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[quote name='Heft' timestamp='1296705235' post='2616948'] That NPO has changed is simply an objective observation of reality, devoid of any ideology. That you, and people that share your espoused view, are either in incredible denial or are simply attempting to deny reality to further a political goal is just another objective observation. As for your second point, I find it a bit confusing that you claim to dislike our ideology, when your own alliance has taken it to a much further extreme than we have ever been able to. [/quote] How could it be an objective observation when NPO haven't been in a position where they could reinstate their old routines? I never claimed to dislike the ideology itself I just never thought it fit your alliance very well. I'm glad you've finally embraced your true calling as moralists though. It fits you a lot better and all that whining noise coming from your general direction at any given time makes more sense this way.

[quote name='Wad of Lint' timestamp='1296688691' post='2616656'] I marvel at the rhetoric used by you and others. Any change NPO makes will always be "temporary" in your eyes. Even if it lasts four years. Anything else would disable your capacity to !@#$%* and moan. The rest of us couldn't be so lucky. [/quote] You misunderstand I don't think NPO have undergone any temporary change at all. I think they !@#$%* and moan about how immoral reps are because it fits their current position. One change I do enjoy seeing though is how the siths have embraced the "people can change" attitude and are now a beacon of morality and forgiveness on bob. I'm glad you dumped that silly peace is a lie sith stuff. Nobody really liked that anyway.

[quote name='Wad of Lint' timestamp='1296688100' post='2616647'] Oh! Perhaps this is the change you claimed never happened in your declaration! Amazing what you'll find when you open your eyes. [/quote] Maybe I missed the part where I said they've actually undergone any change. In the post you quoted I actually said the exact opposite of that. Reading comprehension is your friend, try to get along you two.

[quote name='Ragashingo' timestamp='1296685038' post='2616614'] Haha. You might remember a war meant to change their tune a while back. It's funny to see so many people complaining that it worked. [/quote] Do you really believe they've changed even a little or do you just pretend to since you think you'll be on the orders good side the next time around?

[quote name='Joe Izuzu' timestamp='1296683533' post='2616581'] Alliances that are aggressively attacked, or that honor defensive treaties, should never pay reps. Alliances that attack aggressively, whether as the instigator, or by activating aggression clauses, should never receive reps. [/quote] - NPO, 2011 You guys sure changed your tune quickly when you were no longer able to do this to others. I wonder how long it'll take to change back if you ever get any power again.

Why anyone would sign anything with sos is beyond me. Only reason I could see is that they're the least likely alliance to drag you into any sort of conflict due to not having enough spine to stand up for themselves let alone their allies. I assume this was signed a while ago since at least one of the people that signed for sos isn't in that alliance anymore. Anyways congratulations to everyone.

[quote name='Locke' timestamp='1296667455' post='2616301'] it's a lot more than Umbrella's fault that we didn't hit SLCB [/quote] Is it in any way related to your spine being surgically removed? I bet whoever did that is to blame! To tie back to my original point, if you don't honor your own treaties you haven't really earned the right to mock anyone for peacing out too early. You can try to rationalize or blame others all you want but it just makes you look that much more pathetic.

[quote name='Locke' timestamp='1296666829' post='2616292'] Talk to Roq if you want to know why we didn't; I prefer not to spill others' secrets for them. [/quote] It's spartas fault you couldn't enter this war and it's umbs fault you couldn't stand up for yourselves? Do your 'alliance' make any decisions themselves or have you just outsourced that whole thing to others?

[quote name='Locke' timestamp='1296666101' post='2616281'] So, after the royal !@#$%*fest on Sparta for dwarfing Exodus, bandwagoning in on them is fine? As for the rest, refer to the above. We don't exist for your amusement either, sorry. [/quote] You could enter on any of the fronts your allies are fighting on. You choose not to which is pretty much what anyone expected from you guys but when you start !@#$%*ing about who left the war at what time when you didn't even bother to enter it makes you seem even more like..well.. you guys. As for the rest you know what happened and so does anyone else that read that thread. I don't really mind your alliance being a joke. It's kinda funny to see you guys try to call out others when you're a UPN tier alliance yourself. Actually that's not fair. At least UPN tries.

