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[quote name='Seerow' timestamp='1289917899' post='2514578'] Do you regularly close embassies without at least giving some notification? This topic is far more relevant to the OWF than a milestone announcement, and at least as relevant as any treaty announcement. Not everything is a desperate PR grab. [/quote] Milestones are an announcement to the world of an achievement, this is a notification that just required letting NPO know. If you were buddies with NPO, maybe your falling out would have been relevant. This is pretty much MK getting upset with someone they already don't like. It’s not really news.

Congratulations guys!

On one hand, sure, what NPO did there was wrong (I await to hear their reasoning for the editing of posts though ), but on the other, this really wasn't necessary for the OWF. By the looks of the OP, its saying "NPO declared war on people in the past for doing this, but we didn't, look how good we are" and such. Come on guys, you're better than this.

You might want to update your profile page here, you're no longer in TIO and such.

[quote name='Co God Ben' timestamp='1289599649' post='2511385'] TIO are the LoSS puppetmasters. But our friend on page 6 already pointed that out. [/quote] Heh, and IAA thinks they're our partner in our up and coming takeover

o/ tLW, Silver should take you to new heights

I must admit, Tautology, I can't say I've heard much of you before. But if Hoo named you as his successor, I'd say you'll do just fine. Good luck o/

[quote name='flak attack' timestamp='1289486584' post='2510386'] Mostly the fact that an alliance I like is admitting an alliance that almost went to war over a yo momma joke to their bloc. [/quote] We've already admitted fault at that, and moved on, learned from our mistakes. Its sad to see some people still dwell on that.

[quote name='flak attack' timestamp='1289481904' post='2510351'] Why would you do this? [/quote] Might I ask what the problem is in this move?

[quote name='kriekfreak' timestamp='1289476237' post='2510320'] No it doesn't make sense at all to call your coalition Sirius and to lay down surrender terms as Sirius if Sirius is a blue unity bloc. [/quote] It doesn't make sense to put the banner we all reside under over a group of alliances fighting in a war due to individual treaties? (with the exception of BTA, who entered via the Sirius treaty) Really? So we might as well have just had "Individual surrender terms from TKTB-TIO-TCU-BTA?" Its a hell of a lot easier to just refer to us as Sirius. It might not have been done before (I can't think of any war where it has happened right now), but that doesn't mean it can't be done here. Of all the arguments people have put against that war, this has been one of the most ridiculous. Now, we should probably move this back on topic. This thread is about Synergy, not Sirius

[quote name='kriekfreak' timestamp='1289475285' post='2510315'] What? Blue has 2 unity blocs and IAA is in both? That's dumb. If you really want Sirius to be a color unity bloc, you shouldn't use it as a MDoAP bloc as you did in the AcTi war. [/quote] Yes, we have two blocs. Blunity didn't fit the standards the alliances who formed Sirius felt were necessary, so we created Sirius. Its currently expanding, finally moving closer to its goal. We didn't use it as an MDoAP bloc, TCU and TIO hold MDoAPs as individual treaties with TKTB. But you already knew that because you looked it up right? Due to all the alliances on our side of the war being in Sirius, it was a lot easier to group the individual surrender terms, plus our "coalition" as Sirius. It makes sense if you look at it that way.

[quote name='kriekfreak' timestamp='1289468467' post='2510273'] No, I don't think that would be comparable. You have Sirius who consist of small alliances like TKTB, TCU, BTA and more larger ones like IAA and TIO (I still consider TIO to be small too but I'm guessing they are larger than TKTB, TCU and BTA). And then you have Synergy consisting of larger alliances like Loss, GATO, IAA and now TIO. So that kinda means that if one of the smaller Sirirus alliances will be declared on this will mean that Synergy will get sucked in. The same goes the other direction. Basically IAA and TIO now both control Synergy and Sirius. I would not like this if I were either Loss or GATO. [/quote] I believe you have the concept of Sirius mixed up. It is currently aimed at being a blue unity bloc, that holds Optional Aggression and Defence clauses (naturally with Non Aggression as well), rather than Blunity which has literally nothing in regards to the previous clauses. Synergy, is a completely different bloc in its own. It is a full military bloc, not a unity bloc. A better comparison, would be why not merge NOIR into PB? You've got Umbrella and PC in both blocs. That's pretty much your reasoning for merging Sirius into Synergy. They're both completely different styles of blocs. Also, a few other corrected facts TIO is currently the third largest alliance in Sirius, below TCU and IAA. TIO is probably in your category of "average" sized alliances, at 1.2m NS. Not a large alliance, but not a micro. [quote]You guys are not important enough to look into things beforehand[/quote] It helps to check your facts of the bloc in question before making a call such as the one you made, otherwise you'll just look like an idiot. Hell I even checked to ensure that Umbrella and PC were both in NOIR, and that bloc has *never* been relevant to me in my nation's life. [edit] clarity

