So, how's it going?

[Machiabelly]

29 hours or so since last update (stupid rl). This has been updated now Dec. 15th 4:30 pm est

The Defendant:

MI 463,029 -> 430,137 -> 410,620 -> 372,903 -> 240,038 -> 210,778 -> 188,033 -> 163,107 ->

pornstars 49,942 -> 51,283 -> 49,963 -> 48,865 -> 45,790 ->

TUF - 120,707 -> 108,516 -> 101,060 -> 99,249 ->

Total 412,028 -> 369,257 -> 337,958 -> 308,146 ->

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The Prosecutors:

GDA - 158,693 -> 157,971 ->158,915 -> 158,045 -> 165,540 -> 164,771 -> 169,580 -> 169,512 ->

RE - 135,948 -> 124,289 ->123,320 -> 113,410 -> 101,663 -> 98,545 -> 106,690 -> 108,377 ->

CE - 118,187 -> 122,679 -> 122,578 -> 125,045 -> 131,233 -> 133,900 -> 130,667 ->134,595 ->

UW - 119,246 -> 119,031 -> 119,448 -> 117,927-> 113,859 -> 122,806 -> 126,547 -> 124,193 ->

FARK - 102,131 -> 112,024 -> 114,676 -> 113,925 -> 122, 573 -> 125,170 -> 131,628 -> 132,757 ->

OJ - 103,060 -> 109,946 -> 111,013 -> 112,072 -> 115,268 -> 118,605 -> 125,687 -> 130,153 ->

Wolverines - 47,392 -> 48,593 -> 49,729 -> 47,593 ->32,523 -> 34,703 -> 34,910 -> 34,501 ->

Ubercon - 38,074 -> 40,379 -> 40,429 -> 39,007 -> 27,527 -> 22,957 -> 20,791 -> 19,004 ->

MHA ? ->259,682 -> 277,852 -> 291,525 -> 300,333 -> 316,893 ->

NAACW ? -> 208,912 -> 212,913 -> 223,147 -> 231,049 ->

Total 1,296,950 -> 1,325,895 -> 1,369,980 -> 1,401,034 ->

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Nation numbers

Murder Inc - 327 -> 318 -> 290 -> 285 -> 281 -> 274 ->

Pornstars - 38 -> 40 -> 41 -> 41 -> 42 ->

TUF - 122 -> 121 -> 122 -> 123 ->

Total - 452 -> 447 -> 444 -> 439

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GDA - 128 -> 128 -> 137 -> 137 -> 139 -> 140 ->

RE - 126 -> 126 -> 139 -> 142 -> 146 -> 145 ->

CE - 86 -> 88 -> 91 -> 93 -> 91 -> 92 ->

UW - 88 ->86 -> 89 -> 94 -> 97 -> 97 ->

FARK - 79 -> 80 -> 83 -> 84 -> 87 -> 88 ->

OJ - 83 -> 84 -> 82 -> 82 -> 84 -> 85 ->

Wol. - 33 -> 32 -> 33 -> 33 -> 33 -> 32 ->

Uber - 23 -> 23 -> 23 -> 22 -> 22 -> 22 ->

MHA - ? -> 166 -> 173 -> 178 -> 183 -> 191 ->

NAACW - ? -> 109 -> 109 -> 111 -> 114 -> 1006

Total - 606 -> 775 -> 959 -> 974 -> 993 ->

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Score:

Murder Inc - 27.47 -> 26.71 -> 26.06 -> 25.17 ->

Pornstars - 3.85 -> 3.91 -> 3.87 -> 3.93 ->

TUF - 11.62 -> 11.40 -> 11.38 -> 11.38 ->

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GDA - 13.15 -> 13.05 -> 13.15 -> 13.14 ->

