linkmandx Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Most of the people against the tech change are tech heavy nations who don't like this because they spent lots of money on tech that ended up useless in the long run to how their nation was run, but had it solely for NS purposes. This was for game balancing. After 300 tech, tech is pretty useless, and this change helps reflect that. I agree with the tech change. I don't really care about the GRL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCyber Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 I think the tech thing was too extreme 10 would of been better I agree... it should have been 10 or 15 or so... not this dramatic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OniTasku2 Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Tech change was inevitable, but at the degree they went, that was completely unnecessary. Whilst my comment may sound just like blatant whining and complaining, it feels like a slap in the face to those of us whom have been playing the game diligently for quite some time now. I mean, a good number of people spent a lot of days towards raising their tech levels. Lots of strategy, effort and money was put into that. Now that tech, in a sense, is out the door...it feels as though it was wasted time. The GRL is not something I was looking forward to seeing return. Really, people that have nukes (and a lot of them) are going to abuse this. For those that reap the rewards with their massive thresholds, it's going to be the rest that suffers for that select group. Fantastic. Great move, Admins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magicman657 Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 People voting No in #1... Ignore the freaking NS. Big deal, it's lower. YOU'RE PAYING LESS MONEY ON INFRA UPKEEP BECAUSE OF IT. It's actually possible to get to 10% infra upkeep reduction now. The less NS tech is worth, the more reduction you get. It's a good thing that will benefit everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embereus Posted November 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Wow Magicman I totally missed that. Technology decreases infrastructure upkeep costs up to a maximum 10% discount based on the following formula: (2 * Technology Level) / Nation Strength = Percent off infrastructure upkeep bill. That is a great positive to all this negativity! Thanks friend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdnss69 Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 The tech change was a well needed change. Now those with previously superficial NS levels are brought to reality, and the drop in everyones NS seems to have levelled out fot he majority, although the tech horders and sellers might suffer a little at first. The tech cap might need to be adjusted slightly however, but not by too much, maybe by bringing it to around 500. With what magicman two places above me said, that is definetly an added bonus to everyones recent downfall in NS. I know some people are quiet happy about it though (like me) because we gained places in the overall percentage scheme. I would have preferred a little waring though, I woke up and suddenly I had had lost huge amounts of NS, I was looking to see if someone had declared on me or if it was a bug, or... shocked me a little at first anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackeagle Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 as frustrating as it is having lost 13k ns it is only a game, just pixels on a screen on some server far away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embereus Posted November 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 I would have preferred a little waring though, I woke up and suddenly I had had lost huge amounts of NS, I was looking to see if someone had declared on me or if it was a bug, or... shocked me a little at first anyway I was online at around 4:30, when admin put it into effect. I thought it was a spy attack at first. My efficiency was 166 at 4:00 and it was ~110 at 5:00 XD. I'm okay with it though. This tension should decrease and everything will be back to normal except with alliances more closely matched by their strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philp110 Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 I agree with the tech change in principle, and it certainly did nothing but help my nation since I am infra heavy, but tech trading was what I found to be the most fun part of the game, this could drastically effect that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hickersonia Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 GRL is fine by me. I'm not sure there should even BE a cap. The tech change simply sucks because I finally decided to "join the pack" so I could get a nuke. The day I become nuke capable, I buy one, go to bed, and wake up to find that I've been knocked back to 6.6% ranking (lost 6,000 NS). I guess I just kinda wish we had a little notice when Admin was going to make a change that could seriously effect game strategy... Otherwise, no big deal, and business as usual for Hickersonia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 I voted NO, don't like the change. :angry: I fully understand all the arguments for making the change and I know that statistically everything evens out in the end and all remains the same. But what ticks me off more than anything (and believe me, there are many aspects about this change that tick me off) is the way it was done. Admin gave no notice or time to make strategy changes before doing this. I don't care what your opinion is about NS being artificially inflated or whatever. The fact is the way things used to be is the way it was! If you wanted to use tech to build your NS quickly, it was fine because that is the way the game was set up! Those who think using tech to build NS was cheating or that it was an artificially inflated NS, guess what, you're wrong- because those were the rules and the way the game was set up and played! And for your information, high technology does give a nation higher strength, even in RL! Look at it this way, you got two nations with everything being equal except the level of their technology; who do you think is the stronger nation? The one fighting with slingshots or the one fighting with nukes?! So take all of your pious attitudes and stick them where the sun don't shine, like in a closet, and quit looking down your long noses at everyone that doesn't like this change or think the way you do! Your opinion is no more correct nor any better than anyone elses! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confederacy of Bacon Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 No, I don't like the tech change, mainly because I do tech deals and the change will probably dry up the tech market to some extent unless the cost of tech is reduced. If the cost of tech is reduced or the decrease in the value is lessened then I'm fine with the change. Not a fan of GRL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallfrog Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 I'm wondering, will GRL increase the value of gold+lead? Now that radiation cleanup has more use, I can see people hunting for it during the nuclear wars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amnesiasoft Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 I'm in favor of the Tech change, it was needed. I'm in favor of the GRL being readded, but not because it adds a new dimension to the game, because it really doesn't. It was just finally implemented correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horatio Longworth Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 OOC: In the real world, it would take about ten nukes for the world to be irradiated. We are lucky enough that planet Bob can recover from radiation at all. It makes the game more realistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossGarner Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 GRL would be far more interesting if it influenced teams rather than the whole world. As it stands, it doesn't really make any difference at all so who cares Team specific GRL would basically amount to a penalty for being on a large team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BartSimpson Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 GRL punishes everyone for the nuclear misbehavior of the few or the many. The problem and drawback is that people who used to reap an advantage for behaving themselves are now being penalized instead. :angry: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Bwalla III Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 GRL makes sense but i hate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgartree Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 This tech thing sucks, I lost 20k ns from it. But I understand why it was done and kinda respect that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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