The Misfits Declare war

[yung flow]

It has come to my attention on 5/2 our allies RIOT have been attacked by the New League Of Nations. Our brothers are heavily out numbered with offensive wars almost doubled.
27 offensive wars for NLON
15 offensive wars for RIOT
Stats as of 5/4 12:54 PM

This may be criticized as a curb stomp at this point. Regardless of a higher NS our top 5 nations will not be offensively attacking. With this being said, the misfits herby declare war on the New League of Nations.

-Kaboom

[Beauty]

Best of luck Misfits!

 

o/

[OverlordShinnra]

RIOT already has more  NS, Avg. NS and Nukes. Why was this necessary?

[Darth Xalor]

This was necessary because our nations (RIOT's) are struggling due to the overwhelming numbers of defensive wars we are in. We are quite a bit smaller than our attackers, though I will openly admit that our upper tier nations are more than up to the task and are quite enjoying themselves. The point here, though, is that our lower tier is greatly out numbered.

[ChessTyrant]

If NLoN has actually got all of RIOT fighting on 6v3 terms, it's possible that the war would become fair. (And frankly, if their coordination is that good, NLoN deserves some serious praise for utilizing weaker resources to greater effect.) Otherwise, it looks like NLoN has already lost substantially more strength than RIOT and is in no way reversing this trend. Additionally, RIOT has 5 nukes/3 MPs, while NLoN has 2 nukes/0 MPs. I don't see quite how RIOT is getting curbstomped. 

 

Disclaimer: as above, it is legitimately possible for a numerically superior alliance with lower ANS to swamp their high-ANS opponents. Since nations deal approximately equal attack damage regardless of ANS, the small-nation alliance could quickly drag down the larger opposing nations while each of their nations lost less; by dealing far more damage to individual nations, they could effectively 'win' the war even if the stats showed otherwise. But again, RIOT's ANS and average infra levels are still well above NLoN's, so I'm not sure this is happening to a degree requiring intervention. 

Edited May 5, 2013 by Chess Tyrant

[yung flow]

If I got a dollar for each person that sits on the forums and acts like a critic everytime a DOW happened. I'd be rich. Just saying. Hello hypocrite community.....

[Darth Xalor]

If NLoN has actually got all of RIOT fighting on 6v3 terms, it's possible that the war would become fair. (And frankly, if their coordination is that good, NLoN deserves some serious praise for utilizing weaker resources to greater effect.) Otherwise, it looks like NLoN has already lost substantially more strength than RIOT and is in no way reversing this trend. Additionally, RIOT has 5 nukes/3 MPs, while NLoN has 2 nukes/0 MPs. I don't see quite how RIOT is getting curbstomped. 

 

Disclaimer: as above, it is legitimately possible for a numerically superior alliance with lower ANS to swamp their high-ANS opponents. Since nations deal approximately equal attack damage regardless of ANS, the small-nation alliance could quickly drag down the larger opposing nations while each of their nations lost less; by dealing far more damage to individual nations, they could effectively 'win' the war even if the stats showed otherwise. But again, RIOT's ANS and average infra levels are still well above NLoN's, so I'm not sure this is happening to a degree requiring intervention. 

The second half of your post explains quite clearly what I was trying to say earlier. I personally would not consider this war a curbstomp, especially since we are holding our own for the most part, but we are struggling to keep some of our smaller nations from being overwhelmed. Over all though, this has been a decent war.

 

Also, the only reason they have so few nukes (none atm), is because we've been spying them away. ;)

[OverlordShinnra]

tl;dr Our upper tier is doing great, our lower tier is struggling. Since this is a fair fight and we can't have that we brought in more Misfits nations to make it easy.

[OverlordShinnra]

If I got a dollar for each person that sits on the forums and acts like a critic everytime a DOW happened. I'd be rich. Just saying. Hello hypocrite community.....

 

If you were active and read each DoW then you would notice that some DoW's have gotten some praise recently. Some examples of good wars this round that have little to no complaints about them ...

 

TPC vs. NS + WAPA stragglers

RE vs. OP

ODN vs. TFK

[JonBoy16]

What Overlord Shinnra said is pretty much how I read it too. It sounds like too many people like their imaginary nation size too much. :)

[JonBoy16]

If I got a dollar for each person that sits on the forums and acts like a critic everytime a DOW happened. I'd be rich. Just saying. Hello hypocrite community.....

Says the person who has been around for all of 12 posts.

[yung flow]

I prefer to only read than to join into your critic massacres. Hate to end up like a whining girl like yourselves. I am aware of some of the bogus declares...but hey I'm not going to criticize them and point fingers. It's all in good fun. Well to some..... Others get very serious and personal. Would you like me to complain about citadel and TPC bogus declare at the beginning of the round or move on with things.

