Ejayrazz Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Dying for an alliance you resent? Doesn't sound honorable to me. Sounds stupid to me. On the subject of honor, as I stated in my first post, I don't feel surrendering is betrayal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Conrad Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 I have to say that this has bad timing but a good point. Hopefully afterwards others will open their eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toto Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 So, you are leaving the alliance who grew your nation over your time in bob because they suddenly had a burst of authoritarianism during a war you see yourself losing to go fight for the other side? Classy. Oh wait, no. what's that other word? Oh yes. Asinine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 You have to admit, fighting seems stupid when your leaders are hiding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzelger Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Nothing wrong with a good personality cult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 I'll just take the opportunity to note that I didn't define what was an honourable action. I just suggested that if you weren't willing to risk death to preserve your honour, well, you probably don't have a lot of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sal Paradise Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 How does that even make sense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradigm Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 You have to admit, fighting seems stupid when your leaders are hiding. Pretty much - when you are 3 weeks in looking at the top 5 pages of peace mode I would feel a bit burned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elderago Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 (edited) You only realised this now? Seems to be that you were fine with this state of affairs whilst your alliance was top dog (you did stay there after all) but now that the bombs are raining down it's suddenly an issue. Funny how a losing war really clears the mind, eh. Peace aimee man, often times it takes personal experience to find ones true stance, halflinger honor is great but blind honor can get you killed as well as many others, plus there is no need to honor those who you feel have betrayed you. Edited May 9, 2009 by sircrimson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Autumn Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Nothing wrong with a good personality cult. Heartily seconded and endorsed. CN is full of them - they make the game a more interesting place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miley Cyrax Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 When you join, you know that they punish deserters. So, if you have a problem with them, it would make sense to leave when they aren't in a war. You are solely at fault here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 halflinger honor is great but blind honor can get you killed as well as many others, plus there is no need to honor those who you feel have betrayed you. Spell my name right. As for the honor those who you feel have betrayed you part, when did I say there was? I just said that if someone threatens you with death and you abandon your honour, welll..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firkked Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 They can read OWF just like the rest of us. My experiences have shown that new nation rulers are intimidated by the sheer volume of reading that is required to keep abreast of current events and being "spoon fed" is so much easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vhalen Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Pretty much - when you are 3 weeks in looking at the top 5 pages of peace mode I would feel a bit burned. Well, to be fair, they're probably in the top 5 pages because they're in peace mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobiash Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Have a question to General Bragg! Did you lose your access to their forum before or after you surrendered? Are you speaking out of anger, when you say that you want to fight your old alliance? Or do you really mean it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Bragg Posted May 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 If you surrender during a time of war then your alliance will very likely remove your access from their command centers. I don't believe it matters which alliance it is.I only note that because your AA is Karma POW and you comment that you wish to be released from terms, indicating, at least to me, that you had already surrendered prior to discovering your access had been truncated. FYI my access has been non-existant for the past week prior to my decision to leave NPO. This was dispite many attempts to ask why I had no access. Given that I had no access, I felt no need to enter a 3 round of wars for folks who had yet to fight one. I changed my AA POW only after I made the post. CN forums retro applied it to my post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Bragg Posted May 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Oh please, while all the higher NS nations coward in peace mode, and you dare question his actions. I applaud the OP for developing the ability to think for himself, and growing a pair of balls. Bravo OP.Edit: spelling Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Bragg Posted May 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 If his forum access was removed before the surrender, he had no reason to stay. If after, then yeah. As I stated to Ivan, my access was removed approx. one week before my decision to leave NPO. I made many attempts to inquire why, without any response. It was only upon receiving my 3rd round of wars was my decision cemented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Bragg Posted May 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Back in September 2008 (if not earlier), there was the stigma that there were massive personality conflicts between Pacifians and certain members of the OWF, which in turn could lead to risen warn levels and bans. In order to prevent the ban of their members, I believe the NPO put the limited posting on OWF into effect. This is of course second or third hand information, but make of it what you would like. Your information is totally correct. In fact it was announced as radio silence on the NPO forums, i.e. no posting allowed on the CN forums. Said silence lasted until the rising tide of peaceniks who wanted to see FAN released from PZI started to turn public opinion against NPO and the need to post CB for the current conflict. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doitzel Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Stats of NPO WRC nations deleted in the past 24 hours (note these are the stats at time of deletion): Nation/Link Nation Strength Infra Tech Military Wonders Held # of wars Koona of Koona 58K 8509.99 3,576.49 FAFB MP PENTAGON SDI WRC Peacmode Syaoran of Amestris 38K 7,207.87 2,891.90 PENTAGON SDI WRC 2 simplexio of Leiskaland 24K 5,225.09 1,515.87 AADN FAFB PENTAGON SDI WRC 2 Azure of Aldarin 76K 14,220.00 3,018.83 AADN FAFB HNMS MP PENTAGON SDI WRC Peacemode Interesting things with these 4 deletions are that two were in peace mode, Koona was NPO's oldest ingame AA nation and (former?) Imperial Officer, Koona/simplexio/Azure were amongst the oldest nations in the game. Now these are just the 4 WRC nations deleted in the past 24 hours. Whilst NPO is having an influx of small nations (who, from PM's sent to them being posted, are being conned onto the AA), they're losing quite alot of large nations. There have been nations equal to these ones size, and larger, who didn't have WRC's that have been deleted. Now you know Oh my, this war really is throwing things topsy-turvy. I'm starting to like LJ's posts. I echo the sentiments that such a nice guy as Koona didn't deserve such a fate. Karma is driving people out of the game at the expense of the entire game. This is so tragic even I can't inject any more horrible drama into it. It's beyond words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Bragg Posted May 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Speaking of perma-ZI, I've heard that NPO is threatening it to nations who "run away" during war, which might account somewhat for their retention thus far. That and the fact that they've gained dozens of tiny nations. Your intelligence is correct, sir. Early on in this conflict (within the first week) all NPO nations were threatened with PZI should they leave. This just increased the parallels between Moo's NPO & Stalin's Russia. Either we die by Karma or by NPO firing squad. No different than Soviet troops being marched into Nazi guns under pain of being shot by the political commissars. No reason we should not become like the ROA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doitzel Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Your intelligence is correct, sir. Oh imagine that. Man, I knew I should've kept ghosting them. That's really insane but unsurprising, given the lengths they're going to to artificially inflate their numbers. I wonder if they thought people wouldn't notice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Bragg Posted May 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 They may not all be the majority...But I must concur. His Alliances faults finally removed the blindfold over his eyes they'd kept over him for so long.... Furthermore Personally, as it may be a little wrong to attack your former alliances, 2 wrongs also might not make a right, but I'm all for him getting the revenge he deserves, mind you Karma doesn't really need the help, but more is greatly appreciated. After all, If my alliances was at war for over 3 weeks, and all my leaders hid in peace mode, I would switch sides as well, it's not necessarily a matter of winning or loosing, its the matter of fighting together as one.... (My leaders are too awesome to not fight with tho ) He'll I think it would be funny as hell if one of the individual surrender terms was to join' Karma's side and fight against your old alliance... But thats just my opioin. Down with NPO! Thank you for your kind words. Maybe we shall have the opportunity to fight side by side. If not this war, then certainly the next one that will occur if the NPO is not reformed from top to bottom. No one in the Order believes they ever lost a war (GWI), and if left with any modecum of their current state, will seek revenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Bragg Posted May 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 I have no problem with him surrenduring. If everyone hates him for deserting his alliance for war, then why are individual surrender terms available. I know as well that NPO leadership could not give a flying turd over their regular members and his decision was reasonable, seeing how he feels. Thank you for your comments and support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Bragg Posted May 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Im not sure if im interpreting this right but the way he is phrasing things it seems to me he had lost forum access BEFORE he surrendered. If it is indeed the case i don't blame the guy for wanting payback and blowing up some NPO nations might make him feel better...thus said I don't think defecting and wanting to fight for the other side was really the right way to go about it since the ppl he is angry with are still in Peace mode. You are correct in your assumption. Forum access was lost 1 week prior to my surrender. Numerous inquiries were made without response. The final straw was a 3rd week of war without NPO being willing to admit so much as that I exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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