CptGodzilla

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1297752009' post='2634222'] Let's not all forget that there's currently a domestic insurrection over CSN's absurd demands as we speak: [img]http://i56.tinypic.com/1tlzs6.png[/img] It is the voice of the people which always must remind governments of what is right and what is wrong. If CSN's own members find their government's position reprehensible, what are we to think of them? [/quote] [quote name='Baldr' timestamp='1297753305' post='2634243'] The unreasonable demands CSN is making reminds me of Gramlins, who thought they had an easily won war against IRON and DAWN. [/quote] And here I thought that GOD was the one who was making all the unreasonable demands. That would mean that CSN's own members find GOD's position reprehensible.

when maroon team got shebang sanctioned for being annoying

when valhalla $#!& their pants and ran into peace mode...... about a joke lol

[quote name='erikz' timestamp='1297679376' post='2632804'] He was referring to this part of your comment (I guess): Which is untrue. [/quote] gibsonator was in GATO... don't pretend to know how they fare in GWs, but it's a good assumption that they lose a lot of them

[quote name='Varianz' timestamp='1297678802' post='2632789'] CSN has not lost a war in more then 2 1/2 years. Don't even try and pull that. You've had many of the same government members as far back as the Karma War, in which 2 alliances surrendered to CSN/allies- NADC and GDA. Those same government members from back then include CSN's top two by the way. CSN was also on the winning side in Bi-Polar, again with many of the same government members. It's incredibly difficult to believe that they were unable to write up their own surrender terms, and needed Xiph to do it for them. So I ask you again: Is CSN truly that incompetent, or did Xiph have a larger role in writing these terms then you've admitted? [/quote] The only 2 names that you seem to focus on is Goose and Allied threat. Liz was never a member of CSN until just recently, same with gibsonator. Allied threat has been terribly inactive as of late leaving goose (who is rather inactive himself) the only person who has dealt with something like this. but please do tell me how CSN government hasn't changed for 2 and a half years.

[quote name='Varianz' timestamp='1297677749' post='2632772'] So here's what I'm hearing: CSN is either able to articulate exactly what they want from DT, and Xiphosis is simply a scribe. If that's the case, you're asking us to believe that CSN is so utterly incompetent that they can't write up a 100 word, 4-5 sentence statement (but are still able to magically articulate to Xiphosis what they want). [i]Or[/i], CSN worked with Xiphosis to create the terms, and relied on Xiph's advice in helping to forge the terms, in which case he did indeed have a role in the "numbers and clauses" you refer to. So you have two choices: CSN is incredibly incompetent, unable to do something that micro-alliances have managed, or Xiphosis had a more active role in the formation of these terms than you'd like to admit. Which is it? [/quote] Option C: CSN government is full of a bunch of members who are new to the government scene (or new to the idea of being on a winning side of a war) and looked to xiph for guidance on formulating their thoughts into words that would convey the correct meaning. Having been both allied to him, and served under him in an alliance. It's so much easier to say "no" to him than you might think

[quote name='Varianz' timestamp='1297677158' post='2632763'] Either you're blatantly lying, or are genuinely ignorant, I can't tell which. Please go back and read the logs; you'll see that Xiph most definitely had something to do with the reps. [/quote] Ok, i see where you are going with this. [23:20] <Xiphosis[GOD]> CSN told me what they wanted, I put it into text. xiphosis had nothing to do with the actual numbers or clauses of the terms.

[quote name='Alterego' timestamp='1297676803' post='2632759'] Im not surprised the grubby paws of Xiphosis are behind this. He never shuts up about forcibly disbanding an alliance, looks like DT is his testing ground. Reps like this paid in this fashion are designed to be rejected so he can fulfil his pathetic dream of forcing someone to disband to appease his sadistic nature. [/quote] Xiph has absolutely nothing to do with these reps. He was involved in the peace talks because GOD was at war with an alliance DT was protecting. We gave them white peace a few days ago.

[quote name='erikz' timestamp='1297675953' post='2632750'] What? NEVER be a threat again? So if it was up to you, they're either going to be E/PZI'd or paying reps indefinitely? Because that's the only way you can insure they never going to be a threat again. [/quote] No, it is up to PB / DH and they are either going to levy huge reps on NPpO or force them to disband. If they do not... well...

[quote name='erikz' timestamp='1297673410' post='2632733'] Its a public secret you guys support CSN into extorting DT. [/quote] Sorry that we give our allies both moral and political support in their peace negotiations

[quote name='Captain Flinders' timestamp='1297663073' post='2632502'] Like I said, I understand RIA is just being a solid ally here. Regardless of CSN's misdeeds, RIA has provided assistance upon request. The fault does not lay with them. [b]*As a side note, I am now convinced that you are one of the uninformed masses who simply hail when they are told to hail. No offense to you really, just stick to what you know (which given, may be very little). It's more of a mental note for my own personal use.*[/b] [/quote] As a side note, i am now convinced that you are one of the uninformed masses who doesn't read the OP and posts based on the alliance of the poster. No offense to you really, just stick to what you read (which given, may be very little).

[quote name='MaGneT' timestamp='1297662416' post='2632476'] So. You are of the opinion that, because DT spoke out about a major issue involving our alliance that was heavily discussed in the OWF and elsewhere with the intent of clearing the air about what we thought were some major misconceptions . . . we deserve an eternal war. Good to know. [/quote] That is exactly how I feel.