[KingBilly1]

NLoN has a lot of smaller nations.... That being said, i rest my case ;)

Edit: with all our bigger nations not able to fight this war is fairly even? If you add up the nations that RIOT and Misfits can use for this fight, you will probably see an even match :) just because our strength is double, doesnt mean we can use it to our advantage! NLoN nations must outnumber our lower tier 2-1 and with RIOT it makes it about even.

Edited May 5, 2013 by EddyH

[JonBoy16]

I prefer to only read than to join into your critic massacres. Hate to end up like a whining girl like yourselves.

Hypocrite much? ;)

[OverlordShinnra]

NLoN has a lot of smaller nations.... That being said, i rest my case ;)

Edit: with all our bigger nations not able to fight this war is fairly even? If you add up the nations that RIOT and Misfits can use for this fight, you will probably see an even match :) just because our strength is double, doesnt mean we can use it to our advantage! NLoN nations must outnumber our lower tier 2-1 and with RIOT it makes it about even.

 

 

I seem to see the problem here. An inability to count correctly. 

 

Currently NLON has 26 nations with 62k NS, 2.4k avg NS and no nukes (I think yesterday it was something like 30 Nations, 76k NS, 3k Avg and 2 nukes?)

 

RIOT currently has 16 nations with 83k NS, 5.2k avg NS and 4 Nukes 

Misfits (excluding the top 5) has 12 nations with 56k NS, 4.7k avg Ns and 0 Nukes

 

 

So basically you now have a 44% nation strength advantage, over 100% avg NS advantage and nukes when the other team doesn't have any. There is no category of this war that is "even" atm.

[Darth Xalor]

When the war was initiated NLON had more nukes than RIOT, and they were definitely in a better position than us at the time. If things look uneven now, it is only because we are better coordinated and were able to make a nice recovery. We had multiple nations spying away nukes during the first two days and we have had multiple of upper tier nations that have had to sell off land just to be able to join the fight because they could not attack NLON nations. This whole thing is due to RIOT being out numbered in the lower tiers. Do not blame the Misfits for being there to help RIOT, they were just holding up a their end of a treaty. I asked that the Misfits help with the lower ranges because I was concerned about some of our newer nations. We had more nations in anarchy than NLON during the first day of the war, though this was mostly due to NLON's unannounced attack. I myself was put in anarchy because two nations larger than myself attacked me. Look at my wars now and you'll see I am almost double the size of three of my attackers and the President of NLON whom I attacked yesterday.

 

For people to be talking badly of the Misfits for upholding a treaty is ridiculous, especially given the fact that this war was initiated by an alliance that was clearly not ready for war. We have already depleted the warchests of many of our opponents nations, as evidenced by our many attempts to spy cash from them, as well as our ground battles which in some case return only $0.14 per attack.

[yung flow]

It would appear to me nations are switching their AA from NLON to None or ghosting. Also Darth is right, at the beginning NLON had the advantage. With some spy operations and good coordination the tables began to turn. Misfits are their for the defense on the lower tier. Not to mention the nations we currently have attacking are very few. At least we made a proper declare. :p

[KingBilly1]

Long story short..... We are helping our friends over at RIOT and its not either of our faults that NLoN declared war when clearly they are not prepared!

[OverlordShinnra]

When the war was initiated NLON had more nukes than RIOT, and they were definitely in a better position than us at the time. If things look uneven now, it is only because we are better coordinated and were able to make a nice recovery. We had multiple nations spying away nukes during the first two days and we have had multiple of upper tier nations that have had to sell off land just to be able to join the fight because they could not attack NLON nations. This whole thing is due to RIOT being out numbered in the lower tiers. Do not blame the Misfits for being there to help RIOT, they were just holding up a their end of a treaty. I asked that the Misfits help with the lower ranges because I was concerned about some of our newer nations. We had more nations in anarchy than NLON during the first day of the war, though this was mostly due to NLON's unannounced attack. I myself was put in anarchy because two nations larger than myself attacked me. Look at my wars now and you'll see I am almost double the size of three of my attackers and the President of NLON whom I attacked yesterday.

 

For people to be talking badly of the Misfits for upholding a treaty is ridiculous, especially given the fact that this war was initiated by an alliance that was clearly not ready for war. We have already depleted the warchests of many of our opponents nations, as evidenced by our many attempts to spy cash from them, as well as our ground battles which in some case return only $0.14 per attack.

 

 

tl;dr 

 

NLON declares war on RIOT with more stats (has not been demonstrated) 

RIOT then proceeds to own them by coordinating better, spy their nukes and money, destroy them, etc. 

RIOT isn't satisfied because they aren't completing dominating in a fair fight so they activate the only treaty that exists in TE to call in Misifts to make this a dogpile. 