[quote name='Jacapo Saladin' timestamp='1289443867' post='2509964'] Hey didn't you guys trust James Maximus too? How did that work out for ya? [img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ZsFQ2SifuyI/Sd10r-B-YuI/AAAAAAAAAHI/4BqX1sdsGag/s400/thumbsUp.jpg[/img] [/quote] We probably shouldn't trust GATO or LoSS then, or anybody else for that matter, just incase they decide to hate us all randomly [quote name='Sargun' timestamp='1289441579' post='2509882'] IAA continues their streak of being the only pillar of success in a sea of failure, disappointment, and utter lack of win. [/quote] Oh Sargun, whatever did I do to make you hate me so, you've left such a wide hole in my non existent heart [quote name='Taget' timestamp='1289441730' post='2509893'] It'll be funny to see the look on TIO's face when they find out IAA, LOSS, and GATO also voted to withdraw. [/quote] I'll admit, I lol'd [quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1289441781' post='2509894'] [color="#0000FF"]I knew this was going to be an expansion thread, and I did come in here to congratulate you until I saw that the alliance coming into Synergy was TIO. Would it really have been so hard to have picked a decent alliance instead?[/color] [/quote] Funnily enough, defending allies without hesitation actually was a strong positive in their votes. It seems to be the craze with these guys. Who'd have thought it? [quote name='We Are Not Alone' timestamp='1289442044' post='2509904'] Bad alliance joining a very bad bloc. Remind me why I care again? [/quote] How's that alliance search going WANA?

Hailing this o/ Glad this has finally gone through IAA's Democracy

[quote name='Shurukian' timestamp='1289318767' post='2508088'] Alright, this is quite angering me. First of all, I'm not here to argue what side was correct, whether this war was relevant/purposeful, etcetera. I don't care, to be honest, since it's already over and in the past. What does bother me to the point of fuming, is the amount of scapegoating going on. Let us be honest about a few things. First of all, this entire debacle is not entirely James' fault. I doubt that the war would have happened without the support of Sirius behind them. However, they did give support, and even further, they gave military support, and entered the war as well. The second that you all pushed your little war button, you became entirely responsible for whatever mess this became. It was no longer just James, or whoever else originated this. And just because James got disgusted with everything and left does not mean that are suddenly absolved of responsibility. If you were not ready to make the commitment to go to war, you shouldn't have. And the second you started the war, you should have seen it out to your purposes. I would have been quite angry myself if my allies pledged support, went to war with me, and turned their tail to run thirty six hours later when people started crying about it. If you want to say James is some horrible person, that's your prerogative. But to say that he is entirely responsible for this entire situation? That is not only stupid, but also quite insulting to yourselves, the alliances of Sirius, to say that one man was able to influence your foreign policy so heavily. [/quote]That being the case though, if he didn't have his personal desire to take down Batallion before he left, or however that could be worded, we wouldn't be having this discussion now. Yes we probably should have stopped him, or done something of the likes. I'd say our (other Sirius Leaders') personal desires for *something* to happen in this world overcame our rationality and thus had a war. However even if we didn't have that desire, we still would have defended TKTB should they have come under fire by any foe. The only I thing that I feel TIO did wrong though, was let the ZI of Batallion go through on the individual surrender terms. The other "controversies" though, listed below, I don't believe were wrong in carrying out, reasons added next to them [list] [*]TIO going into the war: We were defending our ally, it is as simple as that. [*]Peacing out the war: James Maximus had left us, there was no need to carry on, enough damage was done to AcTi (Yes, through superior numbers and firepower, but the fact still remains) that no further terms were required. The war could have gone on, but nothing further would have been achieved, there was no cause, no reason. [/list] This whole thing wasn't an entire negative for us, we had our fun on the battlefield, some of the newer guys got a taste for war, and it spiced things up for a change. You could also use this as a form of military drill for us. We had our alliance mobilized for war at short notice (literally a day between the initial threat from Batallion that he'd declare war, and the actual war). I'm probably just rambling now, but internally, TIO can say that they benefitted from this war. Naturally the alliances of Sirius will come out stronger for this, perhaps not in the PR form, but knowledge wise, we've learned from our mistake the hard way, but learned none the less.

