caligula

Njero, I look forward to fantasy football.

I have a long history, I was a serviceable member of the MHA for quite some time. Way back when, when I first joined, I was a member of NATO. I still talk to some of the old guys, Pameshelu in particular, but I've been around the cybergalaxy and have done good and bad, but look forward to doing more good and bad.

oh hai Arr Veeh. I don't remember much about you other than typing in blue font. AUT, we'll see.

I'm back. People can come back from ban's. C'est Possible. You just have to be tactful and patient. Very patient. For those who know who I am, hello again. For those of you who don't, hi. Hades has frozen over. Time to make this game interesting again.

I'm curious. As to what part do the masses play in your claim? You make it seem like you're trying to use them as a weapon. There is no unjustice going on around here. Two groups of people had claims. An ally supported another one. A non-ally supported the other one for attention. Just because 9 people think OOC: holocausts /ooc are good ideas does not always mean they are. The amount of lies and dirt you spew is inconcievable. Any slander here is not even directed from the BTA but individuals who are quite clearly bored with themselves and need an enemy.

Lol at the attention ***** club. Any more ****** want to join this alliance and play "We're the underdog, we really are! We didn't do anything, we didn't know this would happen! Everyone else is evil, we're on the moral high ground here! This is unjust even though two seperate entities have equal claims and qualms about our reformation! Thus, of course, we should ***** and moan until everyone thinks tha somehow our claim is more valid because we spend most of our day on cn forums! We're full of sh**!" card? Seriously. I don't known how anyone takes these characters seriously.

Where is the fault of MHA here Query me about it? I would love to hear your opinion.

Ada, just because someone pisses off two or three government members does not give someone a liscence to do whatever they want. I don't see how her being in bad faith in government constitutes our entire governments judgment being clouded in the situation. In fact I think it's sad that the word of someone who has continued to lie, slander, and ultimately admitted guilt is actually being taken seriously. It's crossed the point of hilarity. I point to several other posts that suggest if this were happening in any ones own personal alliance they'd do the exact same thing. This isn't someone accepting screenshots, this is someone using the password of a nation they babysat months ago to forcibly takeover their account to view accent because he thought " we were talking behind his back . " Right. That's not Harmless...not even Mostly. Oh, right. I forgot, you're in charge here. Maybe because they didn't exist? You never mentioned screenshots until the injustice squad in this thread tried vehemently to defend you through every out possible. The fact that now you're stating that we made this public is hilarious.

I think you missed the last 15 pages or so. Are you saying we zi'd her because of a vendetta and not because of spying? No one had a vendetta against Emily. In fact, all evidence points to the contrary. In all of the logs not once is Emily's name brought up by any MHA government and the actual thread where concern was raised was not in the matter of " god i hate that emily, " but in the matter of " we have a spy, let's find it. " Emily was an obvious first suspect, because she never provided screenshots, then 6 hours after talking to me after not revealing she had access to the forums, she indeed admitted to Scutterbug she had access. Based upon other information and the methods of how she procured access ( using a members password to basically forcehack their account, she obtained when she babysat their cn nation ), her admittance to and already agreeing in principle that by definition spying is a hostile action, we carried on with due process and had her access stripped immediately. The Triumvir's made the final decision on ZI, and in fact, I still see no reason why ZI was not sufficient in this case. Have the actions of Emily, taking this thread to more peaks of hilarity by posting logs with zero merit and contradicting herself several times, including her claim we somehow "knew" she had forcehacked said members account, which has been refuted by the supposive government member she told, and the mentioning of OOC: the lost hitchhiker /OOC for attention garnered her any ill will after the fact? You're **** right.

This was hilarious. Amendments 1. It is possible for amendments to be necessary for the survival of Karma POW. As Karma POW will grow or shrink, so will this charter. The emperor does not respect the thoughts of all its members. hahahahaha

I LOVE YOU ITALY... haha. this made me lol.

haha. he's got jokes. maybe ONE DAY. far...far away.

OH my favorite part. This is the part where other alliances tell us how our alliance works. You seem to miss a certain part. Article III: Precedent Guide Part A: Article III shall henceforth be the legal precedent for specific crimes against Alliance Policy. At all times the punishments and procedure outlined in this Article shall supersede the necessity for a Trial in the MHA court. There are three severities of crimes (Minor, Major and High Crime), and three types of crimes (either In-Game, Anti-Hitchhiker, or External crimes). These rules are applicable to all members of the alliance, regardless of position. Emily was not a member when she spied on us. Thanks.

? Our Moderator Control Panel works wonders. You can see all sorts of things. Especially multis. My guess is he checked Emily and guess what came up? is your defence now that it's unfair how you were caught? I think I'm done here.