[quote name='Vinzent Zeppelin' timestamp='1297656825' post='2632236'] The reason CSN is demanding reparations of this magnitude is not "you activated an ODP" any more than Pandora's Box's reason for war against the New Polar Order is "you spied on us". The reason is because they saw an opportunity to gain at the expense of an enemy, and believed they could get away with it. Why they picked Dark Templar in particular is anyone's guess, but I have some theories of my own. [/quote] It's because SF is out to ruin any kind of ally NoR has. You have seen right through our ingenious plan... As for the thread... All I can say is I hope DT doesn't get terms.

[quote name='Ameris' timestamp='1297596582' post='2631107'] My vote would be for the time the woman Kaiser Martens "married" turned out to be a man. [/quote] when you were zi'd

[quote name='Crymson' timestamp='1297398730' post='2628887'] And here's the typical Polaris refusal to take responsibility for anything. TOP has always been slow to anger. Polaris was the [i]first[/i] alliance we [b]ever[/b] actively pursued war with, and this was after months and months of antagonism, threats and backroom dealings on the part of Polaris against us (oh, and there were also the dozens of other alliances whom you pissed off with similar behavior; the fact that so many alliances were eager to go to war against you in the WotC probably should have taught you that). And then after amends were attempted, we were the subject of the blackest betrayal by your alliance. As much as you'd like to act as if it were "destiny" that our alliances would be enemies, the truth is that it's due to your alliance actions. Of course, it does not surprise me in the slightest that your alliance would never admit this. You've always been terrible at taking responsibility for your actions and great at playing the victim in everything. [/quote] we don't care, this isn't a thread about you. As for the actual topic at hand. Fark v. IRON (happened 2 or 3 times i think?) and it was always a good fight to watch

[quote name='MaGneT' timestamp='1297329727' post='2627856'] So, if I may ask, what exactly makes us so awful? No one seems to have told me yet and I genuinely am quite curious. [/quote] I just plain don't like you and DT accepts you as a member, thus a terrible alliance

[quote name='MaGneT' timestamp='1297328107' post='2627847'] Sure they do. But they also ought to be prepared for the political and nuclear firestorm that such absurd proposals cause, because the losers choose whether or not to accept them. [/quote] Then I shall have fun watching your terrible alliance burn.

[quote name='MaGneT' timestamp='1297326740' post='2627835'] Gee. You don't like being completely trounced in an argument by those who are intellectually superior than you . . . so you cry and say that we must suffer. Newsflash: war crimes are a reason for crippling reps. Not distaste towards a group of people. [/quote] Newsflash: Winners decide the reps and you are obviously on the losing side.

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1297234400' post='2626760'] [color="#0000ff"]Actually, GOD never did. GOD has never had any principles. [/color] [/quote] I know you love us so much, but this is about RnR / LoSS

my SDI has yet to block a single nuke this war yet i had my whole arsenal depleted in a single day by 2 wars

good fight guys, i wish ye luck in the future

[quote name='Frederico Rodriguez' timestamp='1297160853' post='2625542'] I'm glad that the people i, and my fellow GATOans fought from your alliance had some actual decency and respect, unlike yourself. You're a bad representation of your alliance. [/quote] Oh yes, sorry if i don't roll over when you guys try to troll my ally *after* you have already left the war. I had a little respect for your alliance, then the members started posting in this thread After much consideration, I have decided that the following posters are so much better at representing their alliance than i am [quote name='Style #386' timestamp='1297139445' post='2625185'] Are you !@#$@#$ kidding me? [/quote] [quote name='Style #386' timestamp='1297141082' post='2625248'] Yeah, R&R looks really hard pressed by their 0.4 wars per member. A monumental task, indeed! [/quote] [quote name='DragonsPhyre' timestamp='1297141874' post='2625280'] What kind of !@#$%^&* is this? :| [/quote] [quote name='Style #386' timestamp='1297142188' post='2625291'] I love the smell of an ad hominem in the morning. Being what? Did you mean "tough"? Me pointing out the blatant hypocrisy in you berating Hydra for their lack of presence has nothing to do with GATO and our war machine, be it mighty or otherwise. But you get a cookie for trying. [/quote] [quote name='James Wilson' timestamp='1297152143' post='2625495'] Your bragging about being tough when hitting an alliance that's already been pummeled? Wow... [/quote] [quote name='Kubla Khan' timestamp='1297153674' post='2625505'] This will turn out well [/quote] [quote name='Greywall' timestamp='1297156505' post='2625518'] Words cannot express how disapointed I am. LoSS kill'em all o/ [/quote]

[quote name='James Wilson' timestamp='1297152143' post='2625495'] Your bragging about being tough when hitting an alliance that's already been pummeled? Wow... [/quote] Let me give it a try I do feel the need to apologize to the world for my allies not being able to compare to the GATO warmachine. How many wars do your members have at the moment? .. Oh that's right guess being tough is easier after a surrender other than that, have fun RnR

[quote name='Steve Buscemi' timestamp='1296975333' post='2621752'] Wow, epic blitz fail. One offensive declaration before you got DoW'ed 3 times by MK before update. Also, your alliance died after CharlesIV left and you became an NPO puppet. o/ GUARD [/quote] their alliance died loooooooooong before charlesIV left that coming from the inside of GUARD

i would use a maroon war or GW3 flag