Thorgrum Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 I predict this thread goes on for 5 or so more pages then gets locked at which point the drama fizzles out and nothing happens. That would be tragic, I mean someone has to declare on NSO right? Otherwise all these chest thumpers proclaiming the NSO are cowards, would inturn have to proclaim the other parties involved in the last few days spats are cowards too. thats at least worth another 10 pages, you should be more optomistic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wad of Lint Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 I predict this thread goes on for 5 or so more pages then gets locked at which point the drama fizzles out and nothing happens. Race you to the finish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daikos Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 That would be tragic, I mean someone has to declare on NSO right? Otherwise all these chest thumpers proclaiming the NSO are cowards, would inturn have to proclaim the other parties involved in the last few days spats are cowards too. thats at least worth another 10 pages, you should be more optomistic I could type up an ultimatum but I smell Christmas cookies being made and it is very distracting me. Although I heard Ivan gets home today that could push this into 15+ pages with a good post or two by him. Perhaps I'll borrow some of your optimism Thorgrum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta1212 Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 Haha, wow. So anyway, when do DF get their reps for the NSO members attacking them? I believe the precedent for multiple members going rogue and being subsequently expelled from their alliance is 300 tech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wad of Lint Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 Haha, wow.So anyway, when do DF get their reps for the NSO members attacking them? I believe the precedent for multiple members going rogue and being subsequently expelled from their alliance is 300 tech. Would you like us to fill their slots so you actually have something to complain about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta1212 Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 Would you like us to fill their slots so you actually have something to complain about? Aid or war slots? Actually, I'd be entertained by the result of either one, so I'll just go ahead and say yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dochartaigh Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 I think you're misunderstanding where exactly I stand here. NoV was attacked and utterly destroyed for unsubstantiated OOC claims. I obviously wasn't cool with that. DF has not attacked NSO nor destroyed them and the only thing I've said so far is that people shouldn't discount the possibility of NSO being at fault simply because the evidence is weak. I'm not saying any action should be taken, I'm simply saying that given the well documented controversial nature of NSO members that something like this would not be unheard of. Am I calling for their destruction? Of course not. So cool your guns man, no hypocrite here. I'm just trying to get a more rounded and healthy look at the whole ordeal. so you think that NSO should be allowed to be accused of unsubstantiated OOC claims without any proof. the controversial nature of NSO is just even weaker evidence. NoV was the remnants of NoR which had many WS and nazis in it. there was more proof that NoV should have had WS and nazis in it based on the nature of NoV/NoR than that NSO is gonna ask /b/ to gore porn spam DF's forums. i would not go there as it opens the gates to making those unsubstantiated claims against NoV become substantiated since TPF was claiming that the nature of the members who made up NoV came from NoR and thus voila- nazis and WS people would be in NoV since they were in NoR. so yes, you are a hypocrite. the destruction of NoV is not what i was talking about, i was talking bout the fact that you did not like the unsubstantiated OOC claims that TPF were making. so yes, yes, you are a hypocrite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarikmo Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 Aid or war slots?Actually, I'd be entertained by the result of either one, so I'll just go ahead and say yes. one dollar, one tech, one soldier, NEXT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgrum Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 I could type up an ultimatum but I smell Christmas cookies being made and it is very distracting me. Although I heard Ivan gets home today that could push this into 15+ pages with a good post or two by him. Perhaps I'll borrow some of your optimism Thorgrum. Frankly, I have observed that anything from the Sith without Ivan is mostly useless anyway unless you like "no U" summations entertaining and all especially the reactions, particularly the threats back (which havent been followed up on with action either I might add). Hang in there, I suspect more is to come. B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinius the great Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 Nothing, absolutely nothing can justify this: http://www.cybernations.net/search_wars.as...yallexact=exact Two declarations of war this night. One nation in anarchy. So let me guess, you are scared to declare and so you order your nations to go rogue on us, amirite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wad of Lint Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 (edited) Nothing, absolutely nothing can justify this:http://www.cybernations.net/search_wars.as...yallexact=exact Two declarations of war this night. One nation in anarchy. So let me guess, you are scared to declare and so you order your nations to go rogue on us, amirite? No. Rogues are rogues. Take the tinfoil off. Edited December 23, 2009 by Wad of Lint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejayrazz Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 NSO, in all fairness, has been dealing with them two rogues if I recall correctly. One was tricked whilst the other was pretending to be a commander. If they plan on keeping their tricked member, I am sure they'll send reps. Other than that, they have no obligation if those members went rogue - fairness is fairness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daikos Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 Nothing, absolutely nothing can justify this:http://www.cybernations.net/search_wars.as...yallexact=exact Two declarations of war this night. One nation in anarchy. So let me guess, you are scared to declare and so you order your nations to go rogue on us, amirite? That was SOOO 4 pages ago Martinius It's okay I still love you. @Thorgrum: Well I hope something comes. [ooc] Filling out job applications makes Daikos a bored boy. I need CN drama breaks! [/ooc] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rnynyoichith Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 Nothing, absolutely nothing can justify this:http://www.cybernations.net/search_wars.as...yallexact=exact Two declarations of war this night. One nation in anarchy. So let me guess, you are scared to declare and so you order your nations to go rogue on us, amirite? Yes, that's exactly how it occurred. You've won a medal for your incredibly astute political observation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolverines1 Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 Please god no. I don't want to spend my Christmas dealing with this. Perhaps it will be resolved peacefully then, though that doesn't seem to be the desire of some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archon Daverin Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 What I am still trying to figure out is just how this thread managed to make it to thread 41 so fast. I can't even keep up with it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarikmo Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 What I am still trying to figure out is just how this thread managed to make it to thread 41 so fast. I can't even keep up with it! Never doubt the power of stupidity. Never. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejayrazz Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 Never doubt the power of stupidity. Never. Reminds me of the old days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
President S O Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 Dark Fist have handled this well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dochartaigh Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 An accusation does not require proof, and without proof it's nothing but an opinion. SCM stated in his OP that, given the circumstances, he thinks NSO did it. Responding to an accusation with threats of force is weak. Claiming an accusation is worthy of such threats shows what kind of person you are. then in that case, i accuse you of going on to /b/ and posting DF's forum link and a request for it to be gore porn spammed. it was you and no one else. To be fairly honest, what's wrong with that?It's up to you if you believe them or not, and to take it further, to take them seriously or not. Everyone could've formed it's own opinion, based on what both parties had to say about the matter on hand. The fact remains that this all started with an (as now seems) empty threat from Corinan to CSN. He could've avoided this mess, but chose not to. He pressed on and threatened DF with war. How silly can you be? then in that case, i accuse you of going on to /b/ and posting DF's forum link and a request for it to be gore porn spammed. it was you and no one else. We're not in a court of law. No-one is going to convict NSO of harbouring the person who did it. However, in the complete lack of evidence (which is a feature of /b/ invasions), to find the most likely culprit, you look at who would be most likely to do it – i.e. who had a motivation to do it. There isn't really a motivation for DF, CSN or anyone else who wanted to make NSO look bad, because their issuing threats to CSN and then failing to follow through was already quite sufficient to do that. Obviously most third parties who don't really care about either side don't have a motivation. NSO (or at least petty members of NSO) do have one, particularly in the spur of the moment when they were looking rather silly, so unless you can show evidence that points at someone else, that's the most likely.It's quite funny that, after making empty threats themselves, NSO and Frostbite are now trying to paint DF as cowardly for not running straight into their guns. We all get it, NSO will sit and posture and never come out from the safe shadow of Mother Polaris. there is actually quite a lot of motivation for DF and others to do something like this. it is called baiting. this whole thing could easily have been a bait to get NSO to declare war on DF, where zomg there is this big coalition ready to pounce at a moments notice. so yeah Bob, there actually is quite a lot of motivation for either DF or another outside party to have done the request on /b/. not to mention the satisfaction of having NSO being accused of doing something OOC of this manner considering Ivan's past is probably sitting well with others from that era. i would actually love to see this evidence that points it was NSO who did it? you wanna talk circumstantial i have tried the link that is supposed to go to /b/ and show how DF had their forums put up and it states not found.... Try it for yourself. so unless i am doing it wrong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Virginia Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 Nothing, absolutely nothing can justify this:http://www.cybernations.net/search_wars.as...yallexact=exact Two declarations of war this night. One nation in anarchy. So let me guess, you are scared to declare and so you order your nations to go rogue on us, amirite? I've already been over this with your leader. One of our nations went rogue, and ordered another too as well. Thinking that nation was in a position of authority, he went along with it. Now think about this for a second, as foreign a concept to you as thinking may be. Why would we send two of our larger nations out alone just to strike at you? We don't have many nations that size. Why would we waste them on a petty gesture? We wouldn't. Not unless we all planned to go in. This is a rogue action on our former member's part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejayrazz Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 I've already been over this with your leader. One of our nations went rogue, and ordered another too as well. Thinking that nation was in a position of authority, he went along with it.Now think about this for a second, as foreign a concept to you as thinking may be. Why would we send two of our larger nations out alone just to strike at you? We don't have many nations that size. Why would we waste them on a petty gesture? We wouldn't. Not unless we all planned to go in. This is a rogue action on our former member's part. The one mistaken, will he remain in the alliance? Cause if he is, he should pay reps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daikos Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 Dark Fist have handled this well. I'm not sure you quite understand what the tin foil hat meme is all about... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Virginia Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 The one mistaken, will he remain in the alliance? Cause if he is, he should pay reps. He never launched any attacks he tells me, and has since offered peace. Since he is hitting the same target as the other one I cannot confirm his story and will be waiting on battle reports from DF. If he did, however, make attacks, rest assured, everything will be sorted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejayrazz Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 He never launched any attacks he tells me, and has since offered peace. Since he is hitting the same target as the other one I cannot confirm his story and will be waiting on battle reports from DF. If he did, however, make attacks, rest assured, everything will be sorted. Very reasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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