Veritas Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Alright well 2 days ago i went from 7,999.99 inf to 8909.99 inf and i'm making less money than i did before. That kinda made me sad but it also makes me wonder what is the highest point of infrastructure you can have without losing money. If anyone has the answer to this i'd greatly appreciate it. -Veritas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivellios Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Interesting, I currently have 8,400 infra and when I went over the 7,999 I continued to see an increase in collection amounts. Do you have all the vitals like construction BR and Infra cost/upkeep reducing wonder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sanders Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 (edited) nvm Ivellios only has 5 wonders and he seems to be doing fine Edited October 15, 2007 by Bob Sanders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veritas Posted October 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Oh i definately saw an increase in collection amounts I make about 1m more than i did before but pay about 2m more in infra bills. It could be that i'm just not remembering my numbers correctly. Regardless though does anyone know the optimum amount of infrastructure? -Veritas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Necrostopheles Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 I've seen nations with over 11,000 inf., so I assume it's still profitable to keep going - just the rate of profit declines. For the longest time I used to think that trade resources didn't make much of a difference until I lined up my optimal trade. Well, I was wrong; $700k/day wrong, so that's something you may want to look at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veritas Posted October 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 I have the optimal trade setup for my nation. Alot of nations go way up in inf simply to be the highest rank in inf rather than because it's proffitable. -Veritas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 The break point even is somewhere around 13k infra. Make sure you have labor camps built and a good resource combination (3bg with fish and uranium if possible). With bad trades infra is not profitable much earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syzygy Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 (edited) Veritas, i did the same thing some weeks ago and my profit per day has risen constantly. Is it possible that you just have a wrong memory of your bills earlier? your nations setup looks absolutely fine, and i personally could not see a reason why you should earn less cash then before. at least the known game mechanics do not support such an assumption. edit: new bad events or did you had events earlier that now have expired unnoticed? (expired events are deleted at some point, even if you dont delete them manually). Edited October 15, 2007 by (DAC)Syzygy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veritas Posted October 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Gaaaaa it's the evil syzygy. I think your probably right i think i'm just crazy and am not recalling it right. -Veritas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veritas Posted October 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Oh Hey syzygy i noticed your nation is as 8899.99 while mine is at 8909.99 is there a increase going over 8899.99? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syzygy Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 no, i just purchased 550 spies first (55M), else i already would be above 9k. there is no more increase after 7999.99+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drai Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Admin mentioned somewhere, but I couldn't provide a link, that there's a 15k jump, but that probably won't be an issue for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syzygy Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 our research has proven that with the current maximum nation setup (all wonders, all improvements, best trade setup, no nukes) at 13,200 infra there is a break-even point. at this point, buying more infra would lower your daily profits, because the infra-upkeep-increase eats up the additional income *completely*. buying above this point would only hurt your nation. so, until no new wonders or tech improvements are added, nobody has to care about an 15k infra jump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorp Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 I'm guessing that we won't have a lineup of nations at 13,200 because boredom will make them fall the entire way back down. Sped up by the 15k infra jump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Paul Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 our research has proven that with the current maximum nation setup (all wonders, all improvements, best trade setup, no nukes) at 13,200 infra there is a break-even point. at this point, buying more infra would lower your daily profits, because the infra-upkeep-increase eats up the additional income *completely*. buying above this point would only hurt your nation. so, until no new wonders or tech improvements are added, nobody has to care about an 15k infra jump. What about with max nukes? What are your bills? What is your tax collection? Any events affecting it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syzygy Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 at this point you collect around 23M tax (without nukes) or 22.2M tax (with 20 nukes). your daily bills are around 11.6M (without nukes) and 11.9M (with 20 nukes). So your daily profit is around 11.3M without nukes or 10.3M with 20 nukes. That said, without maintaining nukes the break even point for infra lies at around 13,200infra. with 20 nukes at around 12,900infra. no events, of course. trade setup is 3BG + Fish + Uranium. 50,000 soldiers + 5,000 tanks + 50 CMs + 60 Aircraft military. 5,000 land and 6,000 tech. Total NS: ~180k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zabee Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 when people get around that point admin will probally lower infra bill or something just like he lowered the infra bill over 5k infra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Paul Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 (edited) at this point you collect around 23M tax (without nukes) or 22.2M tax (with 20 nukes). your daily bills are around 11.6M (without nukes) and 11.9M (with 20 nukes). So your daily profit is around 11.3M without nukes or 10.3M with 20 nukes. That said, without maintaining nukes the break even point for infra lies at around 13,200infra. with 20 nukes at around 12,900infra. no events, of course. trade setup is 3BG + Fish + Uranium. 50,000 soldiers + 5,000 tanks + 50 CMs + 60 Aircraft military. 5,000 land and 6,000 tech. Total NS: ~180k Thank you, sir. Edited October 16, 2007 by Ron Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syzygy Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 when people get around that point admin will probally lower infra bill or something just like he lowered the infra bill over 5k infra i think the concept of "tech improvements" or "research" have a good chance to come in the next some months. right now there are a few good ideas around, and they are easy to implement. (1 improvement every 100tech, 5max per type, priced between improvements and wonders) - or something similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enrique Barrentos Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Four words to live by: NEVER STOP BUYING INFRASTRUCTURE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lastr0ce Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Four words to live by: NEVER STOP BUYING INFRASTRUCTURE. You're pretty low considering your age and NS, so in your case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crymson Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 I have the optimal trade setup for my nation. Alot of nations go way up in inf simply to be the highest rank in inf rather than because it's proffitable. -Veritas Make sure you're using labor camps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedestro Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 (edited) Just in realistic terms, you can never have too much infra. Not sure how that matches up to CN with upkeep and things, But that's the way it should be if not currently. EDIT: Well in rl you can have too much infra, but planet bob is infinite for now so infra should be too Edited October 18, 2007 by thedestro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enrique Barrentos Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 You're pretty low considering your age and NS, so in your case Exactly right. Hey, all the tech I've purchased over time was expensive. I have it calculated to around $107 million I've spent on technology alone prior to my joining The Grämlins. If I had spend that on infrastructure, I'd be way up there in infra but be lacking the tech! I'm a tech addict! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lastr0ce Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 Exactly right. Hey, all the tech I've purchased over time was expensive. I have it calculated to around $107 million I've spent on technology alone prior to my joining The Grämlins. If I had spend that on infrastructure, I'd be way up there in infra but be lacking the tech! I'm a tech addict! you? a tech addict? Lastr0ce is made out of tech, my friend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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