Alaskan Deployments

[Markus Wilding]

From the Director's desk, Markus Wilding

You people are nuts. Procinta hasn't bothered you until the White Cross meeting when you brought up that bloody Doctrine and threatened Procinta. Procinta isn't some force from Europe or Asia! They've been there for years and now suddenly thay're a threat? All they have in terms of militia is a Generalissmo with an M1 Garand.

Tahoe has grown power-hungry and imperalistic. They annexed their own protectorate, for God's sake! And now they threaten the tiny island nation without a military. Disgraceful.

[Lynneth]

From the Director's desk, Markus Wilding

You people are nuts. Procinta hasn't bothered you until the White Cross meeting when you brought up that bloody Doctrine and threatened Procinta. Procinta isn't some force from Europe or Asia! They've been there for years and now suddenly thay're a threat? All they have in terms of militia is a Generalissmo with an M1 Garand.

Tahoe has grown power-hungry and imperalistic. They annexed their own protectorate, for God's sake! And now they threaten the tiny island nation without a military. Disgraceful.

Statement from Lord Vetinari

"I must say, I do agree with Director Wilding.

The North American nations have gone nuts over this island, mobilizing thousands of soldiers against a nation that probably has a lower population than the number of men sent by Viniland!

Completely insane."

[DeSchaine]

Taeunas agrees. While we do consider the people of Tahoe to be our estranged kin, the government can be somewhat... hardnosed.

[Raritan]

To be honest, most of us here in Ardoria find this situation to be...amusing, to say the least. While Tahoe may have a legitimate claim over Hagemeister Island, as Procintia is commonly defined as owning the Aleutians, the deployment of a vast number of troops (which outnumber the entire population of Procintia) and running constant air patrols against a nation that has nothing even close to what amounts to a real air force is rather absurd. To do this against a nation which scarcely has a military at all is downright stupid.

-President Nathan Briar

[Michael McBride]

Xaristan is amused by this situation, especially with the amounts of monetary, military, and diplomatic capital being spent on something so insignificant as a rock in the middle of the Bering. We have no comment on the matter concerning sovereignty or anything of that sort as we consider Procinta an American nation, therefore their owning the island would not go against our beliefs or against AASSD.

[Generalissimo]

Statement from Lord Vetinari

"I must say, I do agree with Director Wilding.

The North American nations have gone nuts over this island, mobilizing thousands of soldiers against a nation that probably has a lower population than the number of men sent by Viniland!

Completely insane."

20,000 troops have been deployed to Anchorage and coastal Eastern Alaska as a preventive measure.

Congratulations, you’ve just deployed a force equal to the entire population of Procinctia.

All they have in terms of militia is a Generalissmo with an M1 Garand.

Following our re-demilitarization our military might is has been reduced to a single soldier, me. . . not that I’m not a significant military force by myself. Edited August 5, 2009 by Generalissimo

[Manetheren]

Tahoe has grown power-hungry and imperalistic. They annexed their own protectorate, for God's sake! And now they threaten the tiny island nation without a military. Disgraceful.

I will point out that the people of the protectorate voted to join the Tahoe Republic. Certain areas we initially included in the State of Alaska expressed discontent over the results of the vote and asked for a new vote including the option to join Viniland, which they later did. If we were imperialistic we would have sent troops in to enforce the results of a biased vote and told the people to shut up or put up. Instead, we believe in the will of the people and allow them to join whatever nation they want.

Our troop deployments are not a sign that we are going to take aggressive action against Procinctia but are rather a show that we are willing and capable of protecting the people in the State of Alaska who are threatened by Procinctia's claim over islands only a few miles off the coast.

The LT Vancouver is escorting a small convoy of fishing vessels through the Aleutian islands into the Bering Sea, where it will remain in contact with them should they be acosted by Procinctia.

[Markus Wilding]

Threatened? Suddenly they are threatened by a country that has been there long before Tahoe took the reigon? Dispicable. Totally dispicable.

[V The King]

Congratulations, you’ve just deployed a force equal to the entire population of Procinctia.

"We'd rather be prepared if the conflict happens to escalate because of foreign greed vested on the American continent. They are probably not going to see combat, though - hence they were not deployed nearby Procintia."