 

 

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. If you dogpile someone, don't expect anyone to come to your defense when you are dogpiled. 

Edited May 5, 2013 by OverlordShinnra

[KingBilly1]

 
 
tl;dr 
 
NLON declares war on RIOT with more stats (has not been demonstrated) 
RIOT then proceeds to own them by coordinating better, spy their nukes and money, destroy them, etc. 
RIOT isn't satisfied because they aren't completing dominating in a fair fight so they activate the only treaty that exists in TE to call in Misifts to make this a dogpile. 
 
 
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. If you dogpile someone, don't expect anyone to come to your defense when you are dogpiled. 

You seem to forget we(The Misfits) were dogpiled at the start of the round and did not activate our treaty... So we 'do unto others as you would have them do unto you'

This round has been full of alliances getting 'dogpiled' and to be fair... Ours is the only one that makes sense since we have the only treaty on TE! If we werent going to help eachother we would not have signed it. If alliances wish to declare on one of us knowing that we have a MDoAP then they should also expect the other to hit them :O why should we be fair when others are not? And its not a dogpile... NLoN declared on RIOT with better odds and a lot more nations.... And now we are the bad ones? Contradicting yourself there mate :s

[yung flow]

Oh but that wasn't a dog pile at all.....and the alliances didn't attack together as if they were allies. They just ironically made a joint announcement together and attacked together. Is this invalid argument really happening?

[OverlordShinnra]

You seem to forget we(The Misfits) were dogpiled at the start of the round and did not activate our treaty... So we 'do unto others as you would have them do unto you'

This round has been full of alliances getting 'dogpiled' and to be fair... Ours is the only one that makes sense since we have the only treaty on TE! If we werent going to help eachother we would not have signed it. If alliances wish to declare on one of us knowing that we have a MDoAP then they should also expect the other to hit them :o why should we be fair when others are not? And its not a dogpile... NLoN declared on RIOT with better odds and a lot more nations.... And now we are the bad ones? Contradicting yourself there mate :s

 

I have not forgotten. So let me get this straight. You get dogpiled by someone at the beginning of the round, so you turn around and dogpile someone else that had nothing to do with that declaration and that is your idea of justice or fairness? It would be more accurate to say that you believe in unfairness as you clearly approve of the idea of down declares. 

 

This round has been full of dogpiles more then any other. That is why there is so much outcry from people like me because this is not ok. If you want to play a game with unfair wars and crappy treaties and alliances go play SE. In TE you will get what is coming to you (and you will). 

 

Lastly, how can you claim the initial war wasn't fair if you were winning. How can you claim that you were declared with huge odds against you and then on the other hand claim that you were owning this war at the same time. You seem to be the one that is contradicting yourself. So which is it? Were you down declared and being decimated and couldn't keep up in an unfair fight or were you declared on and decimated them? 

[OverlordShinnra]

Oh but that wasn't a dog pile at all.....and the alliances didn't attack together as if they were allies. They just ironically made a joint announcement together and attacked together. Is this invalid argument really happening?

 

Hey look you were able to state the same bad argument that your boyfriend just made but with bad grammar and disjointed sentences that make no sense next to each other. Way to go. Maybe let the big boys talk? 

[KingBilly1]

 
I have not forgotten. So let me get this straight. You get dogpiled by someone at the beginning of the round, so you turn around and dogpile someone else that had nothing to do with that declaration and that is your idea of justice or fairness? It would be more accurate to say that you believe in unfairness as you clearly approve of the idea of down declares. 
 
This round has been full of dogpiles more then any other. That is why there is so much outcry from people like me because this is not ok. If you want to play a game with unfair wars and crappy treaties and alliances go play SE. In TE you will get what is coming to you (and you will). 
 
Lastly, how can you claim the initial war wasn't fair if you were winning. How can you claim that you were declared with huge odds against you and then on the other hand claim that you were owning this war at the same time. You seem to be the one that is contradicting yourself. So which is it? Were you down declared and being decimated and couldn't keep up in an unfair fight or were you declared on and decimated them? 

You seem to think i am from RIOT? :s

'And you will' is this a threat? Will it also be one of those down declares that you are complaining about? I dont see NLoN complaining....so why not butt out?

Edit: I am not a fan of down declaring... And we actually had a target until we were asked to help out :) and well.... Its in our treaty, so it had to be done! NLoN will probably bounce back and have a bash at us later, but thats a risk that had to be taken. Theres also the risk of us being a target aswel.... But that also had to be taken! Allies come first ;) Edited May 6, 2013 by EddyH

[KingBilly1]

I honestly dont see what everyone is whinning about? We only have a handfull of nations that have actually declared wars.... So i still see NLoN having more nations. Im not gonna lie... We do have a big advantage now, but the odds were not like this yesterday! We have simply just coordinated very well and got the job done