Beefspari

[quote name='ProdigyNL' timestamp='1323389248' post='2869801'] DH hasnt given any reason to think highly of them, so apparently we are just so awesome! [/quote] We could've just kept attacking. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aerisdisL6.jpg[/img]

Doomhouse: Keeping everyone guessing. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aeris9_9L4.jpg[/img]

[quote name='Roadie' timestamp='1323387527' post='2869717'] If a discussion erupted every time an MK member threatened an alliance, there'd be no room on these forums for an actual DoW. [/quote] This sort of thing applies to most alliances. It's not exclusive to MK. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aeris-_-L3.jpg[/img]

[quote name='HeroofTime55' timestamp='1323359962' post='2869234'] Please, however, stop calling it "reparations." Reparations are paid when a wrong is committed. Defending allies is not a wrong. Which is why most alliances won't take "reps" from those who honor their treaties. Because then it isn't "reps" at all, it's just extortion. [/quote] It's wrong to attack GOONs. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aerisfffL9.jpg[/img] [quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1323373496' post='2869451'] Really, is that why 7 of you swarmed to combat me? [/quote] Surely as an ex-goon you're familiar with shark week. Goons can smell stupid from miles away. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aeriswutL1.jpg[/img]

[quote name='Don Chele' timestamp='1323357488' post='2869201'] I'm not expressing surprise, I think I said that. As for "dog-piling" GOONs, you are surely able to see that the choice of which third of your alliance was hit was a function of which third of the alliances that hit you were sent to fight the war. Umbrella certainly doesn't have targets that small, and MK has few. Your defacto alliance is divided by tier, which is fine. Umbrella gets the tech, MK gets to tell you both what to do, and you get to bear the brunt of wars and collect reps. It works for everyone and nobody is surprised on the outside when it works exactly as it was apparently designed to. People will continue to "dog-pile" GOONs, though, for as long as people use this brilliant[sic] strategy of only marching out their tech farms to war and hiding their Umbrella or MK ranged nations in peacemode until it is time to pay reps. [/quote] As long as we're on the same page. People will continue to do what they do, and we'll continue to do what we do (charge reps for attacking us). Hopefully nobody acts surprised. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aeris9_9L2.jpg[/img]

[quote name='Don Chele' timestamp='1323356302' post='2869174'] I don't think they act surprised at all. I think that they have been very clear about the fact that they expect allies to defend each other, and pre-empt those allies who don't. When Beefspari says "hit goons, pay reps" it is quite obvious that this means "have treaty ties to anyone on the opposite side of a war from goons, pay reps". Moral judgments about this aside, I don't think that policy of theirs is news to anyone or something they pretend doesn't exist. [/quote] You might have a point if people on the other side were universally hitting everyone, but there was a pretty big dogpile on GOONs when plenty of other targets existed. It wasn't so much that GOONs was hit along with everyone else, most of the alliances opted to hit just us. It wasn't "defending this side" so much as "let's dogpile GOONs." If you really were worried about the reps, there were plenty of other outlets available that would still be honoring treaties to your side. So you can't honestly be surprised when you have to pay reps. If that was "the plan," then take up the reps with whoever came up with it. "The plan" was literally to send alliances at us knowing they'd end up paying reps. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aerisdisL7.jpg[/img]

[quote name='HeroofTime55' timestamp='1323354269' post='2869140'] This is the silly e-lawyering I'm talking about. You knew full well that people, including 64Digits, were committed 100% to the defense of our allies, you knew full well that you'd get us when you attacked NPO. And so you extorted billions from those you knew were obligated to defend NPO since before your shameless and unwarranted attack. This whole act of pretending to be surprised when allies defend each other against your aggression is beyond absurd. No matter what side we both happen to be on in this war or any future war, I will [i]never[/i] forget what you lot did. [/quote] Whatever man. If your excuse is you're required to attack GOONs because of your allies, you should take up the reps with them. The formula is simple. Attack GOONs, pay reps. Don't attack GOONs, don't pay reps. It's not complicated, and it's not an unpredictable outcome. If knowing all that your allies forced you to attack GOONs anyway, they're the real monsters, making you pay reps like that. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aeris9_9L1.jpg[/img]

