Hell Scream Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Whoa man, he just said he was gonna see whats gonna happen with the bloc. No need to get all defensive and make wild statements like that. What if Rok wants to watch the bloc to see in the future if they could ally with one of the bloc alliances? sheesh........ It was a threat, what are you talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schattenmann Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 What if Rok wants to watch the bloc to see in the future if they could ally with one of the bloc alliances? sheesh........ Then it's the most odd opener for diplomacy that I've ever seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Archer Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 you certainly don't speak for RoK, This ^ Calm down guys, this is a topic about the new red bloc not RoK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muffasamini Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Whats interesting to me is, our signature on this pact is pending KARMA approval. Will they allow us to? Most most importantly, How long is it going to take them too. I'm betting a month. Actually, I'm betting they don't even consider it and hope that no one will pay attention long enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stumpy Jung Il Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 (edited) Whats interesting to me is, our signature on this pact is pending KARMA approval. Will they allow us to? Most most importantly, How long is it going to take them too. I'm betting a month. Actually, I'm betting they don't even consider it and hope that no one will pay attention long enough. Karma doesn't have to let you sign it at all actually. But its cool, keep trying to make people look bad for an agreement you guys signed and for a term that is something that NPO has used many times before (or worse, see: Viceroys). Edited August 11, 2009 by Stumpy Jung Il Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah Tintagyl Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 I'm glad to know the Justitia played a part in a new age that will come to Digiterra...Congratulations to all of you who are and helped make this what it is. Truly, the world is brightest at the dawn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Diorno Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 So NPO is signing treaties with members of vox now? I don't get it, where is the punchline? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francesca Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 This strikes me as overly hasty, but hey might as well give it a try. Au contraire, a great deal of time and effort has been spent in these accords. More than that, we are achieving a true spirit of friendship amongst signatories. I've spent many hours in #RedDawn, socialising and getting slaughtered in Scrabble. It's really quite fun. Whoa man, he just said he was gonna see whats gonna happen with the bloc. No need to get all defensive and make wild statements like that. What if Rok wants to watch the bloc to see in the future if they could ally with one of the bloc alliances? sheesh........ He made no such wild statements, and your attempts to smear him are quite pathetic to observe. But I suppose I should expect no less from someone who took orders on your alliance policy towards red unity from your protector Ragnarok, tried to set up a red unity treaty that excluded NPO (despite the fact that this defeats the purpose of red unity) and acted in a rude and aggressive way throughout discussions to everyone involved, before storming out of red unity discussions for the second time for no good reason. Just because you don't want this bloc to succeed doesn't mean you have to act in the same manner in this announcement as you did in the red unity negotiations. Now, I'll withdraw from this announcement, I think it would be unadvisable to continue my rant. After all, I might get hit by the toys as you throw them out of the pram. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schattenmann Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Karma doesn't have to let you sign it at all actually. But its cool, keep trying to make people look bad for an agreement you guys signed and for a term that is something that NPO has used many times before (or worse, see: Viceroys). The NPO has resigned itself to its present position; however, some moaning about the perceived sillyness of barrinf NPO from a Senate-sharing and trade treaty is to be expected. But, yes, it could be worse. I suspect the victors are more intelligent than to radicalize the defeated as they once were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schattenmann Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 So NPO is signing treaties with members of vox now? I don't get it, where is the punchline? Some of us are toying with militaries, some of us are politicians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hell Scream Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 So NPO is signing treaties with members of vox now? I don't get it, where is the punchline? Vox was NPO's puppet all along, you didn't know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadshot Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Looked up some stats for fun:The Destiny Project: 239 000 Crimson Guard: 162 000 The Moralist Front: 7822 Monolith: 162 000 Cult of Justitia: 33069 It will be interesting to see how this works out seeing as NPO makes up 9/10ths of the signatory strength. Nevertheless, definitely a step towards fixing red. Good luck. With all due respect I don't see that as being an issue. I was once in an alliance far smaller than Pacifica and was heard when I needed to say something. Also in my current alliance, we are far smaller than most, but I believe that our opinions are regarded as equal with that of our allies o/ NPO, CoJ, CG, er and all the rest of the ones I can't remember. It is nice to see Red is still a protected sphere, and cooperation amongst one time enemies. This is a great step toward the future, especially when/if Karma allows NPO's signature. Before anyone tries to dissect that, I understand it was a term agreed to, and have no qualms with it at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weirdgus Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 o/ Red Unity ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird of Passage Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Ahh, the measures that are taken to reduce factionalism. I favor war; however, I suppose that the Red Sphere is not required to be stained with its own color. Though I hold to the possibility that this may be a positive step, I shall hold my applause until there is some semblance of growth, as well as the end of Karma's terms to Pacifica. Godspeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeru Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 [OOC]Sieg Zeon![/OOC] I hope that this works out for all participants. Ave Red Team! o/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperium of Poliz Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 ^.