Fall Grau

[Kaiser Martens]

OOC: Oh I'll go and look for it. It was one of my earliest threads after I became Germany. In fact the whole German border is fortified, but our well-founded paranoia made us make the then-austrian fortifications stronger and stronger over time.

[Uberstein]

OOC: Take your time, hardly an urgent matter. I'm going to be comatose from all the food tonight (Thanksgiving roast...mmmmmm). I probably should put more RP into building my own defenses while I'm at it.

[Kaiser Martens]

OOC: This is the oldest mention I could find.

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?s...c=69099&hl=

Either way now that the war is over I need to take better care of my nation and need to start developing more things and keeping track of other things.

[Lavo]

The war in Europe appears to be over. However, there are those that still need to be held accountable. The Holy Roman Empire operates under the false pretenses that it can invade any nation it pleases. Then, they can withdraw like nothing ever occurred. We would like to inform the Holy Roman Empire that they are operating under false delusions, if they believe that is how the world operates. The invasion, of the neutral nation of Deutschland, has caused billions in damages, both militarily and economically.

However, the military part of the war does not concern us. We are concerned with the civilians who were injured in the conflict and those who’s lives have been changed forever after the forces of the Holy Roman Empire invaded their homeland. The unwarranted aggression of the Holy Roman Empire also concerns us greatly. It is for that reason alone that we present the following list of terms to the Holy Roman Empire, to officially end this conflict.

• 1. The Holy Roman Empire pays Deutschland 800 billion in reparations for the unwarranted attack.
  
• 2. Being that the Holy Roman Empire is a threat to all in Europe, especially to those that do not abide by their set standards for ideological practices, we demand they demobilize 50% of their armed forces.
  
• 3. The Holy Roman Empire signs a permanent non-aggression pact with all nations of Europe, to prevent any hostile actions in the future.
  

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In keeping with our goal of a peaceful and prosperous Europe and Asia, the Eurasian Union will be establishing a permanent task force in Europe. The Eurasian Rapid Deployment Force will be based in Europe and will be tasked with rapid deployment to hotspots around the continent. A joint command will be set up to manage this force.

Signed,

The Eurasian Union

Edited November 27, 2009 by Lavo_2

[Centurius]

**Classified**

The Empire moves to Defcon 1 and all Nuclear Weapons are aimed at EU capitals.

**Public**

Outrageous again the EU shows their true colors. We will stand by the HRE against these fascist oppressors.

[Malatose]

**Classified**

The Empire moves to Defcon 1 and all Nuclear Weapons are aimed at EU capitals.

**Public**

Outrageous again the EU shows their true colors. We will stand by the HRE against these fascist oppressors.

Either way you look at it, the Holy Roman Empire committed an act of aggression. Should they be allowed to just walk away with a slap on the wrist? Absolutely not. The various nations that made up the Greater Nordic Reich weren't allowed to walk away from their crimes, after their unwarranted act of aggression on the Republic of Finland. Their leaders were tried and executed for their actions. If anything, the Holy Roman Empire is getting a much lighter sentence.

Edited November 27, 2009 by Malatose

[Centurius]

Either way you look at it, the Holy Roman Empire committed an act of aggression. Should they be allowed to just walk away with a slap on the wrist? Absolutely not. The various nations that made up the Greater Nordic Reich weren't allowed to walk away from their crimes. Their leaders were tried and executed for their actions. If anything, the Holy Roman Empire is getting a much lighter sentence.

There never were trials nor executions, neither were reparations demanded. Everyone got off with a white peace actually.

[Malatose]

There never were trials nor executions, neither were reparations demanded. Everyone got off with a white peace actually.

Then I suppose you missed the trials conducted in Finland, or the sentencing and execution of German officers who were responsible for the last great nuclear war in Europe. How about the hundreds arrested for de-nordification after the True European Coalition (OOC: I think that was the name) established a protectorate over the anarchied former states of the Greater Nordic Reich?

The Holy Roman Empire pretty much used the same excuse as the Greater Nordic Reich. "Our actions were justified, simply because they (the nation being attacked) represented a clear and present threat."

Edited November 27, 2009 by Malatose

[Centurius]

Then I suppose you missed the trials conducted in Finland, or the sentencing and execution of German officers who were responsible for the last great nuclear war in Europe.

The trials were cancelled and the only actual trials I knew about were by one of your own friends. Rebel Army.

[Lavo]

There never were trials nor executions, neither were reparations demanded. Everyone got off with a white peace actually.

"Incorrect. All the German officials that we could capture that had anything to do with the genocidal attacks on Rebel Army civilians are currently serving hard labour for life. A few have died by now, and they lie in unmarked graves in the desert."