[JEDCJT]

Threatened? Suddenly they are threatened by a country that has been there long before Tahoe took the reigon? Dispicable. Totally dispicable.

"Infringing upon a nation's sovereignty over any part of its territory can be considered as a threat."

[hawk11]

***Private to Tahoe***

This situation could've been better resolved at a negotiating table. We'd have been happy to provide it.

-Your FPB ally.

[KaiserMelech Mikhail]

While we know all-too-well that Tahoe's strength will win them the islands in the end, we must support Procintia's claim, as they are the only ones to actually provide proof that they own the miserable spits of rock. If Tahoe can provide proof to fact that they own the land (OOC: show the post where you claim it), and not just keep repeating that it's theirs, I will change my stance, and I'm sure that the rest of their opponents would give a second thought.

[Subtleknifewielder]

I will point out that the people of the protectorate voted to join the Tahoe Republic. Certain areas we initially included in the State of Alaska expressed discontent over the results of the vote and asked for a new vote including the option to join Viniland, which they later did. If we were imperialistic we would have sent troops in to enforce the results of a biased vote and told the people to shut up or put up. Instead, we believe in the will of the people and allow them to join whatever nation they want.

Our troop deployments are not a sign that we are going to take aggressive action against Procinctia but are rather a show that we are willing and capable of protecting the people in the State of Alaska who are threatened by Procinctia's claim over islands only a few miles off the coast.

The LT Vancouver is escorting a small convoy of fishing vessels through the Aleutian islands into the Bering Sea, where it will remain in contact with them should they be acosted by Procinctia.

"Infringing upon a nation's sovereignty over any part of its territory can be considered as a threat."

And Tahoe sending vessels into Proctinctian waters is not? Tahoe loudly protestwed ver one little hunk of frozen rock, and now they send ships into territory belonging to Proctinctia, and territory that by extension is leased to the current governors of the Japanese Islands.

While we know all-too-well that Tahoe's strength will win them the islands in the end, we must support Procintia's claim, as they are the only ones to actually provide proof that they own the miserable spits of rock. If Tahoe can provide proof to fact that they own the land (OOC: show the post where you claim it), and not just keep repeating that it's theirs, I will change my stance, and I'm sure that the rest of their opponents would give a second thought.

This is our stance as well.

[Generalissimo]

The LT Vancouver is escorting a small convoy of fishing vessels through the Aleutian islands into the Bering Sea, where it will remain in contact with them should they be acosted by Procinctia.

This is going to end in disaster, and somehow we’re going to be blamed for it.

Fishing restrictions in Procinctia exist for a good reason, the waters around the Aleutians are still the most dangerous in the world.

As the result of four Bering wars unprecedented quantity of naval mines plague the area, and even after months of Dragon Empire’s clearing efforts hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of undetonated anti-ship explosives remain.

The Government of Procinctia is not responsible for your safety; you travel at your own peril.

Edited August 5, 2009 by Generalissimo

[kitex]

The government of Kitex is quite annoyed at the government of Tahoe for deploying a disproportionate military force against a small, defenseless (prett much) island.

Edited August 6, 2009 by kitex

[vladboot]

To the Tahoe Republic

From the Desk of Dudz Douglass

Minister of foreign affairs, Glorious republic of New Andromeda

Woah dude, I thought we were cool man but this is like totally bad and stuff. if you wanted land for yourself, you could have just like asked nicely and chances are that you would get what you want. Besides dude, you like never proved that you owned the land, how would you like me taking california and like saying that it's mine just because I felt like it. Pardon my french but you're being a big poop right now.

Yours Angrily,

Dudz Douglass

P.S. What's the huge deal with some lousy little islands, are there aliens or other New Andromedan religious figures there? If so we want live samples.

Edited August 6, 2009 by vladboot

[Manetheren]

This is going to end in disaster, and somehow we’re going to be blamed for it.

Fishing restrictions in Procinctia exist for a good reason, the waters around the Aleutians are still the most dangerous in the world.

As the result of four Bering wars unprecedented quantity of naval mines plague the area, and even after months of Dragon Empire’s clearing efforts hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of undetonated anti-ship explosives remain.

The Government of Procinctia is not responsible for your safety; you travel at your own peril.

