Lord Damien Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 (edited) Sounds like a laziness problem to me.Have an admin sit down and go through all your foreign diplomats and create seperate permission masks for each alliance so that no one can see another alliance's embassy. -OR- Give those in your foreign affairs department exemption from having to type in embassy passwords. I am a strong proponent against open embassies, and I feel I am not alone on this one. Our forums do not allow us to give exemptions. Everyone must type in the password. Great idea and I would love it if I could do that, but I can't. Edited March 18, 2009 by Lord Damien Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frozenrpg Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Our forums do not allow us to give exemptions. Everyone must type in the password. Great idea and I would love it if I could do that, but I can't. Then get new forum software? I mean, generally its better to do the work and inconvenient yourselves, versus inconvenienting your guests. Just my 2 cents though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Damien Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Then get new forum software? I mean, generally its better to do the work and inconvenient yourselves, versus inconvenienting your guests.Just my 2 cents though... Trust me, when I done with it, there will be no one inconvenienced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galapagos Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Not quite sure I see the purpose for this. I'll trust you have one. Anyhow,if it were me, I'd take pains to notify people individually instead of making a forum announcement. This isn't exactly a glorious return to the forums for NADC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frozenrpg Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Then get new forum software? I mean, generally its better to do the work and inconvenient yourselves, versus inconvenienting your guests.Just my 2 cents though... Alright, we'll let the mob decide if open embassies are a favorable policy or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Damien Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Not quite sure I see the purpose for this. I'll trust you have one.Anyhow,if it were me, I'd take pains to notify people individually instead of making a forum announcement. This isn't exactly a glorious return to the forums for NADC. That is part of the plan. I'm just covering all the bases by posting here also. Each alliance that has an embassy with us will be told. And no one seems to understand what I'm saying here even though I've repeated myself. I plan on talking with each alliance and giving them my plan in detail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombie Glaucon Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 EDIT: To allay certain fears which have arisen, we will be setting up private conference rooms for those alliances who need them. The reason we're taking the passwords off is because, for the most part, alliances don't need the security, and it's much harder for our FA staff to check them consistently when the passwords are enabled. You are solving the wrong problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of the Mayflies Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 I think you guys are almost ready for 1V. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erikz Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 You can mask diplomats for a specific embassy, therefore you don't need passwords. That seems a bit smarter then what you guys are going to do now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frozenrpg Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 I think you guys are almost ready for 1V. I really did laugh. That was very good. Cheers to you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morskov Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Shoulda quit while you were ahead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakyr Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 (edited) Sounds like a laziness problem to me.Have an admin sit down and go through all your foreign diplomats and create seperate permission masks for each alliance so that no one can see another alliance's embassy. Agreed. Separate masks for each alliance works well for us, with our embassies. Any alliance that has had an embassy with us should remember our particular permissions setup. I am a strong proponent against open embassies, and I feel I am not alone on this one. Yana Edited March 18, 2009 by Shakyr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
threefingeredguy Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 I don't understand all the hate in this thread. Lots of alliances are set up like this, the two leaping to the top of my head being Umbrella and Valhalla. Most embassies are not used to discuss sensitive issues and if they are, they're given a private passworded embassy. As long as the diplomats take the time to acquaint themselves with the embassy setup (like checking to see if they can read other embassies) then this should cause absolutely no problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Damien Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 I don't understand all the hate in this thread. Lots of alliances are set up like this, the two leaping to the top of my head being Umbrella and Valhalla. Most embassies are not used to discuss sensitive issues and if they are, they're given a private passworded embassy. As long as the diplomats take the time to acquaint themselves with the embassy setup (like checking to see if they can read other embassies) then this should cause absolutely no problems. This is what I've come across in the embassies I've visited. I'm not going to name names, but I've never needed a password. I started this knowing that not all would like the idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baden-Württemberg Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 (edited) I don't understand all the hate in this thread. Lots of alliances are set up like this, the two leaping to the top of my head being Umbrella and Valhalla. Most embassies are not used to discuss sensitive issues and if they are, they're given a private passworded embassy. As long as the diplomats take the time to acquaint themselves with the embassy setup (like checking to see if they can read other embassies) then this should cause absolutely no problems. Yeah, that's my opinion as well. As far as I know NPO doesn't have protected Embassies for over 2 years now? It's nothing new, it makes things easier, and I have never seen secret stuff in an Embassy.When people release secret stuff, they release IRC logs from secret channels, queries, or screenshots from the private Member area. I have hardly seen someone posting secret stuff from someone else Embassy. Edited March 18, 2009 by Baden-Württemberg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erikz Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Well, at iFOK we use different masks for different alliances, that way we leave nothing by chance. This way someone from lets say TOP, can only see the TOP Embassy, whilst someone from VE can only see the VE embassy. That way people can post sensitive information and have discussions, without