Shave N Haircut Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 The Ukraine had a ship sailing in the Pacific not even near France's claims to that region. That ship was sunk today. Many Hungarian, Belorussian, and Ukrainian naval men will not be returning home to their families and children at home. Adding to the stressful situation, those families will also no longer be able to provide for themselves economically. That ship was shot down by France in defense of a nation known as "Tikal" who is not in Europe or a member of the European Community. This nation has no treaties that have been announced publicly with France. It is with these actions, Ukraine requests France be removed for violating article D. The Ukraine will work with her allies and friends in The European Community to hopefully help resolve a peaceful matter to this issue. This act of blatant aggression cannot go un-noted. The French government made it very clear that no ship of the listed nationalities would be allowed to pass. It is on the heads of the Ukrainian government who insisted that they go ahead that those men and women are dead, France only held true to our words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEDCJT Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 "There is no clause that outlines the process of suspension or otherwise expulsion of a security member for alleged violations of part of the European Community Charter." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beauty Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 (edited) "There is no clause that outlines the process of suspension or otherwise expulsion of a security member for alleged violations of part of the European Community Charter." "So we can attack each other and the articles do not matter anymore?" questions Svetlana with a confused look on her face. Edited June 16, 2014 by Rotavele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euphaia Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 A treaty that does not need to be followed is a useless and worthless one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEDCJT Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 "All we are saying is that any expulsion proceedings against France is not possible at this period of time, until the Charter is modified to include such a clause." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beauty Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 (edited) "All we are saying is that any expulsion proceedings against France is not possible at this period of time, until the Charter is modified to include such a clause." "Then what does Muscovy suggest?" Edited June 16, 2014 by Rotavele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shave N Haircut Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 (edited) France has not been involved in any aggression, only defense of a measure we put in place to keep the Commonwealth from interfering in the investigations ongoing in Hawaii, and to keep them from extending their influence over any islands which were formerly Hawaiian. If anyone is the aggressor, it is Ukraine, for blatantly and knowingly stepping into this zone. Edited June 16, 2014 by Shave N Haircut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEDCJT Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 (edited) "We propose that discussions be held among all members (security and general) of this Community regarding the inclusion of a suspension/expulsion clause and its protocols. Understand, though, that should such a clause be added to the Charter, it will be applied only to future violations of this Charter committed by members." Edited June 16, 2014 by JEDCJT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euphaia Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 Hungary-Slovakia never interfered with any ongoing investigations, nor did we ever have any intention to do so. Also, if the two sailors are still alive, please return them home, so we can conclude our business in the Pacific as soon as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoot Zoot Posted June 17, 2014 Report Share Posted June 17, 2014 Then let us break the mould. Following the 80% majority rule. The Empire votes to remove Ukraine from the European Community. Likewise, we also would like to inform the EC, that the Empire, in conjuction with the Kingdom of Axum have placed travel embargo's against Hungary-Slovakia, and Ukraine. The latter will most likely be lifted in the near future as the conflict is reaching its own resolution. However, Ukraine is under blockade and may not enter the Mediterranean. We urge our fellow EC nations to offer moral support for this operation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beauty Posted June 17, 2014 Report Share Posted June 17, 2014 (edited) C. Economic Pact Members of the Community shall undertake appropriate steps, actions, and policies to encourage and facilitate increased trade with each other. Such steps, actions, and policies include, but are not limited to, the reduction or elimination, whenever applicable, of tariffs and other protective barriers, with exceptions for certain industries as determined by the signatories. Imperial Announcment Following the example of our brothers in Axum and defending the interests of our allies in Alvonia, the Empire will likewise be stopping and siezing all Hungarian shipping that finds itself east of Crete. Furthermore, all Hungarian ships will be stopped and seized in the Indian ocean as part of a joint effort by the Imperial and Royal Navies of Babylon and Axum. "The Nation of New Babylon is also in violation of this treaty with its blockade of The Ukraine and Economic Penalties imposed on Hungary. This is not undertaking appropriate steps, actions, and politices encouraging or facilitating trade." Edited June 17, 2014 by Rotavele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shave N Haircut Posted June 17, 2014 Report Share Posted June 17, 2014 France condemns these operations by the nation of Babylon as vastly overreaching the severity of the situation and causing an escalation of exponential magnitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEDCJT Posted June 17, 2014 Report Share Posted June 17, 2014 (edited) The Empire has put forward a proposal to the EC's private chambers to have a vote on removing Ukraine as a member. Private to security members: "Exactly how can we conduct such a vote, and what protocols should such a vote go through, when there is no specific clause on suspending or otherwise removing a member of the EC for violations of the EC Charter?" OOC: Edited Edited June 17, 2014 by JEDCJT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lkfht Posted June 17, 2014 Report Share Posted June 17, 2014 The Republic of Italy condemns the gross overreach of power by the Babylonian Empire in reference to Ukraine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoot Zoot Posted June 17, 2014 Report Share Posted June 17, 2014 'We do a simple majority. I propose that Ukraine be removed from the EC. The Community votes yay or nay. After which we enshrine removal options into the treaty." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beauty Posted June 17, 2014 Report Share Posted June 17, 2014 "We remove someone we don't like from a treaty we've violated and then we will discuss proper protocol of removing someone" - became a famous line on hit Ukraine Parody Sketch show "Tuesday Night Live" this weekend as Babylon continues to violate their European Community treaty with Ukraine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEDCJT Posted June 17, 2014 Report Share Posted June 17, 2014 (edited) "Wouldn't it be more prudent to hold a separate discussion among EC members on the suspension/expulsion protocols and vote on it first before proceeding with the charges against the Ukraine? A simple majority vote is a good topic for discussion if any." Edited June 17, 2014 by JEDCJT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beauty Posted June 17, 2014 Report Share Posted June 17, 2014 "Wouldn't it be more prudent to hold a separate discussion among EC members on the suspension/expulsion protocols and vote on it first before proceeding with the charges against the Ukraine? A simple majority vote is a good topic for discussion if any." "This man is a genius" - Svetlana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoot Zoot Posted June 17, 2014 Report Share Posted June 17, 2014 "Wouldn't it be more prudent to hold a separate discussion among EC members on the suspension/expulsion protocols and vote on it first before proceeding with the charges against the Ukraine? A simple majority vote is a good topic for discussion if any." 'Then by all means proceed." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEDCJT Posted June 17, 2014 Report Share Posted June 17, 2014 (edited) "Very well. The discussion on the suspension or expulsion of EC members based on violations of the Charter now begins. Here's my idea: if a EC member(s) violates one or more articles, or deliberately commits actions that compromises the obligations of this organization as a first offense, a Security member(s) may propose the suspension of the offending nation(s) through a simple majority vote by the rest of the EC, security and general. At least one other Security members should sponsor this before this goes to a vote. If this passes, the offending nation(s) will be informed of their suspension. If a EC member or members persistently violates this Charter, or otherwise deliberately commits actions that seriously compromises the obligations of this organization, a Security member(s) may propose the expulsion of the offending nation(s) by a two-thirds majority vote by the rest of the EC. This should need the sponsorship of at least two other security members to go to a vote. If this passes, the offending nation(s) will be informed of their expulsion." Edited June 17, 2014 by JEDCJT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euphaia Posted June 17, 2014 Report Share Posted June 17, 2014 (edited) While Ukraine cetainly did something a little provocative, I point out that absolutely no harm was meant (we have been assured) nor done by the ship incident. It was by all means a peaceful, non-combative ship. Also, Ukraine had done nothing that we can see that breached this treaty or any internatioanal laws (as apparrently there are no international laws). We do not defend Ukraine's actions (other than pointing out no harm was meant nor done), but neither do we condone Ukraine's expulsion, especially when something far more provocative and disruptive is currently taking place. If such a vote on Ukraine is to be held, Hungary-Slovakia would first ask that the much more provocative blockade in the Crimea be ended first. It is unwarranted, and it indirectly impairs both Hungary-Slovakia's and Belarus' economies, rather it is meant to or not. This is a simple, honest, modest, and fair request, and the only request that we ask, as one last gesture of good-will towards our neighbor Ukraine; before Hungary-Slovakia cuts diplomatic ties with them tommorow morning. Thank you. Edited June 17, 2014 by Euphaia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beauty Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 "Very well. The discussion on the suspension or expulsion of EC members based on violations of the Charter now begins. Here's my idea: if a EC member(s) violates one or more articles, or deliberately commits actions that compromises the obligations of this organization as a first offense, a Security member(s) may propose the suspension of the offending nation(s) through a simple majority vote by the rest of the EC, security and general. At least one other Security members should sponsor this before this goes to a vote. If this passes, the offending nation(s) will be informed of their suspension. If a EC member or members persistently violates this Charter, or otherwise deliberately commits actions that seriously compromises the obligations of this organization, a Security member(s) may propose the expulsion of the offending nation(s) by a two-thirds majority vote by the rest of the EC. This should need the sponsorship of at least two other security members to go to a vote. If this passes, the offending nation(s) will be informed of their expulsion." "Ukraine would be in acceptance of this amendment." - Premier Svetlana K. While Ukraine cetainly did something a little provocative, I point out that absolutely no harm was meant (we have been assured) nor done by the ship incident. It was by all means a peaceful, non-combative ship. Also, Ukraine had done nothing that we can see that breached this treaty or any internatioanal laws (as apparrently there are no international laws). We do not defend Ukraine's actions (other than pointing out no harm was meant nor done), but neither do we condone