Tahoan fishing vessels have operated without a single loss for decades in the Bering Sea. Most of the undetonated ordinance has been rendered inoperable by the exceptionally harsh aquatic conditions of the ocean. Because of the fact that no ships owned or operated by Tahoan crews have been destroyed or damaged or even bothered in any particular way by sea mines in decades, any ships lost could logically be assumed to be destroyed by newer ordinance that had not yet been corroded or destroyed by the sea, and likely would result in major reprecussions for the party involved.

[Shadowsage]

Tahoan fishing vessels have operated without a single loss for decades in the Bering Sea. Most of the undetonated ordinance has been rendered inoperable by the exceptionally harsh aquatic conditions of the ocean. Because of the fact that no ships owned or operated by Tahoan crews have been destroyed or damaged or even bothered in any particular way by sea mines in decades, any ships lost could logically be assumed to be destroyed by newer ordinance that had not yet been corroded or destroyed by the sea, and likely would result in major reprecussions for the party involved.

OOC: No. He dictates the quality of his mines, not you.

[Zarfef]

*****PRIVATE TO PROCINTIA*****
Given the continued presence of Tahoe and their stubborn bullying, the Aether Empire recommends that Procintia
 make a request of the international community to provide a peacekeeping/defense force in the region to counter 
aggressive actions by Tahoe and institute sanctions against their nation if necessary.

If such a request were made and transportation were given, the Aether Empire would personally be willing to provide 50,000 troops
to the peace keeping effort and defense of Procintia's sovereignty, 400 War Tzar Tanks and 20 medium range Banshee 
multiple-warhead missiles.

The presence of such forces from multiple nations should cause Tahoe to rethink it's actions, but if they decide to use military 
force, these units would be able and willing to return fire against their threats. While in a peaceful position, we would also 
grant the usage of our forces for the purposes of cleanup and reconstruction efforts from the previous devastation we are 
sorrowed to hear hurts the region.

Meanwhile, military forces within the Aether Empire were prepared for deployment and draft and reserve forces were notified of implementation for local defenses and police operations. The NoN and Raochin were not notified as the Aether Empire did not wish to implement mutual offensive measures that could result in unnecessary harm to it's allies. Instead, this was a personal mission as notified to Zarfef by Ziggy and it was to remain as such. Hopefully the backing of the international community of Procintia would be sufficient to cause Tahoe to pull back on it's reigns, but men like this were often arrogant and would require the vision of a great multitude standing against them before they would pull back on such things.

Edited August 6, 2009 by Zarfef

[Generalissimo]

Out of Character Stuff:

OOC: No. He dictates the quality of his mines, not you.

That pretty much sums it up, you don’t have much of a say of what’s in my territory.

The Republin-Procinctia Wars saw an unmatched casual use of naval mines by all parties, I’ve been playing Procinctia as recovering from the final Republin-Procinctia War since my return to CyberNations role-playing, so anything present at the end of the conflict is still present in Procinctia.

First Republin-Procinctia War, Second Republic Procinctia War, Procinctia Reemergence, White Cross, and Procinctia Reconstruction threads take precedence here.

In reality Naval Mines from World War Two are still found in the Bering Sea, these weapons are designed to last decades, in CNRP many more Naval mine were deployed than were in World War Two.

Also time in Procinctia passes at a 1:1 ratio in accordance to CNRP’s variable timescale (real time), it has only been one year since the end of that war in Procinctian time – not enough for anything like this to rot away.

In Character Stuff:

Tahoan fishing vessels have operated without a single loss for decades in the Bering Sea. Most of the undetonated ordinance has been rendered inoperable by the exceptionally harsh aquatic conditions of the ocean.

That’s unlikely, otherwise you would already know this.

Tahoe’s Bering Sea charts must be significantly outdated.

Tahoan fishing vessels have operated without a single loss for decades in the Bering Sea. Most of the undetonated ordinance has been rendered inoperable by the exceptionally harsh aquatic conditions of the ocean. Because of the fact that no ships owned or operated by Tahoan crews have been destroyed or damaged or even bothered in any particular way by sea mines in decades, any ships lost could logically be assumed to be destroyed by newer ordinance that had not yet been corroded or destroyed by the sea, and likely would result in major reprecussions for the party involved.