any worries that somebody not authorized or meant to can read it. I prefer our system > its a 'just to be sure' system, and not a lot of work at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princessro07 Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 I don't understand all the hate in this thread. Lots of alliances are set up like this, the two leaping to the top of my head being Umbrella and Valhalla. Most embassies are not used to discuss sensitive issues and if they are, they're given a private passworded embassy. As long as the diplomats take the time to acquaint themselves with the embassy setup (like checking to see if they can read other embassies) then this should cause absolutely no problems. My thoughts exactly. Most of the chat that goes on in embassies isn't confidential information anyway. The information that is can be moved to one of NADC's more secure conference rooms. If a more well-liked alliance had made a similar announcement, I wonder if the same people would be giving them crap... Good luck making your forums work better for you NADC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willaim Kreiger Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 My thoughts exactly. Most of the chat that goes on in embassies isn't confidential information anyway. The information that is can be moved to one of NADC's more secure conference rooms. If a more well-liked alliance had made a similar announcement, I wonder if the same people would be giving them crap...Good luck making your forums work better for you NADC. Lots of people like their diplomatic talks to be somewhat guarded. It kind of creates a feeling of trust and amicability when you are one on one with people. Mostly I am criticizing this move because it just means the FA department is lazy. Some simple forum wizardry and you can create individual masks and embassies for everyone and everyone is happy. It doesn't make sense to switch to this more open policy. Also, congrats on updating from passwords. I hate those mother$%&@ers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomInterrupt Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Honestly I don't have a problem with this. I am also not a diplomat to the NADC though. I did a similar thing when I was Minister of Truth for the New Polar Order. What I did though, was to keep passwords in place for those few embassies that actually requested or required it. We all know most embassies are full of spam and newsletters, which there is no need to password protect. So my recommendation to the NADC is, enable security for those who really need it and feel it is important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Janova Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 The reason no-one says anything interesting in an embassy is because they aren't secure, to a large degree . I know there are lots of meaningful topics in various embassies on the Grämlins board, and in our embassies on other people's boards – though fortunately not on NADC's. If your forum won't let you set up the masks (or individual overrides which is what we do) then get better forum software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hizzy Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Lots of people like their diplomatic talks to be somewhat guarded. It kind of creates a feeling of trust and amicability when you are one on one with people. Mostly I am criticizing this move because it just means the FA department is lazy. Some simple forum wizardry and you can create individual masks and embassies for everyone and everyone is happy. It doesn't make sense to switch to this more open policy.Also, congrats on updating from passwords. I hate those mother$%&@ers. So, you'd rather set up an individual mask for every alliance on Planet Bob? Seriously dude, you need a girlfriend... friend with benefits... hell, a bottle of moisturizer and some tissue. You got way too much time on your hands. Nueva Vida recently switched to a mixed system... secure embassies for our allies, and an open hall for everyone else with the option of having access to a secure conference room if the need arises. I doubt non-allies are going to be posting anything that's too confidential anyways, so why do they need secure embassies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princessro07 Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 So, you'd rather set up an individual mask for every alliance on Planet Bob? Seriously dude, you need a girlfriend... friend with benefits... hell, a bottle of moisturizer and some tissue. You got way too much time on your hands.Nueva Vida recently switched to a mixed system... secure embassies for our allies, and an open hall for everyone else with the option of having access to a secure conference room if the need arises. I doubt non-allies are going to be posting anything that's too confidential anyways, so why do they need secure embassies? That's the system I've always thought most effective. With alliance numbers well over 200 (or is it 300 now?), a different mask for every alliance simply isn't practical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haven for Peace Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 (edited) People need to relax. There are other alliances who don't do private embassies. Not to mention, it's not like other diplomats are gonna go into your embassy and read all your secrets. Most diplomats only visit their alliance's embassy anyway. So, you'd rather set up an individual mask for every alliance on Planet Bob? Seriously dude, you need a girlfriend... friend with benefits... hell, a bottle of moisturizer and some tissue. You got way too much time on your hands. A lot of alliances have this system, and it doesn't even take a lot of time. Two minutes, at the most. Not to mention, it's not like he goes through the list of alliances in Planet Bob and creates an embassy with private mask one by one. You make them as they come. Edited March 18, 2009 by Star Gazing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cairna Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Some alliances have always had this policy. It doesn't really remove the possibility of having private conversations. Just makes it more work, which really isn't all that helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willaim Kreiger Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 (edited) So, you'd rather set up an individual mask for every alliance on Planet Bob? Seriously dude, you need a girlfriend... friend with benefits... hell, a bottle of moisturizer and some tissue. You got way too much time on your hands.Nueva Vida recently switched to a mixed system... secure embassies for our allies, and an open hall for everyone else with the option of having access to a secure conference room if the need arises. I doubt non-allies are going to be posting anything that's too confidential anyways, so why do they need secure embassies? Set up a couple pre-requisites, 50 members, 250k NS, or something along those lines and then make them apply for an embassy, the list doesn't get too big. And to be fair, Dajobo did all the work and his $@! is married, so he has all the time in the world Edited March 18, 2009 by Willaim Kreiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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