^ Hooray for a real attempt at fixing the Big Red Problem! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francesca Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Vox was NPO's puppet all along, you didn't know? No, no, that's Blackstone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kriekfreak Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 This message is to all big unaligned nations above the 90k mark. It is now safe to join the red sphere and come out of peace mode. I'll be there to welcome you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafael Nadal Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Whats interesting to me is, our signature on this pact is pending KARMA approval. Will they allow us to? Most most importantly, How long is it going to take them too. I'm betting a month. Actually, I'm betting they don't even consider it and hope that no one will pay attention long enough. No, we will not allow you to, at this moment, and we have reasons other than,"I said so". This has already been brought up to those on the NPO front and we've already made our position clear to those members handling the situation from your alliance. Nice try playing the arbitrary dismissal card though, it was a valiant effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerdge Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 The times truly changed. I also don't see why Karma would object to the NPO "actually" signing this. C'mon, guys, be the nice ones! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francesca Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 No, we will not allow you to, at this moment, and we have reasons other than,"I said so". This has already been brought up to those on the NPO front and we've already made our position clear to those members handling the situation from your alliance. Nice try playing the arbitrary dismissal card though, it was a valiant effort. The reason Xiphosis supplied me was that Karma didn't want NPO signing new treaties at this time, which I thought was pathetic, given that NPO have shown willingness to move on from the Moldavi Doctrine, which was widely condemned by Karma, and sign a treaty that doesn't even have military clauses. The New Pacific Order may not be full signatories of this treaty at this time. However, my word means as much to me as any treaty, and NPO have my word that I will uphold the terms of this treaty with relation to them. NPO don't need to sign anything for the rest of us red micro-alliances to co-operate with them regarding the Senate, and economics, and to refrain from hostile activites towards them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francesca Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 (edited) Looked up some stats for fun:The Destiny Project: 239 000 Crimson Guard: 162 000 The Moralist Front: 7822 Monolith: 162 000 Cult of Justitia: 33069 It will be interesting to see how this works out seeing as NPO makes up 9/10ths of the signatory strength. Nevertheless, definitely a step towards fixing red. Good luck. Once before, eleven nations stood before the world and announced that they were going to attempt to achieve the impossible. They were mocked, ridiculed. However, within hours, their alliance exploded to over 200 members. Later they won a red senate seat, and changed the world as we know it. What does this tell you about the value of nation strength? [OOC] Oh, and see my signature. [/OOC] Edited August 11, 2009 by Francesca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafael Nadal Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 The reason Xiphosis supplied me was that Karma didn't want NPO signing new treaties at this time, which I thought was pathetic, given that NPO have shown willingness to move on from the Moldavi Doctrine, which was widely condemned by Karma, and sign a treaty that doesn't even have military clauses. The New Pacific Order may not be full signatories of this treaty at this time. However, my word means as much to me as any treaty, and NPO have my word that I will uphold the terms of this treaty with relation to them. NPO don't need to sign anything for the rest of us red micro-alliances to co-operate with them regarding the Senate, and economics, and to refrain from hostile activites towards them. I don't know what Xiph's exact words to you were, but it wasn't quite as arbitrary as "we don't want NPO to sign any treaties now", for no real reason other than to just say no to something NPO asked for. Also, this isn't a part of my though process regarding this, but just for argument's sake, color me skeptical about the retraction of the Moldavi Doctrine. I'm hardly sold on that being a completely genuine move. Are you going to try to sell me on their ending of hostilities with FAN as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francesca Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 I don't know what Xiph's exact words to you were, but it wasn't quite as arbitrary as "we don't want NPO to sign any treaties now", for no real reason other than to just say no to something NPO asked for.Also, this isn't a part of my though process regarding this, but just for argument's sake, color me skeptical about the retraction of the Moldavi Doctrine. I'm hardly sold on that being a completely genuine move. Are you going to try to sell me on their ending of hostilities with FAN as well? My point was rather that this was a step forwards, away from the Moldavi Doctrine. Would you prefer that NPO refused to sign red unity treaties because we were "invading" their sphere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafael Nadal Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 My point was rather that this was a step forwards, away from the Moldavi Doctrine. Would you prefer that NPO refused to sign red unity treaties because we were "invading" their sphere? The reason we denied them consent to sign this has very little to do with the treaty itself. And my real preference would be to have another power on red, or at least enough mid-sized alliances there that NPO would not make up such a disproportionate amount of the unity treaty's NS. But that's nothing specific to NPO; I wish all color spheres to be like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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