RE - 13.12 -> 13.29 -> 13.57 -> 13.39 ->

CE - 8.81 -> 8.93 -> 8.67 -> 8.71 ->

UW - 8.57 -> 8.99 -> 9.2 -> 9.13 ->

FARK - 8.04 -> 8.08 -> 8.31 -> 8.35 ->

OJ - 7.93 -> 7.88 -> 8.02 -> 8.07 ->

Wol. - 3.15 -> 3.13 -> 3.10 -> 2.99 ->

Uber - 2.21 -> 2.08 -> 2.06 -> 2.04 ->

MHA - 16.85 -> 17.21 -> 17.56 -> 18.22 ->

NAACW - 10.72 -> 10.66 -> 10.79 -> 11.02 ->

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Anarchies

Murder Inc - 104 ->133 -> 190 -> 201 -> 208 -> 210 ->

Pornstars - 7 -> 11 -> 12 -> 14 -> 17 ->

TUF - 64 -> 69 -> 74 -> 72 ->

GDA - 33 ->36 -> 36 -> 38 -> 36 -> 39 ->

RE - 87 -> 84 -> 99 -> 90 -> 80 -> 77 ->

CE - 11 -> 15-> 20 -> 23 -> 21 -> 19 ->

UW - 14 -> 13 -> 32 -> 31 -> 29 -> 30 ->

FARK - 7 -> 7 -> 4 -> 3 -> 6 -> 6 ->

OJ - 9 -> 10-> 10 -> 9 -> 8 -> 9 ->

Wol. - 5 -> 4 -> 15 -> 10 -> 9 ->5 ->

Uber - 2 -> 9 -> 16 -> 16 -> 15 -> 16 ->

MHA - 10 -> 11 -> 13 -> 11 -> 9 ->

NAACW - 4 -> 4 -> 3 -> 4 ->

If I have an alliance on here that shouldn't be, or am missing one, let me know.

I left TUF and Pornstar on here since I am not 100% sure they are out of the war, let me know if they should be dropped.

MHA gained 1.2 in score on MI 5-6 more days to catch them at this pace. Still a longg way to go.

Edited December 15, 2008 by Machiabelly

[arentak]

As #1, I'm sure MI had plenty of ghosts. I thank them for their noble service in being targets for Judgement.

The stats are interesting. They show a war that is only slightly uneven, not horridly uneven.

[Owned-You]

Indeed MI is putting up an impressive fight.

[Andrewbw]

What about NAACW?

[FreedomvilleAT]

You forgot the third strongest alliance in this game and btw, there's no need for everyone to do stats now.

[SilentKilla]

LOL i love the comparison of anarchied nations...and you think its amazing because its even. yes the number of anarchied nations are almost even...but look at it this way.

Defendents

265 of 452 nations in anarchy = 58.6%

Judgment

243 of 850 nations in anarchy = 28.5%

Wow....not so close anymore....

[Machiabelly]

i am in CE, so if I was biased it would be the other way. The fact that they are out numbered better than 2-1 and are going 1-1 in anarchies surprised me. If you expected it, then hats off to you.

I will put NAACW in

I started these comparisons hours after the first blitz. If others are doing stats then that is up to them. If you think this isn't needed, don't read it anymore. I think that this one combines all the stats that are spread out in other threads, and is therefore usefull

[Owned-You]

i am in CE, so if I was biased it would be the other way. The fact that they are out numbered better than 2-1 and are going 1-1 in anarchies surprised me. If you expected it, then hats off to you.

I concur, the fact that MI can manage successful attacks with the odds far against there favor either means Murder Inc. knows how to wage war effectively and coordinate very good blitzes or Judgement is not operating at it's full capability or efficiency against Murder Inc. I'd reckon it's a little bit of both, but time will tell.

[crazymatty]

LOL i love the comparison of anarchied nations...and you think its amazing because its even. yes the number of anarchied nations are almost even...but look at it this way.

Defendants

265 of 452 nations in anarchy = 58.6%

Judgment

243 of 850 nations in anarchy = 28.5%

Wow....not so close anymore....

Or you could look at it like this:

It took Judgement 850 nations to Anarchy 265.

It only took the Defendants 452 nations to Anarchy 243.

Your right...it is not close at all.

[SilentKilla]

that would work if all 850 nations were at war...and they aren't. Sorry.....try again.

[Smiley Town]

Or you could look at it like this:

It took Judgement 850 nations to Anarchy 265.

It only took the Defendants 452 nations to Anarchy 243.

Your right...it is not close at all.

Wait - are you saying it only takes a couple of people from MI and its honorable allies to anarchy a single target, while it requires 3 or 4 members of Judgment to do the same? Interesting...

that would work if all 850 nations were at war...and they aren't. Sorry.....try again.

Oh, so Judgment isn't the principled, cohesive, determined group it holds itself out to be? Also interesting...

