around 2020, for the F-35, which would still be within the tech limits of CNRP for the upper echelon.

X-51's estimated for availability mid-2020s

(2025-ish at bare minimum)

Slightly later compared to 2022 technology scale of CNRP.

Hence my point of not being particularly applicable right now.

In another one year it could be a thing for CNRP.

 

Sure, it did not fly for long, but that was not a technical issue, so much as an issue of it being intented to not fly much further.

Nothing with better performance is going to even closely be ready for 2024.

X-51 is literally top of that.

 

If you fly at Mach 5+, you don't need that long to get to substantial ranges.

3,900 mph for 5 minutes is only 325 miles.

Within current battlefield roleplays it's usually much longer.

That is frankly impossible by current scale of CNRP military technologies.

 

Combat value is not too bad, if you consider that without proper early detection assets, it is nigh-impossible to defend against.

Of course it's going to stick out rather obviously with the proper early detection assets.

Anyone playing a "stealth" hypersonic missile is going far beyond capabilities for CNRP.

 

 

General(issimo) Commentary: 

You overall points on capabilities are overall correct Evangeline Anovilis.


Edited by Generalissimo, 20 July 2014 - 06:05 AM.


#9055 Evangeline Anovilis

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 06:11 AM

First, the tech scale goes to 2024, not 2022. It goes exactly 10 years into the future, on January 1st 2015, the max year will be lifted to 2025.

 

On whether or not something with better performance will be possible prior to 2024, we'll see. Given it was an intentional limitation, not an issue that cropped up and limited it, I would however not be stating that it cannot be improved. If someone can make a convincing and well-founded argument, it ought to be reviewed.

 

325 miles, while I only have an idea of what kilometres are, sounds like a decent range for an anti-ship missile, which most likely is the going to be the main application of the technology. If we calculate the time this missile spends within range of anti-air systems and CIWS, the technology is quite promising. Even in case you are not using a sea-skimming approach. Where it sticks out is most of all IR signature, but IR needs visual contact and by the time you pick up the missile from a surface-based asset, it's maybe 20-25 km in, which gives you not even half a minute for countermeasures at this speed.



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Posted 20 July 2014 - 06:23 AM

First, the tech scale goes to 2024, not 2022. It goes exactly 10 years into the future, on January 1st 2015, the max year will be lifted to 2025.

I fixed that little matter before you posted. . . so yeah.

Not your fault you couldn't see it before posting this.

 

On whether or not something with better performance will be possible prior to 2024, we'll see. Given it was an intentional limitation, not an issue that cropped up and limited it, I would however not be stating that it cannot be improved. If someone can make a convincing and well-founded argument, it ought to be reviewed.

Difference being though it's not strictly 2024 technology.

Not strictly intentional-ish limitation for speed though.

Hypersonic stuff has a few hard limitations right now.

Not flying maximum speed beyond five minutes.

In theory maybe a bigger one could be constructed. . .

. . . if you're willing to launch from a B-52.

 

Where it sticks out is most of all IR signature, but IR needs visual contact and by the time you pick up the missile from a surface-based asset, it's maybe 20-25 km in, which gives you not even half a minute for countermeasures at this speed.

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Under slightly half a minute is theoretically enough for a 1990's era Phalanx. (If they launched just one)



#9057 Evangeline Anovilis

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 06:41 AM

First off, if I can launch a 1,000 km range hypersonic cruise missile from a bomber, this is actually a sound idea.

 

Second, you fail to address that the CIWS, while having a short reaction time has a range of at most 5 km. So, this system has not even 3 seconds to react. I'd say it is not too likely to intercept much.



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Posted 20 July 2014 - 06:45 AM

First off, if I can launch a 1,000 km range hypersonic cruise missile from a bomber, this is actually a sound idea.

You need something with roughly size and stability of a B-52 though.

Most people in CNRP don't like slowboating bombers.

(Missile itself will be hybersonic for only a few minutes

Of course it could possibly cruise around slower beforehand

Fuel is the limiting factor on that)



#9059 Evangeline Anovilis

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 06:52 AM

I'd use slow strategic bombers, if I was not limited. Triyun uses them, as far as I know. Maybe some others too.

 

The missile will be on high speed for quite a long time. To cruise at significantly slower speed is not economic and would require a second engine. This would make it a multi-stage missile with maybe a turbojet or rocket engine for first phase, until it is jettisonned and the missile transitions into hypersonic. Only such would it be economic. Naturally, this would need a larger launch platform.



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Posted 20 July 2014 - 03:27 PM

Alright folks, with my term as GM up and following the latest events, I think I'll (sort of) retire from CNRP. I may not be the oldest nation around, but I do feel kind of like the times have changed too much for me to find much enjoyment in staying. I'm going to think for the next few days whether to stay in Faraway as 25th day poster or to just leave outright, but I guess given the activity levels and interest in my country, people wouldn't mind when I take my time with deciding or won't even notice a change.

 

I'm going to stay in CNRP2, for about as long as it takes before it once again becomes retarded.

 

Take care and I hope you all will have a good time.






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