[quote name='Sentinal' timestamp='1289198963' post='2505885'] In hindsight, it's actually the most amazing way to go out with a bang. If you really don't care anymore, I mean you just don't care. You get your allies to roll your enemies and then in the end everyone is screwed in the process except you because you're gone. It's actually a brilliant political move on his half. [/quote] You're making it sound like he's a hero

[quote name='Mr Damsky' timestamp='1289192339' post='2505777'] 2. Peace agreements don't come after one or two days (well they might in MCXA) usually there's actually some fighting going on. [/quote] When the initial person holding the grudge with the leader of the opposing alliance leaves, there is no need to fight their fight. In other words, James Maximus and Batallion appear to have been the two people who shared the disliking for each other, personally I haven't had a conversation with Batallion, and can only speculate on his actions as a leader, but that isn't enough for me to want to declare on the alliance for that reason. So when James left TKTB, planning to leave the planet, what's the point in carring on with the war? We'd done enough damage, didn't see any further purpose in making AcTi suffer for no further reason.

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1289185290' post='2505645'] [color="#0000FF"]Are you sure it has nothing to instead due with the hit in PR Sirius has taken as a whole? Sirius, bowing down to public pressure since 2010. Way to go guys. Thumbs up![/color] [/quote]Have a good look at who signed the peace, and then at a certain person who's [b]not[/b] there (and their current positioning), and maybe, just maybe, you might piece together what might have happened overnight.

[quote name='Johnny Apocalypse' timestamp='1289184381' post='2505625'] You piled in on AcTi and anarchied most of the alliance rendering them incapable of declaring any offensive wars. That was your plan right? Surely you could actually predict that if you throw enough firepower their way they will be unable to declare offensively? [/quote] Its war, you do as much damage as possible, not our fault that AcTi picked on an alliance who has friends who look out for them. I'm sure if we were looking at it from the other perspective, i.e. AcTi hit Umbrella, and Umbrella (and naturally, you'd bring in PB, that's what blocs are, allies) put the majority of the alliance into anarchy then you wouldn't give a damn about what you're trying to argue. [quote name='Johnny Apocalypse' timestamp='1289184381' post='2505625'] As a result it appears you had an unnecessary amount of manpower for the war and if some of you stayed out and provided financial aid instead of military assistance it would have done wonders for the PR which you have been slowly beating to death. [/quote] We actually did have IAA and NpO out of the war which you don't seem to have realized yet. TIO were the first alliance ready on request should the war break out, NpO would have been overkill, TCU were ready second, and BTA wanted to join the party, it is as simple as that. [quote name='Johnny Apocalypse' timestamp='1289184381' post='2505625'] Is that !£@£%^$$%@£$ clear enough for you? [/quote] Come up with your own material

[quote name='KingEd' timestamp='1289183883' post='2505607'] Not to mention AcTi only managed to launch 5-7 Offensive wars. [/quote] It’s irrelevant how poor the amount of offensive wars were declared after TIO-TCU-BTA had already declared, it’s not like we can predict the future.

[quote name='Teddyyo' timestamp='1289183426' post='2505598'] All of it was optional. TKTB acted aggressively by screwing the stagger. [/quote] When TKTB was threatened that they'd be declared on, and then an AcTi nation declared war on them with the reason as "Orders," That's taken as AcTi being the alliance acting aggressively, we joined the war on our Mutual Defence clause.

[quote name='Johnny Apocalypse' timestamp='1289181986' post='2505566'] There was no ground you needed to stand, Sirius had no obligation to get involved in this war: [/quote] Get it through your thick !@#$@#$ skull, TIO and TCU for a start have MDoAPs with TKTB. We have full obligation to get involved in the war. BTA went in off the ODoAP, they saw fit that TKTB required their support. Is that not !@#$@#$ clear enough for you?

Makes sense, good luck with it.

[quote name='Sarmatian Empire' timestamp='1289176655' post='2505401'] 4 on 1? I sure hope it was perfect... [/quote] Let me run it by you again You have an MDoAP with an ally, you help them out. Simple as that, no arguments. Make sense? [quote name='Sarmatian Empire' timestamp='1289176655' post='2505401'] You mean because of the public pummelling Sirius recieved? [/quote] We know what we said.

[quote name='SirWilliam' timestamp='1289175545' post='2505360'] AcTi's agreed? Just asking because the wording confuses me a bit. [/quote] Yes, they did [quote]<@Scorponok[TIO|GOV]> So we have your word AcTi will agree to White Peace and that your nations will offer and/or accept peace <Batallion> Do note a lot of our members are inactive right now for some reason, so if they don't send out peace yet just try and be patient, out of kind gesture. <Batallion> Yes you have my word that AcTi will peace out. [/quote]