Request to the CNRP-community

[Lynneth]

Option clarifications at the end of the post

Please read this carefully, or don't vote at all.

Okay, so I'm planning to build prototype walkers, 2-legged machines.

Hexapod robots (6-legged) and 4-legged walkers have been built more than once, working quite well.

4-legged walkers are even planned to be used in the US military. LSSS

The japanese have gone completely insane, building a human-sized android that can walk like a human. Pic01, Pic02

There's also the Land Walker. IRL, it can't walk, but that's easily changed, by implementing joints as used in the japanese Asimo, up-scaled.

There's also this table tennis playing robot.

More info about the Land Walker; Have the T-52 exoskeleton, also wiki.

There's also a goddamned tree-felling robot.

Now, as said, I want to build 2-legged robots, about 3.5 to 4 meters tall, capable of walking like a human, using weapons with their arms. It would have a 30mm autocannon as armament and be piloted by 1 man, like the Land Walker. Each would be goddamned expensive.

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"The result, when you throw in flexible aluminum alloys, seven engines, thirty helicopter motors and a computer fast-thinking enough to keep it upright, is $750m a piece. That would get you half a dozen Eurofighters, a trio of Raptors, or about 125,000,000 copies of Peggle."

Excepting the computer, this would be about as much as one of these prototypes costs. Most of you know that I'm one of the people trying to keep to a budget based on the GDP-calculations. The walker would at MOST be as powerful as a tank (most likely less, due to various problems) and mostly be used for propaganda and morale.

I would thus ask the community to approve of me building ten such prototypes. Please vote for the corresponding option in the poll, and post what you voted for.

Option 1 - No, walkers are mechs and that only leads to "lolGundam".

Option 2 - No, unless something major/minor is changed (Please post what would need to be changed)

Option 3 - Yes, but only for Character RPs, and not in wars.

Option 4 - Yes. Also usable in wars provided all participants agree to their use.

No option 5 that would allow unrestricted walkers.

I don't intend for this to be a discussion thread, just something so I know if the community would let me build walkers or not. If you intend to discuss, though, feel free to do so. I won't stop you.

Edited December 21, 2009 by Lynneth

[Lynneth]

Note: I nulled my vote. I don't want my opinion (which would be #4), but that of the community.

[hawk11]

I voted three, my logic on this being the following: allowing them in wars and means we now need to make the distinction between how many tanks (I'm assuming they'd count as tanks) are actually tracked vehicles and how many are walkers. If all the participants do not agree, it is entirely possible that Nation A, who invested heavily in walker systems, now has an unusable 50% of their tank force. I feel this would be unfair to the nations who invest in them, but I'm not opposed to everyone who wants their walkers to have them in character RPs that don't affect others.

Just keep it sane.

[Il Terra Di Agea]

Voted option four, however, there would have to be some restriction to keep them realistic (Ie, that tree felling machine with a gun rather than a ninety foot tall spindly super cannon coated monster thing)

[Lynneth]

I voted three, my logic on this being the following: allowing them in wars and means we now need to make the distinction between how many tanks (I'm assuming they'd count as tanks) are actually tracked vehicles and how many are walkers. If all the participants do not agree, it is entirely possible that Nation A, who invested heavily in walker systems, now has an unusable 50% of their tank force. I feel this would be unfair to the nations who invest in them, but I'm not opposed to everyone who wants their walkers to have them in character RPs that don't affect others.

Just keep it sane.

Possible solutions could be:

A) If not all agree, the walkers simply are 'turned' into tanks (magically), or

B ) It's not allowed to build more than, say, 1% of your tank count as walkers. For me, that would be 155, and each costing a very low 500 million, this would result in this walker "army" costing 77.5 billion.

Edit: And of course, as ITDA said, realism and sanity would need to be applied.

Edited December 21, 2009 by Lynneth

[Subtleknifewielder]

Option 4.

As long as they are kept realistic, and you seem to have worked with that in mind, I have no objection to them.