Yes, we did. As soon as we matched your forum ips. the account that you were masked as non-member and a member mask that you gained access from using the password they entrusted to use when you babysat their nation months ago. You're absolutely right. I'd just like to add "lol" at being brought up at various stages while at work. and <3 wickedj

No where in your log is there any acknowledgement that you had access to a ********'s account, or our forums. NO where. You stated you were being given info but then later admitted to Scutter that you infact were not being given it but finding it for yourself. You're completely contradicting yourself.

You're missing the point. She's being reduced to zero infrastructure because she spied. She's admitted to being a spy. The question then became whether that was too harsh for spying. Examining the methods of how she gained access, her current actions, her actions leading up to it, and her current nations info bringing up OOC: a deceased MHA member /OOC for attention warrant the full blunt of MHA action. I encourage anyone who feels that this is not unjust to do the same if they would like to be sentenced similarly. It's quite effective. In fact, if anyone insults OOC: the fallen hitchhiker's /OOC name I will personally attack them.

( I don't see what your logs relevance has at all, or why vox was brought up ever, for that matter.) I see a whole lot of disagreeing with your former alliance and an unhealthy obsession with an individual.

...no. - Engaging in unauthorized access of MHA's forums - Procuring such access through using the password of a nation she nation sat and logging into that member's username - Using the access she had to reveal information she would not otherwise be privildged to - Threatening to release more information as to become a more proper spy She wasn't forthcoming, and she had indeed left two weeks ago in bad faith. Neither are necessarily relevant, but they support the contrary to the claim that someone would perform the actions she had in good faith. And I'll let you be the judge of the character of her log dump. Hopefully it's as scrutinized as ours were.

Only after someone argued that logging into an account of another member after procurring their password from nation sitting them months ago was somehow unhostile.

TM, she forcibly used a password procured from nationsitting a member of our alliance months ago. That alone is malicious in its intent. The thought process is that she was using the documents to potentially stir up trouble between another alliance and us, when in fact the issues were private and were to remain such. We felt that given the extremes taken to get access, the rather terse verbals pointing towards who she was commuincating with, that she was passing on information specifically with those individuals.

Whether espionage has been committed is not a question, as stated by one party and admitted by the other. How else would you define the intent of someone logging into the account of an unwilling member whose password was procurred when they entrusted said former member to nation sit their nation months ago?

They've never been found. We believe a long-time member had been framed. Whether it was an admin or who it was, it can't be for certain. Either way, I don't see the relevance.

Your points welcome, it actually has tact. It's been a log fest and my head hurts from it. In comes later relevant log 6 hours later where it is pretty much admitted: Session Start: Wed Jun 24 20:36:03 2009 Session Ident: emily [20:36] Session Ident: emily (Coldfront, ScutterBug[MHA]) (emily) [20:36] <emily> you know.... [20:36] <emily> I havent told anyone what I was shown.... 01[20:37] <ScutterBug[MHA]> We have your current ip address logged on ******** account 01[20:37] <ScutterBug[MHA]> and that is all i shall say right now 07[20:37] <emily> SCUTTER HELP ME SORT THIS!!!!!! [20:37] <emily> OF COURSE YOU DO! [20:38] <emily> I'm not going to ask about &#33;@#&#036;e like that without checking [20:40] <emily> I looked this morning [20:40] <emily> and [20:40] <emily> cross checked this afternoon [20:40] <emily> and [20:41] <emily> MHA gov were told about it.... 01[20:42] <ScutterBug[MHA]> im talking forum account here 07[20:42] <emily> ScutterBug[MHA] TALK TO ME! 01[20:42] <ScutterBug[MHA]> where ur ip has made 1 post on bladesriders forum account 01[20:42] <ScutterBug[MHA]> which was earlier today [20:42] <emily> YES [20:42] <emily> so? 01[20:43] <ScutterBug[MHA]> so, you were still acessing potentially secure information you were no longer supposed to see 01[20:43] <ScutterBug[MHA]> without our knowledge [20:43] <emily> ah [20:43] <emily> well [20:43] <emily> I had allready seen it [20:43] <emily> but [20:44] <emily> well [20:44] <emily> sometimes I get the feeling I'm beign played [20:44] <emily> so i checked [20:45] <emily> I am not an enemy of MHA [20:45] <emily> and we both know [20:45] <emily> anyone of us [20:45] <emily> can access those forums [20:45] <emily> with very l;ittle effort [20:46] <emily> so [20:46] <emily> sensitive stuff <emily> needs to be hidden <emily> you know that <emily> that stuff should never have sat there that long <emily> unless it was as bait <emily> in which case <ScutterBug[MHA]> this does not justify your actions <emily> it has not caught it's intended target No one in .gov was ever told about it. Emily in this thread referred to telling .gov once when she babysat said nations account several months ago. The one she ultimately used to access this information, which is a serious security issue for a former member who left in bad faith two weeks ago, notwithstanding the poor member who was taken advantage of for having their nation sat long ago. Nation sitting does not mean their forum account is also given for access nor does it legitamize it. In the query 6 hours before, she did not admit to it, but here she does. I'd like to reitirate. We don't hate Emily, just feel that she's shown some very poor judgment. Private Channels are usually used in these situations.

