Lord Ditka Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 onward MK best of luck to you spying is baddd mmkay? NV is watching Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin McDonald Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Ok,well take a look into mdnss69s aplogy. And we did no harm,didn't even try to steal anything. Where I doubt anyone else would have,and what of various people saying,Justice has prevailed,well done MK,you all sound as though MK is the world courts. And now everyone is thinking of starting one week wars,andis anyone going to question MKs use of other alliances. Sorry, sorry, I know I said I would leave, but... "we did no harm,didn't even try to steal anything." So, you just took a look around then? If someone breaks into your house and either leaves without taking anything or gets caught before they do, it's still a crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kindom of Goon Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 is anyone going to question MKs use of other alliances. You might not be used to the concept, but getting help from allies during a war is actually quite normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Salovsky Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 KM is a wise man, and yes they have allies... you should make some. Not meaning to be rude but seriously, that's kinda the point of treaties is times like these. (Note the bottom of my sig, if these posts offend you or whatever PM me, don't take it out on ACF) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corran Dralling Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 (edited) God I hate this...I am trying not to curse my mouth off. You automatcically take MKs side,no one,and no one is saying anything good about us,I swear to god this will come back to haunt you all. EDIT: We do have allies, NPO, BBW, and more, but do we ask them for help, no. We stay where we are. Edited April 13, 2009 by Corran Dralling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mamazlilmistake Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 God I hate this...I am trying not to curse my mouth off. You automatcically take MKs side,no one,and no one is saying anything good about us,I swear to god this will come back to haunt you all. Calm down buddy. Its not the end of the world. Take your mild wrist slap and learn from it. Dont try to curse the entire cyberverse. o/ UBD (Dont haunt me plz) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravnica Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 God I hate this...I am trying not to curse my mouth off. You automatcically take MKs side,no one,and no one is saying anything good about us,I swear to god this will come back to haunt you all.EDIT: We do have allies, NPO, BBW, and more, but do we ask them for help, no. We stay where we are. If I were you, I'd stop trying that, honestly. Stop trying to "point out" things, you need not dig yourself a hole you cannot get out of. Now's not the time to be picking fights everywhere about how the MK "is unjustly doing x and y" when you fail to realize that the lot of posters in here have blatantly said things that made your arguments null and void. Realize things could be worse, so stop please. You know, people are actually trying to look out for you and try to dissuade you from making yourself to look like an idiot. Re-read this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bros Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Ok,well take a look into mdnss69s aplogy. And we did no harm,didn't even try to steal anything. Where I doubt anyone else would have,and what of various people saying,Justice has prevailed,well done MK,you all sound as though MK is the world courts. And now everyone is thinking of starting one week wars,andis anyone going to question MKs use of other alliances. you,tried,to,spy,on,us,okay? God I hate this...I am trying not to curse my mouth off. You automatcically take MKs side,no one,and no one is saying anything good about us,I swear to god this will come back to haunt you all.EDIT: We do have allies, NPO, BBW, and more, but do we ask them for help, no. We stay where we are. NPO decided it would be in their best interests to not interfere. Along with Agora and your other treaty partners, who we talked to before sly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corran Dralling Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Well it will,MK accepts military aid,and we do not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mamazlilmistake Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 You might not be used to the concept, but getting help from allies during a war is actually quite normal. Even an alliance of FoBs magnitude? Wouldn't you expect MK to be more humane and leave the big guns out until needed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawdon Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 EDIT: We do have allies, NPO, BBW, and more, but do we ask them for help, no. We stay where we are. Totally correct Corran, then MK just get =LOST= and Federation of Buccaneers to do their work, experience and tech raid >_> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 God I hate this...I am trying not to curse my mouth off. You automatcically take MKs side,no one,and no one is saying anything good about us,I swear to god this will come back to haunt you all.EDIT: We do have allies, NPO, BBW, and more, but do we ask them for help, no. We stay where we are. MK caught your man red-handed. The fact that your government tried lying about it is even more dumbfounding than the first action. Lucky for you all, MK is actually a jolly bunch of green oafs who love the world. Maybe not as extreme as that, but they were very generous in giving you guys a slap on the wrist for spying. Believe me when I say alliances have been entirely rolled altogether for much less. Consider this your lucky break on CN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirMe Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 (edited) God I hate this...I am trying not to curse my mouth off. You automatcically take MKs side,no one,and no one is saying anything good about us,I swear to god this will come back to haunt you all.EDIT: We do have allies, NPO, BBW, and more, but do we ask them for help, no. We stay where we are. Ok, let me clarify some things. 1) One of your members attempted to join MK under the guise of being an inactive member who was demasked. The member he chose to impersonate unfortunately was not inactive or demasked. 