[quote name='Locke' timestamp='1296663103' post='2616234'] Oh my, this "argument" again? Heh heh, at least it's one easily debunked. [spoiler]Feb 01 19:14:19 * Hurricane|Class slaps Locke[SOS] around a bit with a large trout Feb 01 19:14:26 <Hurricane|Class> You $%&@s never got into the war Feb 01 19:20:14 <Locke[SOS]> Not my fault, Hurricane|Class. Feb 01 19:20:25 <Locke[SOS]> I tried to get us in on three different alliances. Feb 01 19:20:41 <Locke[SOS]> No wait, 4. Feb 01 19:24:05 <tiznoast> i dont get it locke Feb 01 19:24:10 <tiznoast> everytime you talk about war Feb 01 19:24:26 <tiznoast> it's always like "we tried and if i had my way or if they had their way or blahblahblah" Feb 01 19:24:37 <tiznoast> you guys have like 8 people in your alliance Feb 01 19:24:43 <tiznoast> who is this great peacemaker of which we have never heard Feb 01 19:24:48 <Locke[SOS]> It's not our alliance that's the problem. Feb 01 19:24:52 <tiznoast> lol Feb 01 19:24:53 <tiznoast> i see Feb 01 19:24:54 <Locke[SOS]> It's our allies not wanting us in. Feb 01 19:24:58 <Locke[SOS]> Like, take Exodus. Feb 01 19:25:09 <Locke[SOS]> I wanted us to hit them for RIA, but apparently Sparta picked them up. Feb 01 19:25:17 <tiznoast> and here i thought you guys had sovereignty Feb 01 19:25:18 <tiznoast> heh Feb 01 19:25:19 <Locke[SOS]> And they were already set. Feb 01 19:25:22 <tiznoast> Feb 01 19:25:31 <Locke[SOS]> So nothing I could do much about it. Feb 01 19:25:35 <tiznoast> yeah Feb 01 19:25:42 <Locke[SOS]> Then there was THL, who surrendered too fast for us to get in.[/spoiler] And of course, you ignore little things like [url="http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/SOS_Brigade_(Standard_Edition)#History"]the Bipolar War[/url], but hey, if you hate us enough facts don't matter, right? Just do us all a favor and shut your trap before you go mouthing off about things you could never know or understand because taking unrelated matters out here won't benefit anyone other than me for the laughs I'll get; it just bores everyone else. [/quote] I don't see how you debunked anything. Sparta hitting them doesn't exclude you from hitting anyone. As you showed just before this war you won't even stand up for your own alliance so I guess it'd be silly to expect you to stand up for your allies. Nice debunking attempt but actions speak louder than words and your alliances actions have always just been varying degrees of pathetic.

[quote name='Locke' timestamp='1296639988' post='2615994'] I for one don't see it as "wrong" that GATO peaced out, however...I must say it's never something I could support either. [/quote] Not entering for you allies at all is much better right? You can go back to whining about who did what in the war when you're not in a joke alliance.

Posting in a [i]brilliant[/i] thread.

[quote name='Logan' timestamp='1296602578' post='2615190'] You misunderstood what I said. We have white peace with UINE; and GDA and Tetris have accepted the same term for nonreentry which I would categorize as mutual peace. I do not see how you see this as a surrender to UINE but you can keep that warped perception of reality if you would so wish, I really don't mind that much. [/quote] You guys hit UINE in defense of SLCB. UINE is still at war with SLCB and you guys signed a no re-entry and peaced out. How is my perception warped if I see that as a surrender to UINE? The only reason I posted here was that I was pretty surprised to see tetris surrender. If I misunderstood anything here please enlighten me.

[quote name='SirWilliam' timestamp='1296598402' post='2615075'] Wait wait wait, Doomhouse and FAN can win but GOONS will still lose? [i]Really?[/i] [/quote] Cat is out of the box. We're rolling GOONS. [quote name='Taliburn' timestamp='1296593362' post='2614952'] Called Loyalty. You should try it sometime [/quote] I said that the trash talk is hilarious since you and your alliance just handed in their surrender not that you should leave mcxa. You seem like a good fit there.

[quote name='Taliburn' timestamp='1296585766' post='2614850'] It's easy to be a follower right? how does one have minus 1,100 soldiers and still have time to talk crap? [/quote] How does one stay in MCXA and still have time to talk crap?

[quote name='USMC123' timestamp='1296587626' post='2614870'] Except GDA isn't re-entering either. We were more than willing to keep fighting, but as you said, GDA had no reason to stay in with the alliance they entered with was no longer there. [/quote] That was my point. GDA bowing out after the alliance they entered for is out is natural. The surrender here is to UINE that's still at war with the people you entered to protect.

[quote name='Logan' timestamp='1296568472' post='2614624'] I don't see how you consider a white peace and a mutual peace is surrendering but yeah. Anyways we effectively kept a 3 mill NS alliance from redeclaring in either conflict, and that is essentially what we would be doing if we stayed in the conflict taking more damage. [/quote] Since GDA was exclusively at war with you guys and the alliance they entered for was already out of the war I don't really see how this can be seen as anything but a tetris surrender though. Not reentering is a term so this isn't white peace. You guys took a big hit though so I guess it's fine.

Unless I missed something SLCB that tetris entered to protect is still fighting 5 alliances so tetris surrendering here seems a bit odd to me.

[quote name='SoADarthCyfe6' timestamp='1296280228' post='2608923'] Someone once told me MHA was politically incompetent. [/quote] Fun fact: You're in GATO.

The war on evil never ends. You will be purged from this planet.

Protecting treaty partners is immoral. You've become the monster VE.

This wasn't very original. Still a little bit funny though.

bWARthday? More like dwarfday! Sorry, couldn't resist. Happy birthday and all.

[quote name='AlmightyGrub' timestamp='1296181937' post='2606523'] Polaris will be here long after you have been arrested. [/quote] Arrested? Don't make me laugh. I'm way above the law.

[quote name='AlmightyGrub' timestamp='1296173641' post='2606328'] You are incapable of finishing anything. You couldn't even disband properly [/quote] I bet you could do it much better. Give it a shot.