Emperor Khan

If this is the way affairs in Maroon are conducted nowadays then you're far better off out of it. I am totally disillusioned with some of the crap I have read on the forums in recent months from some of the Maroon alliances, much of it beggars belief. Good luck to you.

[quote name='MaGneT' timestamp='1299701033' post='2657871'] I'm pretty that sure chopping off your own leg to get rid of a treaty with CsN at this point would be worthwhile. [/quote] No need to chop off your own leg, they're doing just fine chopping off theirs.

Congratulations on getting off to a really good start!

[quote name='Ashoka the Great' timestamp='1299279750' post='2652790'] As the DT drama continued, there was discussion about re-entering the war on their behalf, regardless of our previous agreement. We felt strongly (and still do) that DT was the victim of extortion perpetrated by a dishonorable group of weasels. We were prepared to fight to the death to defend them, and told them so. DT said, "Naw, s'OK. We'll handle this." The end. [/quote] [quote name='Vinzent Zeppelin' timestamp='1299282466' post='2652832'] My definition of "satisfactory" is "what one is willing to abide", not "what one views as optimal". If the Dark Templar abide it (they do; else they would not have signed the peace agreement), so do we. [/quote] Essentially you're using DT as your excuse for your late entry into the conflict on this front, no? It appears that the reference in the OP to DT and their terms was little more than a cynical attempt on your part to suggest a modicum of honour. Another poster raised the issue of past history between yourselves and the NPO. He used words to the effect of "it's ironic that they're attacking the NPO when not so long ago it was the NPO who prevented NoR being curbstomped by Maroon". That's true. So what has happened that now permits you to bandwagon against such alliance?

[quote name='chefjoe' timestamp='1299277190' post='2652748'] No. He was saying that the bonds between DT and NoR are serious enough that if anyone had hit DT and tried to put more pressure on them to accept terms they werent happy with......NoR would have rolled regardless of what that meant to the recent 'terms' they had signed.[/quote] Very hard to believe they would have. It's pretty clear that DT weren't happy with the terms yet NoR describe them as satisfactory, doesn't add up. [quote name='chefjoe' timestamp='1299277190' post='2652748'] Along with others... [/quote] Yeah, shame that didn't happen.

[quote name='raasaa' timestamp='1299273188' post='2652691'] its a part of their peace agreement with wF. Read it.... [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=98159"]http://forums.cybern...showtopic=98159[/url] [/quote] So Captain Flinders was talking crap then?

[quote name='Captain Flinders' timestamp='1299270860' post='2652669'] Ummmmm, hell yes. [/quote] So what's this DT guy (see quote below) talking about? He says you were prevented from getting involved militarily. [quote name='mmansfield68' timestamp='1299271326' post='2652670'] The Dark Templar were never hung out to dry by Nordreich - there were conditions preventing Nordreich from getting involved militarily in our dispute with CSN. We understood and understand, and that's all that matters. Not what a bunch of outsiders who know nothing of the bonds between The Dark Templar and Nordreich. [/quote]

[quote name='Vinzent Zeppelin' timestamp='1299214822' post='2651960']Certain events, such as Nueva Vida's entry into the conflict surrounding the New Polar Order, [b]and the obscene demands being made of our allies in the Dark Templar, delayed our fulfillment of this request[/b]. However, we are grateful that FAN and their co-combatants have been understanding of our position, and lent their diplomatic influence [b]to bring the issue between the Commonwealth of Sovereign Nations and DT to a satisfactory resolution[/b]; therefore, tonight we shall show our gratitude.[/quote] So you're suggesting that you would have jumped in on DT's behalf? Interesting to note that a "satisfactory resolution" was reached in the end. Looks like DT were hung out to dry by you guys.

[quote name='HawkeyeNation' timestamp='1297016542' post='2622353'] Based on previous threads, it would be called the Nuke Cyphon Alliance. I'm guessing it would get big pretty quickly. [/quote] Where do I sign up?

[quote name='MaGneT' timestamp='1297366338' post='2628182'] The point you were making is that you think it is smarter for us to accept these terms because the overall damage we will take will be less. We scoff at such an idea because such an idea is against our principles. We choose to defend ourselves against injustice rather than lie down and take it because our nations will benefit. [/quote] Sort of, but not necessarily so. I do however believe that there's (or there was) a smarter way which is what I've been alluding to, but I fear that avenue is no longer available to you having read some of the more recent posts. I believe you have denied yourselves other alternatives and I suspect that you'll now have no other choice than to just duke it out with them.