[Malatose]

The trials were cancelled and the only actual trials I knew about were by one of your own friends. Rebel Army.

Those trials were justified, as the officers responsible committed acts of genocide. The trials against the ex-nordic leaders in Finland weren't. They were basically show trials, designed the feed the egos of the victors.

Edited November 27, 2009 by Malatose

[Sir Keshav IV]

The war in Europe appears to be over. However, there are those that still need to be held accountable. The Holy Roman Empire operates under the false pretenses that it can invade any nation it pleases. Then, they can withdraw like nothing ever occurred. We would like to inform the Holy Roman Empire that they are operating under false delusions, if they believe that is how the world operates. The invasion, of the neutral nation of Deutschland, has caused billions in damages, both militarily and economically.

However, the military part of the war does not concern us. We are concerned with the civilians who were injured in the conflict and those who’s lives have been changed forever after the forces of the Holy Roman Empire invaded their homeland. The unwarranted aggression of the Holy Roman Empire also concerns us greatly. It is for that reason alone that we present the following list of terms to the Holy Roman Empire, to officially end this conflict.

• 1. The Holy Roman Empire pays Deutschland 800 billion in reparations for the unwarranted attack.
  
• 2. Being that the Holy Roman Empire is a threat to all in Europe, especially to those that do not abide by their set standards for ideological practices, we demand they demobilize 50% of their armed forces.
  
• 3. The Holy Roman Empire signs a permanent non-aggression pact with all nations of Europe, to prevent any hostile actions in the future.
  

--

In keeping with our goal of a peaceful and prosperous Europe and Asia, the Eurasian Union will be establishing a permanent task force in Europe. The Eurasian Rapid Deployment Force will be based in Europe and will be tasked with rapid deployment to hotspots around the continent. A joint command will be set up to manage this force.

Signed,

The Eurasian Union

"By your logic, shouldn't RSSN be given similar terms for unwanted aggression? Oh wait, they are in the EU we forgot. What a bunch of hypocritical nations."

[Il Terra Di Agea]

Either way you look at it, the Holy Roman Empire committed an act of aggression. Should they be allowed to just walk away with a slap on the wrist? Absolutely not. The nations that made up the Greater Nordic Reich weren't allowed to walk away. Their leaders were tried and executed for their actions. If anything, the Holy Roman Empire is getting a much lighter sentence.

"As someone who attended every trial that was actually finished, I know for a fact that all the trials in Norway resulted in ZERO death sentence. The only GNR officials who died for their actions were those who took their own lives. None of the nations that formed from their ashes, even under the same leaders and ideals faced any reparations, treaties or demobilizations. Nordheim, who suffered the most surrender terms of any nation, only had to establish a DMZ and give up their nuclear weapons. The HRE is suffering much higher costs than any nation of Former Nordland."

OOC: Especially considering Voodoo went all !@#$%^& on the peace conferences.

Also, you could have checked and seen how all that went after you rage quit.

IC:

Then I suppose you missed the trials conducted in Finland, or the sentencing and execution of German officers who were responsible for the last great nuclear war in Europe. How about the hundreds arrested for de-nordification after the True European Coalition (OOC: I think that was the name) established a protectorate over the anarchied former states of the Greater Nordic Reich?

The Holy Roman Empire pretty much used the same excuse as the Greater Nordic Reich. "Our actions were justified, simply because they (the nation being attacked) represented a clear and present threat."

"We must once again remind you not to rewrite history. Not a single man or woman was executed, either in Finland, or any other nation running the trials after the fall of Nordland. There was no active 'De-Nordification' as you call it, taking place after the war, as you may have missed, the TEC (Yes, that was it's name) disbanded before trials were even completed. Any changes in nations were of their own accord, and even if you claim some conspiracy of destroying your 'Mighty Nordic Culture,' clearly they didn't do a good job. We must also remind you that none of the land became anarchic. After the war, Prussia went above and beyond their necessary rebuilding to take protection over the land, and even if our relations suffered after the fall of the CEU, they still prevented much of what you describe."

Edited November 27, 2009 by Il Terra Di Agea

[Lynneth]

The war in Europe appears to be over. However, there are those that still need to be held accountable. The Holy Roman Empire operates under the false pretenses that it can invade any nation it pleases. Then, they can withdraw like nothing ever occurred. We would like to inform the Holy Roman Empire that they are operating under false delusions, if they believe that is how the world operates. The invasion, of the neutral nation of Deutschland, has caused billions in damages, both militarily and economically.

