A Statement from Doomhouse

[Kilkenny]

[quote name='General Scipio' timestamp='1300938568' post='2674340']
1 nation can nuke 6 nations in one day while only taking one nuke in return. The added tech bonus won't make up for the damage of those extra nukes.
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Seriously?? you mean the guy with the most tech doesn't do the most damage with his nukes?? You mean his GA's don't do more damage?? I would have sworn there was a tech advantage to damage.

Plus, let's add this up...NPO has 3 people to attack with nukes, plus trying to get them trough a SDI...his opponents are firing 1 every 3 days (unless they let the guy with the most tech go by himself) how long can the NPO nation keep it up until he runs out of nukes?? (not counting any that might be spied away) There is a very good chance that he is out of nukes by the first round....then what does he do??

[Dochartaigh]

[quote name='General Scipio' timestamp='1300938568' post='2674340']
1 nation can nuke 6 nations in one day while only taking one nuke in return. The added tech bonus won't make up for the damage of those extra nukes.
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For how long? NPO nations would be heavily outnumbered by DH/FAN/NoR. So, how long until NPO is down to only 2 nukes a day due to having a WRC? I would garner, under a week with SDIs and spying. Which means that after the first week, NPO would be stuck taking a nuke a day whereas DH/FAN/NoR would not longer have to worry about having 6 nations nuked per 1 NPO.

The added tech bonus over the next 2-3 weeks would most assuredly make up for and exceed the damage from those few extra nukes in the first week.

Again, it appears DH thinks that the rest of CN is just utterly stupid and inept about CN. These blatant lies ya'll spreading is some of the stupidest crap ever.

[Kilkenny]

[quote name='General Scipio' timestamp='1300938495' post='2674339']
If you actually believe DH would go back on their word and not give peace after a month you are literally stupid.
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At what point has DH shown it can be trusted??

edit: it would be too easy to manipulate...too many turtles (if they choose that option), not enough nations out of PM, not enough damage...still a threat (DH's current favorite)

Edited March 24, 2011 by Kilkenny

[Dochartaigh]

[quote name='Mogar' timestamp='1300938820' post='2674344']
Yes, I genuinely believe that this could easily be twisted to simply keep every Pacifica nation in war mode and being nuked to ZI/ZT, a la GATO so many years ago.
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But Mogar, DH never has any ulterior motives whatsoever. They don't blatantly lie to everyone about simple facts. Why would they ever lie about this? DH is without backup don't you know. PB and CnG won't help out DH should any alliance attempt to enforce their 1 month war limit. Which means any and all alliances are free to hit DH without worry. Right? Right?

[General Scipio]

[quote name='Charles Stuart' timestamp='1300938772' post='2674343']
They have to accept it sometime, and when they do, it is quickly looted.



So says the fool.
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Good to know I'm a fool cause I pointed out that nations can keep aid pending. Man you NPO posters are great!

[quote name='Mogar' timestamp='1300938820' post='2674344']
Yes, I genuinely believe that this could easily be twisted to simply keep every Pacifica nation in war mode and being nuked to ZI/ZT, a la GATO so many years ago.
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[quote name='Kilkenny' timestamp='1300938969' post='2674348']
At what point has DH shown it can be trusted??
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When has DH showed it can't be trusted? Not giving NPO peace would be political suicide, all but ensuring they lose the next war. It makes zero sense not to give NPO peace. You guys are dumb.

[General Scipio]

[quote name='Dochartaigh' timestamp='1300938946' post='2674347']
For how long? NPO nations would be heavily outnumbered by DH/FAN/NoR. So, how long until NPO is down to only 2 nukes a day due to having a WRC? I would garner, under a week with SDIs and spying. Which means that after the first week, NPO would be stuck taking a nuke a day whereas DH/FAN/NoR would not longer have to worry about having 6 nations nuked per 1 NPO.

The added tech bonus over the next 2-3 weeks would most assuredly make up for and exceed the damage from those few extra nukes in the first week.

Again, it appears DH thinks that the rest of CN is just utterly stupid and inept about CN. These blatant lies ya'll spreading is some of the stupidest crap ever.
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After the first week the upper tier nations are in the mid teir where the won't be so badly outnumbered.