[Lavo]

Uhhh, walkers already exist in CNRP. I've been using them since before the current CNRP "generation" (aka. Scramble Threads) existed. Edit: And to be precise, I was the first (or one of) to use AT-ST style walkers. Edit 2: Lynneth, that's no walker, that's a bloody Gundam/mech. Although I voted 4, when taking into account what Lyn actually wants and not what a walker actually is, I'm going for 3.

Edited December 21, 2009 by Lavo_2

[Sargun II]

Option four.

I'd say as long as the mechs/walkers/lolGundams don't use beam weapons or !@#$ like that and both parties accept it, there should be no problem. I would rather like to have a few mechs for like an "Honor Guard" or deep desert combat (like 15 overall) but even then I wouldn't use them unless the other party accepted it.

Edited December 22, 2009 by Sargun

[HHAYD]

Option four. I do not expect the robotic walkers to have heavier armoring or weapons than most tracked/wheeled vehicle since they can't tolerate as much weight.

[Shadowsage]

Option 4, but keep it realistic. And sell me the technology.

[Subtleknifewielder]

Option 4, but keep it realistic. And sell me the technology.

Oh, that reminds me...sell us the tech too!

[Mergerberger II]

Option 3, because people won't keep it realistic.

[Razgriz 2K9]

Option 4, though 2-legged models are still impractical to use using current technology (and in any case any future 21st century technology), however, 4 legged and 6-legged models are more practical, though are probably limited to a nation with at least 1500-2000 tech.

[Generalissimo]

Nothing more advanced than weaponized robots currently field deployed in real life, which extends to the Samsung SGR-A1 exclusively.

Samsung SGR-A1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_SGR-A1)

I’ll accept any ruling so long as Botha’s Centurion tanks can still beat any walker.

[Razgriz 2K9]

Unless Botha's Centurions are not those old relics and carry MMM's, I don't see it being possible.

[AmpaSand]

I vote option 1.

[Tahsir]

Unless Botha's Centurions are not those old relics and carry MMM's, I don't see it being possible.

I voted option 1. I have highlighted the main issue I find with "walkers", and how most people view them

[Razgriz 2K9]

You probably wouldn't worry, I never carry such weapons anyway (prefers Submersible Aircraft Carriers)

[Yawoo]

Voted Option 1, people will just go crazy if we start letting these kind of things in.

[Markus Wilding]

I voted Option 4, if it makes sense that he can develop them, he should be able to use them in wars. Even then, he could restrict them to police use or just a "for fun" thing his people have.

[Tahsir]

I voted Option 4, if it makes sense that he can develop them, he should be able to use them in wars. Even then, he could restrict them to police use or just a "for fun" thing his people have.

You seemed to miss reading the part that said the entire CNRP community would have them, not just lynneth. Would that change your vote knowing that everyone gets them?

[Subtleknifewielder]

You seemed to miss reading the part that said the entire CNRP community would have them, not just lynneth. Would that change your vote knowing that everyone gets them?

Not everyone...just those with busloads of tech...

[Lavo]

I think and important fact to note is that Lynneth's request is for something that is more a mech than a walker. Walkers have and do exist in CNRP (see myself and Martens for examples). Mechs on the other hand, even if short, have been shot down/retconned out of CNRP (see Mercy's Knightmares for example). As such, I do not believe that walkers are a problem, but mechs/Gundams/Knightmares are.

Edited December 22, 2009 by Lavo_2

[Razgriz 2K9]

Are you sure about that, I've never seen anyone use walkers.

As for mechs, there are very impractical, unless it was a 4 or 6-legged MBT if that counts as such.

[Lynneth]

To clear up, I'll show pictures of what I'd want to have prototypes of eventually, though most likely not mass-production models.

And its description would probably be somewhat different from the actual pictures here.

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For me, it's a walker, because it walks on 2 legs and has nowhere the capabilities of animu-mech or lolgundam.

Edit: Also, lolAvatar-movie, because that's where I stole this from

Edited December 22, 2009 by Lynneth