However, the military part of the war does not concern us. We are concerned with the civilians who were injured in the conflict and those who’s lives have been changed forever after the forces of the Holy Roman Empire invaded their homeland. The unwarranted aggression of the Holy Roman Empire also concerns us greatly. It is for that reason alone that we present the following list of terms to the Holy Roman Empire, to officially end this conflict.

• 1. The Holy Roman Empire pays Deutschland 800 billion in reparations for the unwarranted attack.
  
• 2. Being that the Holy Roman Empire is a threat to all in Europe, especially to those that do not abide by their set standards for ideological practices, we demand they demobilize 50% of their armed forces.
  
• 3. The Holy Roman Empire signs a permanent non-aggression pact with all nations of Europe, to prevent any hostile actions in the future.
  

>>The invasion, of the neutral nation of Deutschland, has caused billions in damages, both militarily and economically. <<

They used hardware that was outdated even for them. They'd have phased these weapons out, anyways and now have the opportunity to rearm with more modern weaponry.

>>We are concerned with the civilians who were injured in the conflict and those who’s lives have been changed forever after the forces of the Holy Roman Empire invaded their homeland. <<

Actually, aside from planes, our forces didn't even leave our borders. The MBTs were too busy bombarding that overpriced border wall while the bombers focused entirely on military targets, those being SAM and AA sites, generally quite a bit away from any cities.

The only major damage was the overpriced wall.

#1: We will at most pay 200 billion. 95% of our forces didn't even get close to major cities.

#2: No. Send troops into our country to keep a check on our men if you must, but we will not reduce the military's numbers.

#3: Fine.

In keeping with our goal of a peaceful and prosperous Europe and Asia, the Eurasian Union will be establishing a permanent task force in Europe. The Eurasian Rapid Deployment Force will be based in Europe and will be tasked with rapid deployment to hotspots around the continent. A joint command will be set up to manage this force.

Signed,

The Eurasian Union

"Then go help Lubeck against the Netherlands. Go enforce peace!"

Edited November 27, 2009 by Lynneth

[Justinian the Mighty]

Either way you look at it, the Holy Roman Empire committed an act of aggression. Should they be allowed to just walk away with a slap on the wrist? Absolutely not. The various nations that made up the Greater Nordic Reich weren't allowed to walk away from their crimes, after their unwarranted act of aggression on the Republic of Finland. Their leaders were tried and executed for their actions. If anything, the Holy Roman Empire is getting a much lighter sentence.

Not one Nordic leader, military or therwise faced trial. Germany's ability to change the past to justify it's actions isn't fooling anyone. Even your own Visari escaped justice by committing suicide. No, they shouldn’t have walked away with just a slap on the wrist, but despite our protests they still got away with much less.

[comrade nikonov]

"The EU cannot speak for Europe. We Europeans... speak for Europe."

-Radio Free Belarus

[Uberstein]

"The EU cannot speak for Europe. We Europeans... speak for Europe."

-Radio Free Belarus

"Finally somebody I agree with. The Eurasian Union needs to realize that they are NOT Europe's police. If they don't stop RSSN aggression, and tend to randomly invade nations such as Belarus because they didn't read an up-to-date newpaper, I don't think I want them deciding what we can and cannot do." -President Uberstein

[Lavo]

Not one Nordic leader, military or therwise faced trial. Germany's ability to change the past to justify it's actions isn't fooling anyone. Even your own Visari escaped justice by committing suicide. No, they shouldn’t have walked away with just a slap on the wrist, but despite our protests they still got away with much less.

"Uhh, that's false. Do you want to see the Germans (OOC: GGR officers) working in the desert? Also, what Germany are you talking about? As well, last time I checked, Scholar Visari has never had anything to do with Dalmantia."

[Il Terra Di Agea]

"Uhh, that's false. Do you want to see the Germans (OOC: GGR officers) working in the desert? Also, what Germany are you talking about? As well, last time I checked, Scholar Visari has never had anything to do with Dalmantia."

"Where did the Wo/man say anything about Dalmatia? He stated that Visari escaped justice by taking his own life, not that he returned to found a new nation."

[Justinian the Mighty]

"Uhh, that's false. Do you want to see the Germans (OOC: GGR officers) working in the desert? Also, what Germany are you talking about? As well, last time I checked, Scholar Visari has never had anything to do with Dalmantia."

ooc: Scholar Visari touched all of Europe with his madness

ic: Those men are paying for crimes during their service to Germany, not Nordland. Their crimes related to the atrocities they committed in Europe have not been reconciled. Working a day in the deserts of the Rebel Army is nothing compared to the hard labor they'd be doing at the diamond mines in the wilderness of western Siberia.

Edited November 27, 2009 by Justinian the Mighty