[Dochartaigh]

[quote name='General Scipio' timestamp='1300939119' post='2674350']
When has DH showed it can't be trusted? Not giving NPO peace would be political suicide, all but ensuring they lose the next war. It makes zero sense not to give NPO peace. You guys are dumb.
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Right because DH is in no way allied to PB or CnG. Not to mention the ties to SF, Sparta, MHA, Argent, and many other alliances. Sure, you may loose some, but ya'll won't lose PB, CnG, Argent, and most of the rest. Which means no, you could lie through your teeth and after the 1 month is up, continue to hit NPO/co. Who exactly could do anything at that moment? Most who just might would still be recovering from the VE-Polar war and the rest have no real love for NPO to attempt to martyr themselves.

The next war would still be a win for DH and you know it. You are stupid if you think otherwise and quite arrogant to think the rest of CN is as stupid.

[Mogar]

[quote name='Dochartaigh' timestamp='1300939117' post='2674349']
But Mogar, DH never has any ulterior motives whatsoever. They don't blatantly lie to everyone about simple facts. Why would they ever lie about this? DH is without backup don't you know. PB and CnG won't help out DH should any alliance attempt to enforce their 1 month war limit. Which means any and all alliances are free to hit DH without worry. Right? Right?
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rite!
[quote name='General Scipio' timestamp='1300939119' post='2674350']
When has DH showed it can't be trusted? Not giving NPO peace would be political suicide, all but ensuring they lose the next war. It makes zero sense not to give NPO peace. You guys are dumb.
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Giving Pacifica peace would be Tactical suicide according to the logic shown by attacking them in the first place, their continued existence is enough of a threat to Doomhouse to destroy them, isn't it? One day, they might attack you, maybe.
[quote name='General Scipio' timestamp='1300939217' post='2674352']
After the first week the upper tier nations are in the mid teir where the won't be so badly outnumbered.
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except for the massive tech advantage DH has, sure.

Edited March 24, 2011 by Mogar

[Gottrich Northeim]

Well written, and an honourable request from Doom House. The tactics being used by NPO remind me of an old Pacifican propaganda piece, "[i]You say you want war, then why do you squirm when we give it to you?[/i]" It seems almost humorous in the current situation.

[General Scipio]

[quote name='Dochartaigh' timestamp='1300939353' post='2674353']
Right because DH is in no way allied to PB or CnG. Not to mention the ties to SF, Sparta, MHA, Argent, and many other alliances. Sure, you may loose some, but ya'll won't lose PB, CnG, Argent, and most of the rest. Which means no, you could lie through your teeth and after the 1 month is up, continue to hit NPO/co. Who exactly could do anything at that moment? Most who just might would still be recovering from the VE-Polar war and the rest have no real love for NPO to attempt to martyr themselves.

The next war would still be a win for DH and you know it. You are stupid if you think otherwise and quite arrogant to think the rest of CN is as stupid.
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Commiting an act of political suicide is not a smart thing in a game based on years. Look at NpO in Bi-Polar.

[Mogar]

[quote name='General Scipio' timestamp='1300939570' post='2674358']
Commiting an act of political suicide is not a smart thing in a game based on years. Look at NpO in Bi-Polar.
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Pacifica was able to do the same thing you're currently attempting to quite a few alliances before their time came, and based off the current political climate, DH would be able to get away with it for quite some time unless something drastic occurred.

[General Scipio]

[quote name='Mogar' timestamp='1300939642' post='2674360']
Pacifica was able to do the same thing you're currently attempting to quite a few alliances before their time came, and based off the current political climate, DH would be able to get away with it for quite some time unless something drastic occurred.
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Name one alliance NPO offered peace to that didn't get it. Name an alliance that NPO maliciously tricked into walking into a slaughter. It never happened, it won't happen now. It would make zero sense for DH to do so. I'm sure deep down you people actually know this, you just like being contradictory.

Edited March 24, 2011 by General Scipio

[Dochartaigh]

[quote name='General Scipio' timestamp='1300939217' post='2674352']
After the first week the upper tier nations are in the mid teir where the won't be so badly outnumbered.
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Which ones? You mean outnumbering NPO by 42-9 in the over 100k NS range (with just MK/Umbrella) and 70-28 in the 60k-99k (again just MK/Umbrella) means that you don't badly outnumber NPO in the mid tier? This is not including GOONS/NoR/FAN by the way. just the numbers from MK/Umbrella.

So again, please stop with the lies. It is getting quite ridiculous.