[quote name='Gibsonator21' timestamp='1323353831' post='2869137'] You don't need a treaty to enter a war. Do you realize what thread we're posting in? [/quote] Correct me if I'm wrong, but a lot of wars start with CBs. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aerisdisL5.jpg[/img]

[quote name='HeroofTime55' timestamp='1323347495' post='2869062'] As one of the parties extorted last war, I can safely say this silly e-lawyering loophole of "we didn't extort anyone, honest!" is a load of crap. [/quote] Someone's still sore? Hey, nobody forced you to declare on GOONs, knowing full well we get reps from people who do that. If someone did force you, you should've taken up the reps with them. I don't see how we can be blamed when it was your decision to become involved. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aerisdisL6.jpg[/img]

[quote name='Rocky Horror' timestamp='1323327032' post='2868791'] Fifteen pages in two hours. The declaration that started this war only reached 33 after a few weeks! Doomhouse remain the main event. [/quote] We know we're superstars. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aerisdisL11.jpg[/img]

Hi guys. Late to the party. Glad to be back in the smashing zone. Already DAed one person. Will be glad to try out my shiny new CIA, SDI, and FAFB this war. Oh and my 4x larger than last time warchest! Hail CAMTIN! [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aerishehL1.jpg[/img]

[quote name='Commander shepard' timestamp='1322485270' post='2854787'] Let it be said the guy was a nub [/quote] I don't think it needs to be said. Nobody's impressed by a single 8100 NS PoW. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aerisdisL3.jpg[/img]

[quote name='bakamitai' timestamp='1322328096' post='2852623'] It's a Beefspari sighting! The answer to your question is: as soon as GOONS finishes fighting on the winning side. [/quote] I only show up when something interesting is going on. Which just means when there's a war. Nation rebuilding and getting new wonders is pretty dull. I'll be glad if I get the chance to put some of them to good use. This doesn't involve us just yet, but I can wait. That's all I'm doing inbetween wars anyway: waiting for one. As for the second part, we can't help it if our side always wins. We're just that good. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aerisdisL11.jpg[/img]

I'll try and keep an aid slot open. When are GOONs reps supposed to be arriving? [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aeriswutL1.jpg[/img]

It's about time GOONs got more reps. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aerishehL1.jpg[/img]

[quote name='Alterego' timestamp='1318278858' post='2822405'] Show us all the secret GOONS plans and who they are going to roll [/quote] Secret GOONs plans: Continue to be the best alliance in the game Who we're going to roll: EVERYONE [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aerisdisL7.jpg[/img] [quote name='Hiro Nakara' timestamp='1318331590' post='2822825'] For an alliance that doesn't care about much, you sure do care about quite a bit. It wasn't just warchests I got, I have been feeding info to others for well lets just say months Europa man acting tough lol STFU lapdog and go lie in your bed until master calls. Also nice warchest Sardonic, leader of the alliance, shinning beacon of hope and role model to all. When you make your own political moves without the aid of being held at the hand by MK/Umbrella then I will be impressed, seeing as that doesn't happen I find it funny that you like to play the political game more than nation building, NO. You like to watch others play the political game and be carried along for the win is more like it ;)You have a neck calling anyone an idiot when you signed an Alliance with CSN because your sad self has a penchant for cybering with Liz. That worked out swell you idiot. PS don't sit there and lie saying you weren't looking for an in to this war, I have the screen shots to prove that you were. To the haters, you just reinvigorated my will to stay here and irritate you for even longer, thanks. nippy, newflash, you're a horrible poster also sup bro. I'm EoG, ohh noes, I'm done for. Thanks for the laugh. [/quote] I don't get why you're trying to save face when you ragequit over something that wasn't happening over a war that isn't going to happen. You went out with a fizzle posting information nobody cares about and the best you can come up with is "People sure are posting in my thread!" Please stay; the joke you're making of yourself gets better with every post. [right][img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aerisdisR6.jpg[/img][/right]