I’m not making anything up, several White Cross and World Congress nations can verify the existence of this ordinance. If you’re not going to have the courtesy of respecting our territorial integrity Government of Procinctia highly recommends Tahoe at least take the precision of minesweeper accompaniment, this simple preventative measure could avert catastrophe – catastrophe you would somehow blame us for. Edited August 6, 2009 by Generalissimo

[Generalissimo]

Tahoan fishing vessels have operated without a single loss for decades in the Bering Sea.

That’s impossible . . . before the 2007 Procinctia was a greater naval power than Tahoe, and we secured the Bering very tightly, your fishing vessels would not have been permitted to pass – following the final Republic-Procinctian War that section of the Bering was impassable – the Japanese have had exclusive fishing right for some time now, patrolling to keep foreign fishing out - so what decade are you talking about?

Don’t forget that for much of this year there were considerable restrictions on Tahoe’s Bering Sea travel, remember?

. . .In addition to previous restrictions Procinctian territorial waters are now restricted to all vessels of Greater Nordland affiliation, vessels from nations supporting Greater Nordland, vessels traveling to and from Greater Nordland states, or vessels which have made any Greater Nordland port in more than eight months prior to requesting travel through our section of the Bering Sea. . .

Tahoe's government clearly has no idea what they are talking about.

Edited August 6, 2009 by Generalissimo

[Manetheren]

As we stated, Tahoan vessels have been operating in the Bering Sea for decades. There is not a single documented incident where a Tahoan ship has been stopped by Procinctian authorities and if there had...well, lets just say we wouldn't be having this discussion right now. There is not a single documented incident where a Tahoan ship has been destroyed by any ordinance in the Bering Sea.

We strongly reccomend Procinctia stop its agressive posturing and baseless lies to try and scare our navy into compliance with your rediculous demands. Procinctian territorial waters will not be infringed upon at all yet the Bering Sea will continue to be used as an economic resource.

Naturally we are sure you have better things to worry about such as rebuilding.

[Markus Wilding]

They have an aggresive stance? Who was the first to say they had no right to the islands? Who deployed military first? Who took an aggresive stance?

Yacrania urges the world to shun Tahoe, and if Tahoe threatens Procinta more, then to take a stand. Tahoe is proving that it is they, not Procinta, that is flexing it's muscles to intimidate the other to surrender.

[Zarfef]

As we stated, Tahoan vessels have been operating in the Bering Sea for decades. There is not a single documented incident where a Tahoan ship has been stopped by Procinctian authorities and if there had...well, lets just say we wouldn't be having this discussion right now. There is not a single documented incident where a Tahoan ship has been destroyed by any ordinance in the Bering Sea.

We strongly reccomend Procinctia stop its agressive posturing and baseless lies to try and scare our navy into compliance with your rediculous demands. Procinctian territorial waters will not be infringed upon at all yet the Bering Sea will continue to be used as an economic resource.

Naturally we are sure you have better things to worry about such as rebuilding.

OOC: Yes, and the Aether Empire has been mining your mountains since you first built your nation. Did you RP them by chance fishing in these foreign waters? (I mean, that would be a boring RP and all but...) Really though, to RP stuff in another person's waters (IE within his territorial waters) you would have to RP it. I do however, specifically remember that Generalissimo made a big deal about fishing rights with Yamamoto or something like that, he RP'd his fishing rights to his area and unless those rights included you I don't think you'd be quite able to simply fish or drag ships through the area without permission.

[Generalissimo]

More Out of Character Stuff

OOC: Yes, and the Aether Empire has been mining your mountains since you first built your nation. Did you RP them by chance fishing in these foreign waters? (I mean, that would be a boring RP and all but...) Really though, to RP stuff in another person's waters (IE within his territorial waters) you would have to RP it. I do however, specifically remember that Generalissimo made a big deal about fishing rights with Yamamoto or something like that, he RP'd his fishing rights to his area and unless those rights included you I don't think you'd be quite able to simply fish or drag ships through the area without permission.

If Tahoe never roleplayed it, it never happed - simple as that. Edited August 6, 2009 by Generalissimo