Hell, for you I will add in FAN/NoR/GOONS. Total is 53 nations over 100k for DH/FAN/NoR vs 9 for NPO. Total is 111 60k to 99k nations for DH/FAN/NoR vs 28 for NPO. So, you state that they won't be that badly outnumbered after the first round right? How is having 164 nations vs 37 not heavily outnumbered? but wait, you must include the number of NPO nations in the mid tier that would no longer be in the mid tier. Considering how heavily outnumbered NPO is above 60k NS, every single one of their nations will be hit by at least 3 nations in their upper range which would mean more damage being done to NPO nations than NPO is dishing out.

[rapmanej]

[quote name='Mogar' timestamp='1300938146' post='2674335']
out of curiosity, does anyone genuinely believe Pacifica would just be given peace after a month, or would they have their nations staggered and beaten down forever?
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Yes to the first question.

[Kilkenny]

[quote name='General Scipio' timestamp='1300939570' post='2674358']
Commiting an act of political suicide is not a smart thing in a game based on years. Look at NpO in Bi-Polar.
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How is this hold up for destroying NPO's upper tier working for you then?? If not granting peace in 30 days is political suicide, how is keeping them at war until they allow you to destroy their upper tier any different??

And let's be honest...you attacked NPO based on the fact they were a threat and you haven't taken the "political suicide" bullet...why would continueing the war beyond 30 days because they are a threat be any different?? I am sure you and your buddies have a multitude of examples of how NPO did worse back when they were in power.

[Dochartaigh]

[quote name='General Scipio' timestamp='1300939737' post='2674361']
Name one alliance NPO offered peace to that didn't get it. Name an alliance that NPO maliciously tricked into walking into a slaughter. It never happened, it won't happen now. It would make zero sense for DH to do so. I'm sure deep down you people actually know this, you just like being contradictory.
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FAN. Using terms similar to this. Shocker right. There, now that I named an alliance for both your examples, can you please stop with you inane justifications?

[Mogar]

[quote name='General Scipio' timestamp='1300939737' post='2674361']
Name one alliance NPO offered peace to that didn't get it. Name an alliance that NPO maliciously tricked into walking into a slaughter. It never happened, it won't happen now. It would make zero sense for DH to do so. I'm sure deep down you people actually know this, you just like being contradictory.
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uh, I dunno how much you remember about history, but this same exact event occurred to GATO, FAN(more than likely the entire reason for this current "statement" is to get revenge for asking FAN to enter war mode for a month before they'd receive peace), ONOS, and others, specifically the "maliciously tricked into walking into a slaughter", part of GATO's terms to even get to the negotiation table was to have every single GATO nation in war mode and taking damage.

[General Scipio]

[quote name='Dochartaigh' timestamp='1300939853' post='2674363']
Which ones? You mean outnumbering NPO by 42-9 in the over 100k NS range (with just MK/Umbrella) and 70-28 in the 60k-99k (again just MK/Umbrella) means that you don't badly outnumber NPO in the mid tier? This is not including GOONS/NoR/FAN by the way. just the numbers from MK/Umbrella.

So again, please stop with the lies. It is getting quite ridiculous.

Hell, for you I will add in FAN/NoR/GOONS. Total is 53 nations over 100k for DH/FAN/NoR vs 9 for NPO. Total is 111 60k to 99k nations for DH/FAN/NoR vs 28 for NPO. So, you state that they won't be that badly outnumbered after the first round right? How is having 164 nations vs 37 not heavily outnumbered? but wait, you must include the number of NPO nations in the mid tier that would no longer be in the mid tier. Considering how heavily outnumbered NPO is above 60k NS, every single one of their nations will be hit by at least 3 nations in their upper range which would mean more damage being done to NPO nations than NPO is dishing out.
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Yeah, I said they were outnumbered in the high tier. Everyone knows that. Fighting three wars they are launching more nukes balencing out the ratios. NPO still might lose more. After that they won't all be above 60k but will be in the mid tier where the fight will be more even. Also you never threw NPO's allies into the consideration.

Sure it may not be dead even in terms of damage, but it will be close. NPO isn't getting white peace, they need to accept the deal and deal out as much damage. It really is the best deal they'll get.