Edited December 12, 2008 by Smiley Town

[rabonnobar]

It is slightly impressive, yes, but fact is a large amount of nations in all the alliances were anarchied prior to this war due to tech raids gone bad, etc. I believe UW had around 15 or 16 itself. And with Judgment having more nations/alliances, it's natural that a higher number of their nations (though not necessarily percentage) of nations would be in anarchy.

Still pretty good. Not enough for MI to think they can win, but something for them to be proud of nevertheless.

[SilentKilla]

Wait - are you saying it only takes a couple of people from MI and its honorable allies to anarchy a single target, while it requires 3 or 4 members of Judgment to do the same? Interesting...

You realize you just said the same thing....wow it takes 2-3 from each side to do that same thing. Interesting indeed.....

Then again if you've got the ability to send 4 members to attack we're defintely gonna be at a disadvantage....YIKES!

[Smiley Town]

You realize you just said the same thing....wow it takes 2-3 from each side to do that same thing. Interesting indeed.....

Well, that was an incredibly dense statement.

I'll give you that "couple" isn't crystal clear. Where I'm from, "a couple" is usually equivalent to 2. In this case, the real number for MI and allies is less than 2. So you can replace "a couple" with "1 to 2." Sorry for any confusion there.

However, I'm not sure how you can make "3 or 4 members" equivalent to 2-3. You'll have to show me how to do that fancy new math.

So, less than 2 from one side, more than 3 from the other. Put another way, roughly half as many MI members and allies to get one anarchy. Half. Or less than half.

Again, interesting...

[SilentKilla]

Edit: I see where the confusion is. I'm talking about attacking nations only, while your talking about attacking and defending. So there is where we differed in our posts...my apology there.

The problem i have with your statement above then is your assuming the defending nation MI has attack, attacked back. So far in the 4 wars i've been in against MI, only 1 has defended himself, 1 has gone POW then broke POW terms to return to fighting under MI and the other 2 abandoned MI for another alliance. So you can see why I thought something different....

Edited December 12, 2008 by SilentKilla

[Arcane]

Here's a couple of things to consider.. and I only know a couple of numbers:

Going in, GDA had nearly 30 anarchies already, Fark had 7, UW had a bunch, CE had a bunch, etc. I don't think we've taken a heck of a lot of anarchies in this war, many of them were already there.

A vast majority of the anarchies comes from Roman Empire (99 out of the 265 or whatever that number is). it's important to recognize that MI had a huge tactical advantage going after Roman Empire because of their size as well as the fact that most RE nations were not prepared for incoming. And what this did was put a large number of MI nations into Defcon 1 maxed out with soldiers. Had we, Judgment, been able to attack an unsuspecting MI, the numbers of MI nations in anarchy would've been higher already, but because we weren't hitting a soft target, it took longer and cost us more to do it.

Don't get me wrong, I think MI has put up a good fight, but I think the way these numbers are presented don't tell the whole story.

[Machiabelly]

Stats will never show the whole story.

[Believland]

Your missing the #1 Defendant. ME! thanks for updating this

[Arcane]

Stats will never show the whole story.

Oh, and my apologies.. I should have thanked you for posting the stats, too. I meant to do it, it just slipped my mind while I was responding.

[Believland]

Oh, and my apologies.. I should have thanked you for posting the stats, too. I meant to do it, it just slipped my mind while I was responding.

That's what they all say

[Machiabelly]

LOL BEazy. And you're welcome Arcane, no worries.

[K1L1O]

Please just give us compliments

[Believland]

No compliment me wait I'm serious

[bendale]

It is slightly impressive, yes, but fact is a large amount of nations in all the alliances were anarchied prior to this war due to tech raids gone bad, etc. I believe UW had around 15 or 16 itself. And with Judgment having more nations/alliances, it's natural that a higher number of their nations (though not necessarily percentage) of nations would be in anarchy.

Still pretty good. Not enough for MI to think they can win, but something for them to be proud of nevertheless.

Roman empire already had 87 Anarchies before the start of the war.

[XRCatD]

Roman empire already had 87 Anarchies before the start of the war.

The 87 anarchies, before the start of the Judgment war, were mostly done by Murder Inc.

It was part of strategy for Murder Inc. to focus fire on Roman Empire, just like how after Judgment declared war, it was part of strategy for them to focus fire on individuals in Murder Inc. and not the entire alliance.

Edited December 13, 2008 by XRCatD