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[quote name='Umar ibn Abd al-Aziz' timestamp='1358828442' post='3082908'] So INT hit NATO, which means NEW and DB4D activated their treaties with NPO? IRON? AI? TIO? NATO? The wiki doesn't seem to indicate how you guys are chaining in :S [/quote] I think it is via NATO thru NADC with an oA.to the rest of the equilibrium.

Congrats to our allies at MW

Regardless of which log is true, I do not see any difference on the reasons why BFF cancelled on NEW since the log given by the OP is partial only. The message on both are the same when it comes to cancellation with NEW. I am with Brehon and magicninja on this one.

[quote name='xR1 Fatal Instinct' timestamp='1358133459' post='3076036'] Oh get over yourself. [/quote] Spreading the GPF way around Arizona, thru Invicta. Imagine how low will you bring down the Arizona reputation if put your ways there.

[quote name='Lurunin' timestamp='1358109375' post='3075893'] here's the charter in relations to SG/Triums: [/quote] The new charter does not say the majority of membership can overrule Mark only the trium with 2/3s vote can overrule which has been the repeating excuse of mark which is the majority membership or democracy that made him to do so. The charter does not specifically state that they are a direct democracy much like LSF or the commie alliances wherein the members can overrule one person or the leader. GPF is more of a representative democracy, wherein power rests on those they voted. If they do not like the decision of their leaders, they can actually just not vote for them. The good thing about this is mark and GPF can always break promises at their will even any promise made to PPO.

[quote name='White Chocolate' timestamp='1358054997' post='3075756'] I come from a democratic alliance too and given a similar situation I'd either not make any promise and just be up front about it's not my decision or, if I believed that the alliance charter gave me the power, I would stick by my decision and if the membership didn't like it enough, they could vote for someone else next election. If it really is possible for your alliance membership to change a promise once made, you're in for some serious trouble when that happens after you promise military support to some alliance that is counting on it. You should probably fix the alliance rule(s) that allow this before it does more than make GPF look incompetent in dealing out internal punishment. [/quote]\ This is sums it up. The trust has been shattered when it comes to GPF. How will the current allies react when GPF officials promise something that GPF can just turn their back on and make an excuse. Same way on new possible treaties of GPF.

[quote name='Ernesto Che Guevara' timestamp='1357880823' post='3074567'] Absolutely. I understood that at the time, I understand it now, and I accept full responsibility for it. I assure you it was not done out of selfishness for myself, but out of my desire to protect BFF as best as possible. [/quote] sorry to not include your wall of text. But that is command responsibility and mark of a leader of an alliance, not scapegoating. It must be the Political Science background of most of BFF. I salute your for this.

if the ASR is accurate everyday, that was one fantastic, coordinated AA transfer by Invicta

Wow Asian Leader nice to see you making another try on a micro alliance. Hope it goes well this time. Any protectors?

Can everyone involve please make this a global war instead of just having fun with the few of you.

[quote name='Cress' timestamp='1357836459' post='3073944'] Unless your a fellow member or ally we particularly don't care of your opinion on our business. To Bern: Irule is in peace mode and deleting hence why we aren't hitting him too. Also don't try and play all innocent not only did you coup you sent orders for our members to attack an ally. Joke coup or not you disrespected the choice of the members. [/quote] Cress, i find it amusing that GPF posted this in OWF but dont want the opinions of OWF. I cannot believe GPF would stoop low ever further after this OP. But, you have proven it wrong. If you really guys wanted only the opinion of your allies and your members as well as BFFs, you could have gone to their IRCs in private or at BFF forums, your allies embassies and your embassies to deal with your members. Not post this in OWF. Just remember when you post again, this is OWF where all planet bob can see and post. GPF forums are where you, your members, allies, friends can see and solve this matter privately. Allied forums are also where you can private discuss and get opinion of these matters with you and your allies.

[quote name='markfrancos' timestamp='1357806723' post='3073756'] Well, GPF has always been for its members. Not some elite sect who thinks they are the owners. I am a mere representation of the people. Their word collectively is law. [/quote] GPF is really bad with the law/treaty interpretation. There is nothing that says the your members can overrule you except the triumvirates. If you are going to make an excuse or lie about it, at least make it right. At least your excuse was, the triumvirate decided to overrule me on my decision on my pardon. Right now, the issue is currently GPF is word is nothing nor can be trusted Let me point a situation. Argent/PPO/MHA requests for military aid. You, as a representative, or as stated in your charter " the supreme authority on all issues in the GPF", However, your membership have decided not to help them. Then, all your promises, you as Secretary General, representative of GPF, goes down drain and becomes simply because your membership said so. It is the same on the situation now. Your actions, or GPF actions being Secretary General as the representative, have shown that everything you post officially is not official. But hey, this is GPF rule interpretation 101 much like back in the Dave war when you can enter an aggressive war with a PIAT. Hey, maybe next time you can declare using your NAP or declare yourself absolute ruler even you have no control of your government.