Ah. Now I see the confusion. Scutter was not the first informed about this issue, it was I. The timestamp from Scutter's is 6 hours later. I think that's what has been throwing people off. After this intial contact, bolded parts: Full log Session Start: Wed Jun 24 14:16:39 2009 Session Ident: emily [14:16] Session Ident: emily (Coldfront, IYIyTh[MHA]) (emily) [14:16] <emily> ? [14:18] <emily> well ok it's not really a favour [14:18] <emily> but if I'm getting screenshots [14:19] <emily> so are they.... unless that was the whole point 01[14:20] <IYIyTh[MHA]> screenshots? [14:20] <emily> yes [14:20] <emily> look [14:21] <emily> i don't know what to say [14:21] <emily> **s an immature !@#$%* [14:21] <emily> we know that [14:21] <emily> you're anoying...we know that too [14:22] <emily> but 4 pages of bile does not look good [14:22] <emily> I spoke to ** yesterday btw 01[14:22] <IYIyTh[MHA]> link? [14:22] <emily> to what? 01[14:23] <IYIyTh[MHA]> to that thread? [14:24] <emily> *********************** [14:24] <emily> but ANYONE could get you the link with minimum effort [14:24] <emily> you know that.... 01[14:24] <IYIyTh[MHA]> no. not really. 01[14:24] <IYIyTh[MHA]> unless someone was spying. [14:24] <emily> well [14:24] <emily> I ded get sent the shots [14:25] <emily> if they get wind of this [14:25] <emily> they'll be in looking [14:25] <emily> myth [14:25] <emily> is that what you really want? 01[14:25] <IYIyTh[MHA]> yes. [14:25] <emily> ah [14:25] <emily> well 01[14:25] <IYIyTh[MHA]> i want them to show me proof they're spying on us 01[14:25] <IYIyTh[MHA]> that would be just dandy [14:26] <emily> lol [14:26] <emily> well [14:26] <emily> I fear that [14:26] <emily>** would just end up being used as a pawn in that game again.... [14:27] <emily> he seems to think you said something about his girlfriend 01[14:27] <IYIyTh[MHA]> i think this discussion is over, thanks though. [14:28] <emily> myth [14:28] <emily> I really hope things go well for you [14:28] <emily> you'd make a fine triumv, I was wrong before [14:29] <emily> good luck [14:29] <emily> and if you ever do need a someone to reason with *** [14:29] <emily> I have their ear.... [14:30] <emily> i'll try to get them off your back [14:33] <emily> ? [15:12] <emily> you stull there? 01[15:13] <IYIyTh[MHA]> yeay [15:17] <emily> ok - I've just fallen out with a good mate here [15:18] <emily> but you allready know [15:18] <emily> that that post was not ** on his own [15:19] <emily> and ** is easily manipulated 06[15:20] * emily is not a SUCKER [15:24] <emily> myth [15:25] <emily> have you ever been diagnosed with a psychatric disorder? [15:27] <emily> because ******* attraction/hate to you [15:27] <emily> seems like that sort of thing [15:27] <emily> as... does mine tbh [15:34] <emily> erm.... [15:34] <emily> if i was a spy [15:34] <emily> how would kicking me from #MHA stop it? Session Close: Wed Jun 24 15:36:13 2009 For anyone concerned, the thread in question was not an OOC hate themed topic by any means, and is still open as an opinion thread currently. Were things said in there that would not be said to their faces? Perhaps. Would peoples feelings get hurt if they were? Maybe. I don't know. That's why it was private. Concerned, I stopped talking for a bit and notified our government, who turned up a multi. She had left two weeks ago in bad faith, and the account she turned up on she had nation sat a while ago. Not only was i concerned about our alliance's security, but also for our members whose account had been infiltrated. I personally see this as a very serious sort of action for anyone to take. Government and alike concluded that she was in fact not being sent screenshots, but either taking them and sending them to the alliance we hit a rough patch with, or who knows what. Thus , the espionage sentence of ZI. She was not forthcoming to me. I was the first to be contacted and the first to relay it to our government. I can't speak for anyone elses queries afterwards. Could out of fear of reprocussion she later divulged this information? I can't say.