Ukraine's expulsion, especially when something far more provocative and disruptive is currently taking place. If such a vote on Ukraine is to be held, Hungary-Slovakia would first ask that the much more provocative blockade in the Crimea be ended first. It is unwarranted, and it indirectly impairs both Hungary-Slovakia's and Belarus' economies, rather it is meant to or not. This is a simple, honest, modest, and fair request, and the only request that we ask, as one last gesture of good-will towards our neighbor Ukraine; before Hungary-Slovakia cuts diplomatic ties with them tommorow morning. Thank you. "The Ukraine SSR does take full responsibility and apologize to The European Community and the nations involved as whole for the ship heading to Hawaii in which France rightfully sank. We were under the assumption that the nation of Tikal intended to annex these regions in an imperialistic stance to gain the land and peoples for their own use. We were wrong in the stance and apologize to them and France for ignoring their warnings. Ukraine also apologizes to the families of the brave men and women who served on the USS Odessa which was sank by the French navy." - Premier Svetlana K. Private to all European Community Members, Including Babylon "We currently face a blockade by The Babylonian Empire. We do realize this is against The European Community treaty and do take that into heart. We however do not wish to escalate or cause an un-necessary blood shed for our foolish actions taken in the past in the Pacific. We at this time request that Babylon remove it's ships and aircraft from our regional airspace and sea claims. We have asked them over radio communications already. Ukraine is not an aggressive nation and will not shoot down these aircraft in accordance with The Non-Agression clause of the treaty with Babylon and the rest of The European Community. We do however ask that if they persist past future warnings if the act of removing the aircraft from our airspace will be seen as aggressive or defensive. Ukraine would also like to remind Babylon that these brave men fighting for their nation have children and families at home who wish to see for their father, husband, brother, etc to return home safely. It is needless and un-necessary to take one's life and cause hurt for the families of these brave men serving their nation for stubbornness. That is why Ukraine remains inconclusive on the execution of aerial defense forces. We ask you return our kindness and compassion and remove these aircraft and ships. Thank You." - Premier Svetlana K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californian Posted June 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 (edited) The Amendment allowing nations bordering the Mediterranean Sea has passed. The admission of Aidennic Alexandria has been approved. Welcome to the European Community, we invite you to send a permanent diplomatic delegation to Brussels. Edited June 20, 2014 by Californian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEDCJT Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 (edited) Lord Nikolai Kranin would address the EC. "I would like to bring your attention to the situation that is unfolding in eastern Europe, particularly the Baltic region. A new state calling itself the 'United Soviet Socialist Eurasia' attempted to claim the Baltic states, which currently is a protectorate of Muscovy, even going as far as to make several fradulent statements, such as former Ubersteinian soldiers joining the Bolsheviks. The same went for the region of Poland, which has been under Alvonia protection. The Ukraine stated its support for the Bolshevik polity, even going as far as to threaten retaliation against Alvonia if it moved against the Bolsheviks. Imagine, an EC member willing to attack another. Moreover, the Ukraine all but made threatening statements toward Muscovy, stating that if we "wish to continue [our] imperialist invasion of Eastern Europe," we would have to "go through the independent people in the USSE, Ukraine, and Hungary-Slovakia," implicitly disregarding our sovereignty and indicating their implicit willingness to attack us in the name of Bolshevism. All the while, they framed Muscovy's humanitarian intervention in the former Ubersteinia as an act of imperialism, when in fact we established a protectorate so the inhabitants there would be able to form a government of their own in the future, and that we in fact invited the Community to send peacekeepers there. In response to the situation, we placed our armed forces on high alert, and we will fight if attacked. To reiterate our point, the Ukraine is a member of the Community, yet it threatened Muscovy, condemned our actions, and threw its support behind a non-member state, violating several articles of the Charter. This is simply unacceptable, if not insulting, and demonstrates the untrustworthiness of the Ukraine. With this said, I call upon the European Community to take steps to resolve the situation." Edited June 20, 2014 by JEDCJT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californian Posted June 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 (edited) As a member of the European Community, we acknowledge that a fellow member state, Muscovy, has come under attack and had its sovereignty directly violated by the so-called "United Soviet Socialist Eurasia" group of revolutionaries. We stand in support of Muscovy and pledge it our support and aid, and we urge our fellow members to do the same and uphold their commitment to this charter and organization. We have no desire to enter conflict with any nation other to remove the threat currently facing Muscovy in the form of the USSE revolutionary movement should Muscovy request such assistance from the European Community. In regards to the provocative statements made by Ukraine, we remind it and all members that we have agreed to non-aggression with one another. While general members are not legally bound to assist in the defense of Muscovy, we hope that the European Community nations will activate the optional defense clause in support of a fellow member should Muscovy formally request it. Private to Security Council Should Muscovy request assistance, we should be prepared to uphold our mutual defense agreements and defend Muscovy from this threat. Edited June 20, 2014 by Californian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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