shingo Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 For those of you with a SDI wonder and have had it tested, I would like to know how effective it is. thx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myruler Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI) - $75,000,000 - Reduces odds of a successful nuclear attack against your nation by 60%. The SDI wonder also requires 3 satellites and 3 missile defenses and those satellites and missile defenses cannot be deleted once the wonder is developed. Hmm...I think I am going to take a wild guess and say it is about 60% effective Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uaciaut Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 (edited) It helped me sprinkle my flowers Well at 48k NS i'd buy it if i were you Edited March 31, 2008 by uaciaut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shingo Posted March 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Hmm...I think I am going to take a wild guess and say it is about 60% effective I am pretty sure you do not believe everything you read. I know I don't. That is why I was asking for someone who has had it field tested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirreille Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 One thing for you to consider Shingo; I don't know this for a fact(since wonders are way over my level anyway), but I have heard that even if the SDI works they can keep lobbing nukes at you until they get one through. It's not like it protects you for a day or two or anything, it just ups the amount they need to fling at you to get a hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shingo Posted March 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 One thing for you to consider Shingo; I don't know this for a fact(since wonders are way over my level anyway), but I have heard that even if the SDI works they can keep lobbing nukes at you until they get one through. It's not like it protects you for a day or two or anything, it just ups the amount they need to fling at you to get a hit. I know that and that is what I really am trying to find out. How many are stopped before one gets through. I am sure it is pretty random, but I was hoping someone who had used it would chime in. For those of us that have not seen it used, we can only speculate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0n3yman Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 A high-ranked NPOer blocked 9 consecutive nuke attempts in quick succession. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shingo Posted March 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 A high-ranked NPOer blocked 9 consecutive nuke attempts in quick succession. Thank you. Anyone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o ya baby Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 I heard Bob Sanders blocked 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderland Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Thank you. Anyone else? The person I was fighting had almost an exact 60% successful block rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iMatt Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 I heard Bob Sanders blocked 7. Yes, this is true. The guy even put in a bug report because he thought there was a glitch. I'm sure when admin says it's 60% chance, then it is. what remains to be seen is whether it has the same cluster of success/failure (just like events come in clusters, maybe successful nukes come in clusters) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myruler Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 If he writes in 60%, I'm sure he programmed it in as 60%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArgonV Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 So if I have an SDI and someone fires two missiles at me, I've got a 36% chance none will hit, a 48% chance one will hit and a 16% chance both will hit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderland Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 So if I have an SDI and someone fires two missiles at me, I've got a 36% chance none will hit, a 48% chance one will hit and a 16% chance both will hit? Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedestro Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Those scenarios can't really be taken as baseline samples per se. The probability is subjective to everyone, so 10 people can say they blocked all their nukes; because it turns out they were just lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youwish959 Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 One thing for you to consider Shingo; I don't know this for a fact(since wonders are way over my level anyway), but I have heard that even if the SDI works they can keep lobbing nukes at you until they get one through. It's not like it protects you for a day or two or anything, it just ups the amount they need to fling at you to get a hit. Burning through the enemies nuke supply not only saves you, but it also saves your buddy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embereus Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 That's a good way of looking at it, youwish959. Honestly, I think even a 60% decrease in success rate is superb. Matches the price of the wonder well for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sanders Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 Yes, this is true. The guy even put in a bug report because he thought there was a glitch.I'm sure when admin says it's 60% chance, then it is. what remains to be seen is whether it has the same cluster of success/failure (just like events come in clusters, maybe successful nukes come in clusters) Even with that hotstreak I have averaged out to around 60% over time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noob Cake Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 I DoW on you for the purpose of SDI testing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brotherington Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 its blocked roughly 60% of nukes fired at me since i bought it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zangmonkey Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 (edited) EDIT: Apparently you can't be nuked more than once per day? That's nice... Let me do some more math Here are some simple numbers for what the 60% means: If you are in a war and are declared on by three attackers and each of them nukes you each day: The odds of a *miss* is .6 The odds of hit is then .4 So the odds that three, indepedent nukings will all miss is .6^3 = .216 In that regard, you are still 1-.216 = 78.4% likely to get hit by *at least* one nuke. However, on the bright side, there is only about a 23% chance that TWO nukes will hit you and only a 6.4% chance that all three will hit you The chance of exactly one nuke hitting is then 14.4% and the chance of every nuke missing should be about 21.6% (Don't check my math with subtraction here, these are *ALL* approximations) does that help? What the SDI gives you is that fantastic odds for three nukes here. Previously, there was 100% chance that all three will hit you. So your odds of avoiding a triple nuke strike daily with an SDI are about 16 times better now than they were before. Coming up next, the expectation value of lost infra Let's presume that you lost 150 infra per nuclear attack. Without an SDI, your expected nuclear loss per day is 450 infra With an SDI, your expected loss per day is 21.6 + 69 + 28.8 = 120 -The bottom line! If you are in a nuclear war with three attackers, your expected infra loss PER DAY is reduced from 450 to 120 or 275% At full damage, that's 330 * 10 = 3300 What does 3300 infra cost you? More than 75 million I bet. Edited April 2, 2008 by Matthew PK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sanders Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 Here are some simple numbers for what the 60% means:If you are in a war and are declared on by three attackers and each of them nukes you each day: The odds of a *miss* is .6 The odds of hit is then .4 So the odds that three, indepedent nukings will all miss is .6^3 = .129 In that regard, you are still 1-.129 = 87.1% likely to get hit by *at least* one nuke. However, on the bright side, there is only about a 23% chance that TWO nukes will hit you and only a 6.4% chance that all three will hit you does that help? What the SDI gives you is that fantastic odds for three nukes here. Previously, there was 100% chance that all three will hit you. So your odds of avoiding a triple nuke strike daily with an SDI are about 16 times better now than they were before. Coming up next, the expectation value of lost infra My odds of getting nuked more than once a day are 0% and always have been even before I got my SDI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oinkoink12 Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 My odds of getting nuked more than once a day are 0% and always have been even before I got my SDI. QFT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zangmonkey Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 My odds of getting nuked more than once a day are 0% and always have been even before I got my SDI. orly? You can only be nuked once per day? I guess I've never had to fight two nuclear armed opponents simultaneously. Well then, this calls for more math! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chefjoe Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 bottom line is this. I have been involved in quite a few nuke wars since getting my SDI. It has greatly reduced the amount of total damage I could have taken by helping reduce my oponents nuclear cache by having him fire and waste a few nukes on me in order to actually get one thru. Over a 7 day war combined with my spying 2 nukes a day away it has generaly made it so by day 3 or 4 they were out of nukes. Over the entire time the % is running right at about 60% but like I said coupled with the effective use of spy's it GREATLY reduces overall damage taken to myself and my war partners. That being said I highly recommend you do NOT purchase one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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