2) After extensive investigation we found out what his goals, motives and intentions were. And we also found that there were good chances we were not the only alliance targeted. 3) After approaching your government we were lied to. Multiple times while trying to resolve this. 4) This is a conventional war. We will not seek reps. We will not install a viceroy and we will not nuke you. After a short period of war you will be let go. If you did this to any other alliance, you wouldn't get the things listed in #4. You would be at war for weeks, even months, probably be forced to take a viceroy and or pay extensive reps. Seriously, this isn't as bad as you are making it out to be. If you know anything about our history, you should know we don't go to war because Archon farts, we actually have a solid basis for going to war and act upon is as such. EDIT: Forgot to add, allies are being used because you have nations who are out of our range. We are using allies who have nations in those ranges to help out. This is plain and simple strategy and in no way is anyone bandwagoning here. Edited April 13, 2009 by AirMe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corran Dralling Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Thank you raw,we don't get our allies into this,yet MK does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barix9 Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 God I hate this...I am trying not to curse my mouth off. You automatcically take MKs side,no one,and no one is saying anything good about us,I swear to god this will come back to haunt you all.EDIT: We do have allies, NPO, BBW, and more, but do we ask them for help, no. We stay where we are. Corran Dralling, as a great beleiver in speaking my mind, and a great friend of UBD, I have to tell you, in all honesty, you need to shut the hell up. The Terms are fair, the war is short, and no ones really "chosing sides" Your continuous spewing useless arguements is making your alliance look worse than it needs to be. No one hates you, you have many friends left. To continue griping like this, you can only accomplish worsening your situation. As your friend, I tell you again. STOP TALKING. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 If you did this to any other alliance, you wouldn't get the things listed in #4. You would be at war for weeks, even months, probably be forced to take a viceroy and or pay extensive reps. Didn't admin say no more viceroys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Salovsky Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Well it will,MK accepts military aid,and we do not. Or maybe they don't like you? This just shows they're smarter than you. Digging holes is not good, just ask Stanley (my little pun, LAUGH!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirMe Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Didn't admin say no more viceroys? Either way, we wouldn't do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corran Dralling Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 (edited) Fine,god,fine,I'll stop speaking. Edited April 13, 2009 by Corran Dralling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kindom of Goon Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Totally correct Corran, then MK just get =LOST= and Federation of Buccaneers to do their work, experience and tech raid >_> We all know MK need all the help they can get Totally correct Corran, then MK just get =LOST= and Federation of Buccaneers to do their work, experience and tech raid >_> Is anyone stopping you from using your allies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akama Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 (edited) Didn't admin say no more viceroys? Viceroys aren't banned, you just can't force an alliance to give you admin rights on their forums iirc. Edited April 13, 2009 by Bungalo Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corran Dralling Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 No,we didn't even ask them,we took our punishment in stride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 (edited) We were personally asked by government members of UBD to do nothing, we do not ignore our treaties, especially not with friends as great as UBD. Taking shots at an univolved alliance in a war thread, hats off to you Neme member. I will have to first point out that we have no abbreviation Neme, its Nemesis. Second off, and this goes for all of UBD's treaty partners, not just ARES, shouldn't you defend your allies who you have signed a treaty with that states you will offer them support? And yes, I do realize that my allies fall into this category, and it disappoints me. When you sign a treaty, you should be ready to honor it regardless of the circumstances and not decide that because they made a major mistake you won't honor it, or because they request it? No, an honorable alliance comes in regardless. If your written obligation is that spying is an exception to this rule, that's different. But if they haven't violated your treaty with their actions, you should be defending them. To use the ARES treaty as an example, because its the one I saw, there's no clause that says they can chose not to assist. The signatories of this treaty are obliged to provide military, financial and diplomatic assistance to the other signatory if they are fighting a defensive war. In the case that one signatory is attacked because of another treaty the other signatory is not obliged to act but may do so if asked. In times of peace both signatories agree to encourage and actively pursue good resource and technology trading between the alliances to further the economic prosperity of the alliances as a whole. To address the Declaration of War directly, a good firm reasoning behind the war, but I would expect nothing less from MK. Edit: Also, I look forward to seeing the new clause in treaties "unless the treaty partner under attack requests them to not help" Edited April 13, 2009 by Penlugue Solaris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimCity Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Please ignore Corran, he displays ignorance on even the most basic of topics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Salovsky Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Fine,god,fine,I'll stop speaking. Truths? Ok We'll all ignore that... perhaps replacing it with "statements that no one cares to know and makes you seem pathetic and that cannot be proved" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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