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Grub never said anything of the sort. He only referred to the Gramlins once, and that was leaving tC. That is when the movement began, when people saw someone could just up and walk away. The backroom logs of people creating a bloc was very telling, and for such talks to take place, they had to of been formulated some time beforehand.

He still speaks the truth. This was not something concieved over a short amount of time. While the Gramlins may not have had plans, it was and is very clear that several key alliances/figures of Karma did. Anyone who says otherwise is lying or does not have access to the kind of logs others do. Also, I kind of actually liken Karma to the Initiative and the Hegemony to Aegis. Karma, when taken into the hands of actual people, is no longer karma. It is vengeance. I've had a nation destroyed because of leaders of the Hegemony, and I thoroughly enjoyed watching one in particular grovel in an attempt to create a P.R. stunt that would somehow convince en masse the entire global population to somehow forget countless infractions of the past. It was hideous, and although I completely disagree with the individual, some of the responses in the thread were no better than that of hate. I sometimes even chuckled and wondered if they understood what karma actually meant. Throughout it, I've seen intelligent leaders be able to reign in the dogs at times, but at others seemingly the inability to control the blood hungry dogs they've unleashed. It will truly be interesting to see the many leaders whom I've met and respected reign in such a bloodthirst. I liken it to the OOC Rwandan holocaust. Granted, the death and peace terms take it out of context a bit, but it's the same concept. A long established rule over a people was lost and whence power was granted to the abused people they sought revenge. The Hutu government promotes killings of the Tutsis. The entire planet plays the role of the UN who simply doesn't want to get involved. Granted, the peace terms Karma have offered are lenient to say the least, it still remains that an act of surrender is equivilant to the highest levels of desertion and by some circles treason. Thus, you could offer white peace, but there's nothing white about giving up your dignity. Thus, I'm torn about the conflict. Sure, I've seen some people who have needed their *** kicked fully receive it on the chin, but I've also seen the community as a whole at times forget their reason for giving it in the first place, actively indiscriminantly flaming members from the government members who have wronged them in the past. Wierd, huh? Anyway, carry on, just another old timer giving out their perspective.

The great irony , is replacing a hegemony of few with the hegemony of the masses. Of course, a hegemony must posess some form of direction, and thus I question what the current direction is. Towards a national community not unlike today IRL? Pure political anarchy. hm.

There really is no evidence that we're dropping one side and choosing another in this war. I think you're sorely mistaken. But feel free to try to paint the picture. I'll even bring out the finger paints so we can continue pointing fingers.

Actually, are treaties mean something. I can't speak for anyone elses, really.

then you must be in the wrong thread.

To arms. Good luck, and let honor guide our fight. o/ IRON o/ MHA.

this thread is stupid.

I've seen this before.

Honorable action.

Karma is controlled by those in power. Welcome to the new era.

this will end well.

I believe we have a winnnnar!

May my enemies bake me pies!

Not from those logs.

Let this be an honorable fight then. Good luck.

For some reason I don't see in the OP Pacifica admitting to spying, only OV. Straws grasped.

so you're saying the spyings fine, just not attacking while attempting to deal with those who admit to spying Duly Noted.

What is being taken out of context? Repeated offers were made, and OV had the gall to admit it and offer to apologize, and then retract it.

I think this is being overlooked. Maybe on purpouse?

Offers were rejected. Reading Comprehension.

read the op.

TORN time. Bring it.

Hail Pacifica, Legit.

hahahahahhahaha. /me claps hands. This is certainly entertaining.