Edited March 24, 2011 by General Scipio

[Kilkenny]

[quote name='General Scipio' timestamp='1300939737' post='2674361']
Name one alliance NPO offered peace to that didn't get it. Name an alliance that NPO maliciously tricked into walking into a slaughter. It never happened, it won't happen now. It would make zero sense for DH to do so. I'm sure deep down you people actually know this, you just like being contradictory.
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Uh, really?? uhm, how about FAN...they ring a bell???

[Sardonic]

NPO has nothing to fear about us honoring our end of the bargain, I would stake the entire sum of GOONS expected reparations on it.

[Goldie]

[quote name='Mogar' timestamp='1300938146' post='2674335']
out of curiosity, does anyone genuinely believe Pacifica would just be given peace after a month, or would they have their nations staggered and beaten down forever?
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I genuinely believe that. But what do I know, I just talk to GOONS/Umb leadership daily

[Kilkenny]

[quote name='General Scipio' timestamp='1300940150' post='2674369']
Yeah, I said they were outnumbered in the high tier. Everyone knows that. Fighting three wars they are launching more nukes balencing out the ratios. [b]NPO still might lose more[/b]. After that they won't all be above 60k but will be in the mid tier where the fight will be more even. Also you never threw NPO's allies into the consideration.
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You sir are a complete and utter idiot. or you believe that all of CN is idiots to believe that.

Anyone who has fought on either end of a 3v1 where the 3 are bigger than the 1 knows that for a day or two (at most) you can hang in there, then you start sliding back until you are, hopefully, launching nukes...most likely by that time you are out and hoping the 2 (if you have a WRC) you buy get through...but then one of the guys on you isn't getting nuked (if both go through)

[General Scipio]

[quote name='Kilkenny' timestamp='1300939991' post='2674365']
How is this hold up for destroying NPO's upper tier working for you then?? If not granting peace in 30 days is political suicide, how is keeping them at war until they allow you to destroy their upper tier any different??

And let's be honest...you attacked NPO based on the fact they were a threat and you haven't taken the "political suicide" bullet...why would continueing the war beyond 30 days because they are a threat be any different?? I am sure you and your buddies have a multitude of examples of how NPO did worse back when they were in power.
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Difference is that NPO has the option. It's them keeping themselves at war.

[quote name='Dochartaigh' timestamp='1300940041' post='2674367']
FAN. Using terms similar to this. Shocker right. There, now that I named an alliance for both your examples, can you please stop with you inane justifications?
[/quote]FAN was attacked for violating peace terms. I'll grant you that NPO tricked them into walking into a slaughter with their faux terms. FAN was never offered peace in their second war. If NPO had said that they would get peace, and then tricked them I'd grant the point.


[quote name='Mogar' timestamp='1300940107' post='2674368']
uh, I dunno how much you remember about history, but this same exact event occurred to GATO, FAN(more than likely the entire reason for this current "statement" is to get revenge for asking FAN to enter war mode for a month before they'd receive peace), ONOS, and others, specifically the "maliciously tricked into walking into a slaughter", part of GATO's terms to even get to the negotiation table was to have every single GATO nation in war mode and taking damage.
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Difference is GATO's terms were member based, and they were all threatned with eternal ZI. Only the alliance is getting threatned here. NPO's nations are free to surrender, they will not be persecuted for following orders. I don't believe FAN was offered terms where they would get peace if they fought for a month. ONOS got terms and surrendered without being forced out of peace mode.

[Mogar]

[quote name='General Scipio' timestamp='1300940506' post='2674375']
Difference is GATO's terms were member based, and they were all threatned with eternal ZI. Only the alliance is getting threatned here. NPO's nations are free to surrender, they will not be persecuted for following orders. I don't believe FAN was offered terms where they would get peace if they fought for a month. ONOS got terms and surrendered without being forced out of peace mode.
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as someone in TPF's gov at the time of all 3 of those wars, ONOS got harsher terms due to peace mode, FAN was given the option but refused it, understandably so since I dont think many would trust the guy with a boot on your throat, and GATO's were member based whichi is similar to this, it isnt a certain percentage of nations, it's simply their larger nations to remove their ability to rebuild once the war is over.

[HHAYD]

I seriously hope DH doesn't think that double punishment is perfectly okay. You pressed reps onto NPO after Karma War, well aware that the main reason for the war being expanded and extended is vengeance.

Now that you got your vengeance, you still want to hunt NPO? You don't treat your members that way I hope, punish them, wait for about two years and then punish them again for the same crime they paid.

Edited March 24, 2011 by HHAYD