SyndicatedINC Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Name me one time PC has not honoured a treaty, we would burn in hell for any of our allies. I of course know you mean the TPF NAP which TPF themselves designed so that they could try and keep PC at bay while making the treaty vague enough so that they could attack us at the drop of a hat. But guess what, we beat them to it. I do not have to as you pointed out, you just did it for me. That whole "we beat them to it" means that there is a time that you did not honour a treaty. As for burning in hell, no need to do so for your allies, PC's own conduct will assure it a spot amongst the flames of damnation quite well enough on its own merit, or lack thereof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thom98 Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Let's not pin the actions of PC, just or unjust, on Karma as a whole. No I am pinning the lack of action on karma as a whole, they boast of standing against oppression yet now that 3 alliances that fly their flag are in the midst of it, it goes on without any other member of karma without taking any action to stop it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadabethyname Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 the dark templar is a signatory of NOIR, which prohibits raiding nations on the black team. i can only assume the other signatories will be taking care of this matter, and perhaps they'd care to reach out to a fellow black alliance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhawk Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 the dark templar is a signatory of NOIR, which prohibits raiding nations on the black team. i can only assume the other signatories will be taking care of this matter, and perhaps they'd care to reach out to a fellow black alliance? Seems they should honor that given thats how Sparta came to their aid via NOIR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadabethyname Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 to be fair, i posted the above before looking at the war screen. it is only one DT nation raiding and thus not a coordinated alliance raid, just an opportunistic nation raid violating an agreement the alliance signed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fant0m Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 to be fair, i posted the above before looking at the war screen. it is only one DT nation raiding and thus not a coordinated alliance raid, just an opportunistic nation raid violating an agreement the alliance signed Indeed, and I'm sure he'll be punished for breaking the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilkenny Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Indeed, and I'm sure he'll be punished for breaking the rules. and yall?? more than 15 and protected?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalai Protoss Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 No I am pinning the lack of action on karma as a whole, they boast of standing against oppression yet now that 3 alliances that fly their flag are in the midst of it, it goes on without any other member of karma without taking any action to stop it. Karma is a loose confederation of alliances fighting against the Hegemony. It's not Karma's job to police the out-of-war actions of PC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willirica Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 I think its safe to say that the pheonix no longer hungers; ya know ive gained some amount of respect for the NPO for taking thier beating like a man, tpf and former soldier, not so much ;( anyway please dont let me interrupt this bawwwwwwwwww fest o/ PC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinoa Rex Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Raiding a protected alliance that has declared neutrality just because you're the big kids on the playground is extremely poor form, bottom line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrie Melodies Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Karma is a loose confederation of alliances fighting against the Hegemony. It's not Karma's job to police the out-of-war actions of PC. While your statement is true, many of us find it conflicting that not one Karma alliance would speak up against this action since it is this very behavior they are supposedly fighting against Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrie Melodies Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 I think its safe to say that the pheonix no longer hungers; ya know ive gained some amount of respect for the NPO for taking thier beating like a man, tpf and former soldier, not so much ;(anyway please dont let me interrupt this bawwwwwwwwww fest o/ PC Don't you have some sort of in house raid violation to clean up? Seems you might deal with that rather than crawl out here and claim the ever disparaging "bawwwwwwwwwwwwwww" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilkenny Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Raiding a protected alliance that has declared neutrality just because you're the big kids on the playground is extremely poor form, bottom line. heh, thought that was why NPO was so hated...that is what they did. oh and TPF too cause we are ebil.. the actions of few often dictate the impression of many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyndicatedINC Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 While your statement is true, many of us find it conflicting that not one Karma alliance would speak up against this action since it is this very behavior they are supposedly fighting against Actually several members of Karma alliances have spoken out against PC's actions in this very thread. I imagine you mean no official denunciations or such. However remember that those take time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willirica Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) Don't you have some sort of in house raid violation to clean up? Seems you might deal with that rather than crawl out here and claim the ever disparaging "bawwwwwwwwwwwwwww" i suggest you honor your end of the deal you were givin, mr merry troll ;( Edited May 22, 2009 by willirica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrie Melodies Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 i suggest you honor your end of the deal you were givin, mr merry troll ;( I believe I am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTTezla Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Even if this was just a tech raid, who rolls an entire alliance "because [their] top nations are bored"? Not exactly great sportsmanship there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrie Melodies Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Actually several members of Karma alliances have spoken out against PC's actions in this very thread. I imagine you mean no official denunciations or such. However remember that those take time. I hope time proves you to be correct on this, our planet has seen far to many innocents destroyed for nothing more than the pleasure of the stronger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Janova Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 You're not going to get official statements (after all it's not like there are official statements of censure over tech raids usually), but several people from within Karma and without have said that they don't like this. Read the thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masterof9puppets Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 And thus PC have returned to their position as teh ebil raiders. The evil raiders that I love <3 But honestly? No one should believe that PC raided California only in order to spite TPF. This was brought out just like any other tech raid that PC has launched in its past, nations were attacked, peace was sent, end. Not too much of a biggie. Whether California was affiliated with TPF or not, they would have still been hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathcat Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 And thus PC have returned to their position as teh ebil raiders. The evil raiders that I love <3 But honestly? No one should believe that PC raided California only in order to spite TPF. This was brought out just like any other tech raid that PC has launched in its past, nations were attacked, peace was sent, end. Not too much of a biggie. Whether California was affiliated with TPF or not, they would have still been hit. Oh?? I do believe that if their protector was say... Sparta, ROK or MK.. They would have continued to be "bored". I still like some of the PC individuals I've dealt with and can consider them friends.. but this action is just wrong. I know that's what they do.. but still.. its wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masterof9puppets Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Oh?? I do believe that if their protector was say... Sparta, ROK or MK.. They would have continued to be "bored". I still like some of the PC individuals I've dealt with and can consider them friends.. but this action is just wrong. I know that's what they do.. but still.. its wrong. hai again death cat back on topic: I was under the impression that PC believed that California was no longer affiliated with TPF due to all mentioning to TPF in their nation bio's being in the past tense. A full excerpt from a bio: California was a protectorate of TPF. We have chosen not to activate the optional defense clause of our protectorate treaty, and thus are neutral in this conflict. PM me if you have any questions. Although this does include the portion of not choosing to activate the ODP, that does not cancel out the "California was a protectorate of TPF". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhawk Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 hai again death cat back on topic: I was under the impression that PC believed that California was no longer affiliated with TPF due to all mentioning to TPF in their nation bio's being in the past tense. A full excerpt from a bio: Although this does include the portion of not choosing to activate the ODP, that does not cancel out the "California was a protectorate of TPF". They easily could have checked in irc, our wiki, our active treaty list on our forum, or our protectorate embassy area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalai Protoss Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) While your statement is true, many of us find it conflicting that not one Karma alliance would speak up against this action since it is this very behavior they are supposedly fighting against If my statement is true, then it's not any Karma alliance's job to speak up against these actions, nor would it make anything better if they did. Only the alliances involved, TPF, PC, and California, have an obligation to settle this issue. The rest is just commentary. Take note that I do not think this was a good move on PC's part (despite the above statement), but then again, I have no knowledge of PC's raiding policies. Edited May 22, 2009 by Earl McMann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masterof9puppets Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 They easily could have checked in irc, our wiki, our active treaty list on our forum, or our protectorate embassy area. Is it possible that California may have no longer considered themselves protected by you? It just seems to me that that would be the only reason to put "California was protected by you" in every bio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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