[quote name='MaGneT' timestamp='1297359587' post='2628073'] For the record, I don't mean this as an insult in any way shape or form, but you strike me as the ruler who values his infrastructure far more than he values his principles and his allies. While if CSN does not open their eyes and change the reps situation to something consistent with those being dealt to people who entered this war on similar conditions to those we entered on, the ultimate cost for us may be more than 40k tech, but fighting for fair treatment against tyrants, to me, is worth 40 million tech. [/quote] I'm not entirely sure that you understand the point I was trying to make. I think you need to inject a dose of Sun Tzu into the mix... to get what you want...

[quote name='MaGneT' timestamp='1297326740' post='2627835'] I'm under the impression that peace talks will continue at some point. CSN knows quite well of our opposition to their draconian terms. CSN and every reasonable citizen of Planet Bob knows quite well that we would be willing to accept surrender given fair terms that are consistent with those in our situation across Bob. We're not stupid enough to think that we can win this war militarily. We are far too heavily outnumbered. But is that a reason that we can't defend ourselves in public? [/quote] It kind of brings me back to the point I made earlier about just paying the reps rather than be destroyed. I agree that you have no chance of winning, that much is pretty obvious as the odds are stacked against you (or certainly will be), but I still don't think you're doing yourself any favours continuing this debate here. Of course you can defend yourself in public, I think it's great that people do, it's [i]how[/i] they defend themselves and whether or not they achieve their goals that's important, just saying...

[quote name='MaGneT' timestamp='1297319309' post='2627783'] It seems that you are blind to the idea of fighting for the principle of fair treatment. We aren't particularly concerned with the cost. The fact that 40,000 tech would be of immense cost to us is not as troubling to us as what reps of these nature imply - that we are, in fact, guilty of crimes of a more severe nature than those of the New Pacific Order pre-Karma. If these atrocities exist, I'd love to hear about them. [/quote] Do you not think it would be more constructive to stop posting here and to talk to them? You guys come across as really worried about this rep business and I'm not convinced that airing your views so openly is actually helping your case. If you're not going to talk to each other, you might as well drop the whole argument and just fight it out.

[quote name='Dochartaigh' timestamp='1297313739' post='2627692'] Why should they get it for free, when instead they will lose much more than they would have kept had they just not been stupid. [/quote] Well it kind of appears (from what has been posted in this thread) that CSN are not so worried about peace/reps, but you are. Wouldn't you just be allowing them to destroy you and thereby giving them what they want? The thought has crossed my mind that the reps are "unreasonable" for a good reason... if you catch my drift.

[quote name='MaGneT' timestamp='1297307643' post='2627613'] We are not opposed to peace, but believe me, we are in no way beaten by CSN. We have no desire to kneel at their feet and lie to them about how worthy they are of victory. We'll enjoy burning them to the ground with our nukes. [/quote] But what would happen if CSN and her allies burn you to the ground first? Would that not cost you far more than what they are asking?

Any alliance that votes Bud into a position of power must be mad. Mad I say!

I still have 3 free slots.

Okay, money sent.

I'll pay $3,000,000 for 100 tech in advance to a tech seller who is not engaged in any war. If you want to sell me 50 tech for $3,000,000, that's okay, but you send the tech first. Again, I don't want to receive tech from anyone at war. My nation is here:- http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=115019

I'm interested, but I note you're not a member of an alliance. I'm a bit concerned that you'll just get raided and be unable to complete the deal. If you're joining someone, I'm interested.

I've been hearing all sorts of rumours recently and I think it's about time that the TTK government put them to rest. I've heard that GATO members who nuked Cyphon will be awarded TTK's highest medal. I've also heard that they will receive free tech once the war is over and that there will be a newly created hall of fame to honour them. Can we get an official confirmation please? I think they're all marvellous ideas and I'd like to express my support for them.

What's does that "EoG'd" bit mean in that pm?

[quote name='commander thrawn' timestamp='1295905443' post='2597135'] Also "nuke Cyphon" should be the name of the war imo. [/quote] No, it should be the war (not the name of it), far more enjoyable than fighting GATO.

Plenty of free slots available!