You know, I just realized from looking at the OP that because of the formatting a bunch of the reports run together, are offered without much context, and don't always have a name attached. In other words, on top of being sprinkled with several actually good reports, a lot of them are of no use to anyone because you don't know who it belongs to. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aeris-_-L7.jpg[/img]

[quote name='King Louis the II' timestamp='1317870037' post='2817692'] I had the impression that the reason for Hiro ragequit was due to Goons supporting tetris. You say that this information is wrong, I believe. [/quote] Here's how it went down: Hiro decided that if we enter on the same "side" as Tetris, we're supporting Tetris. That means if we're 18 chains away from Tetris and fighting someone that's 27 chains away from someone Tetris is fighting, we're supporting Tetris. Because we're on the same side as Tetris. Or some ridiculous crap. We all know that's not how wars work, and there are more than two clear-cut sides, and just because you aren't attacking Tetris doesn't mean you're their ally. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aeris-_-L5.jpg[/img] Hiro then decided that rather than "support" Tetris, he'd just leave our AA and go fight for the other side. We said, no dude, you can't just leave the AA whenever you want and go fight whoever you want and expect to be welcomed back. [right][img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aeris-_-R3.jpg[/img][/right] So then Hiro decided to defect from GOONs and go into peace mode on None. Despite the fact that we don't even have any plans to involve ourselves [i][b]at all[/b][/i], and if we do it won't be for Tetris, it'll be for people we're allied to to defend them or support them. So Hiro decided to ragequit from our alliance over something we aren't doing in a war we aren't participating in. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aeris-_-L3.jpg[/img]

In this thread, Hiro is defeated by Tetris and all he has is a couple warchests to show for it. Hope it was worth it dude. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aeriswutL1.jpg[/img]

[quote name='Haflinger' timestamp='1315914503' post='2799707'] No, it is not the same. I've done both and believe me it's quite a bit different fighting someone getting 3/4.5M from me and being nuked by me. [/quote] I fail to see the difference when the money is going directly into nukes that the person otherwise can't afford, which is exactly the case with Methrage who is nuke capable but generally broke. In Nicholai's case, he wouldn't have nukes but isn't fighting people with nukes, so the 3m would go a long way buying infra, planes, and cruise missiles (which is all you need to win small nation wars). If you really think it's different, I encourage you to start sending aid packages to people at war and see how that works out for you. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aerisdisL2.jpg[/img]

[quote name='Charles the Great' timestamp='1315759070' post='2798736'] see I understand. I just hate tech raider scum. Once I decide to leave bob I will be on none and just waiting for the tech raider to come for me....... [/quote] Just rogue GOONs; it's inevitable and will save everyone some time. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aerisdisL6.jpg[/img]

[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1315716759' post='2798538'] I read only a small fraction of the threads here, until my war with Non Grata started I didn't bother reading their announcements. Does every alliance leader have an obligation to read every Non Grata announcement, then relay NG's orders down to their members? Are they expected to read every announcement thread from alliances they're not interested in? [/quote] To be frank, it should be common knowledge and common sense to not send aid to someone who's currently at war. For anyone, at any time. It doesn't require reading gov announcements, it only requires a person not being dumb enough to aid people who are fighting without investigating the situation. And after all the nonsense you've been through personally, I would almost expect it to be common knowledge that nobody should aid [i][b]you[/b][/i] ever. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aerisdisL3.jpg[/img]

[url="http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/Roguefest_2010"]Going rogue[/url] on GOONS and then [url="http://images.wikia.com/cybernations/images/4/43/KerberosNexusFlag.png"]whining about sanctions[/url] is surely the way to [url="http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=57567"]defeat us[/url]. We've never had to [url="http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=113617"]deal with[/url] [i][b]that[/b][/i] before. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aeris-_-L3.jpg[/img]

Is this thread a formality so we can see the next Methrage argue that they're an alliance and not a rogue so clearly all sanctions should be removed etc etc? [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aerisdisL3.jpg[/img]

If you seriously think stuff on SW's blog is an ~official PR move~ then you are beyond dumb. But I like how you went right for the jab to avoid commenting on topic (acknowledging that Legion are tools).