[quote name='markfrancos' timestamp='1357785451' post='3073530'] valid questions Bern brought it upon himself I pardoned him yes . It was not I who started off the whole reps thing. If you look at one of my earlier posts with logs you will see that I was approached on behalf of Bern to pay reps. In reality he should have known to expect them. Otheir collaborators were expecting them. The pardon was from war and destroyal. Yes now it looks like I am going back on my word but when his negotiating representative took back the deal he refused to pay anything. He actually welcomed zi and war even when I tried to negotiate and I hope that Bern will be a man and state that this is true otherwise it will just be revealed in s few hours time when I am back on my pc. And I show the logs. [/quote] the previous logs tells, the you are the Evil Dictator but your decision would be based on the Triums decision/gov decision. So in a sense, this wasnt your decision but the GPF governments decision. In short, you are NOT in charge of GPF. Another problem here is that even if for example, You promise another alliance a new treaty, MDoAP. But, your government disapproves, you cannot do anything about it. But follow your government much like what you did and stated in your logs. I already respected and had very High regard on GPF during the pardon. But this all ZI and payments is going like the LOSS-GPF problem last year.

I find this odd that GPF, particularly markfrancos, did not uphold his word as within his power vested upon the GPF Charter. He pardon all coup plotters as proof http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=114663 After pardoning, suddenly turned his back on his word and posted this. Due to the new events, How are we going to trust GPF and markfrancos in the future, when GPF can break any promises they make? How can GPF allies trust GPF, now that GPF broke their word? These are perfectly valid questions on the GPF alliance. On a personal note, At the very least, please start a global war so that all of us can have fun.

Congratulations to both alliances! Especially to our sexy allies in DT!!!

congrats UCR and NSF! crv, thats a lot of treaties in a couple of days. congrats to NSF!

I am already curious on what is happening since this was brought to OWF. Since TENE already declared support to the "government in exile," how about the other allies of GPF, which government they recognize or they decide to become neutral,[ PPO, Argent, KoN, MHA(did i forget any other ally)]? What about the majority of the membership, how many of the 60+ members of GPF recognize which government? Now that the current triumvirate is in control of the GPF forums, and the "government in exile" has no forums nor has declared which forums is legal. How are we going to recognize the "government in exile"?

[quote name='markfrancos' timestamp='1357552329' post='3072367'] 16 Days in the alliance for Bernkastel. 22 Days in the alliance for Irule777 22 Days in the alliance for Pangui Well this looks like a long serving legitimate leadership of GPF If you want convincing just look at the facts. [/quote] Wow a coup Isnt Irule part of the GPF-TDE merger back a year ago?

Congrats to our allies at DT! Early graduation for you NSF and crv...

Congratulations Sengoku

Congratulations to everyone elected!

[quote name='Gopherbashi' timestamp='1356850084' post='3069353'] Hmmmm, that's odd... doesn't exactly mesh with the top-nation bloc stats I normally come up with. [/quote] Issue with stats especially with more nations is time. If SCY gathered that on a specific time, it would be different from the stats you gathered from a different point in time considering that both are in server timezone.

[quote name='supercoolyellow' timestamp='1356811879' post='3069179'] I decided to see where the current blocs stack up against each other. Here are the results. 1. [664] [b][color=#ff8c00]Duck Roll Project[/color] : [/b]126.5 Strength: 32,559,532 Tech: 2,348,413 Nukes: 9,175 2.[758][color=#00ffff][b]Does Equis[/b] [/color]: 109.45 Strength: 26,683,047 Tech: 1,864,400 Nukes: 9,401 3.[621][color=#ff8c00][b]Complaints and Grievances Union [/b][/color]: 108.87 Strength: 27,619,998 Tech: 2,053,903 Nukes: 7,492 4.[363][b]Doom House[/b] : 79.97 Strength: 21,042,813 Tech:1,921,044 Nukes:5283 5.[513][color=#0000cd][b]Aftermath[/b][/color] : 71 Strength:17,086,988 Tech:1,106,760 Nukes:5,017 6.[573][color=#800000][b]Super Friends[/b][/color] :64 Strength:14,403,580 Tech:886,238 Nukes:4,624 [/quote] When putting on bloc stats please also put Ave NS and number of nations. I also did this for months at our forums. AVE NS is one of the most important stat. A perfect example of this is a small total NS difference between DH and Aftermath. However, they have a huge difference on AVE NS which is a rough estimate of where most of their members will be.

Merry Christmas Britishdude, the Kingdom! You should drop by again the new UCoN forums, we have more than 50+ arcade games.

good job everyone! Congrats to all!!!