Dr Beefstupid

[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1284269023' post='2450675'] as the spike is your guys militarizing up and receiving aid form allies [/quote] Actually, the spike was mostly because UOKMB really sucked at warfare. I don't believe we got any aid from allies. We were beating them senseless before the nukes, which as you can see, hurt. Now that the nukes are all gone, we can resume being them senseless with impunity. The rest of your assessment was more or less accurate. Also, you notice our NS was going up a bit before UOKMB went on the scene? You were already done the damage you were going to do by the time they showed up.

[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1284266726' post='2450652'] I declared around the time their NS started falling with nukes, fighting my 7th GOONS nation this war, yet you don't give me any credit in your chart? I've been doing a lot of damage as well. [/quote] Quoted for hilarity. Methrage, I was eyeing our chart the whole time you were warring with us and it barely moved until 24 hours after UOKMB's attack when they could start nuking us. Also, you're looking at the chart for UOKMB's NS, not ours.

[quote name='Tarmikos' timestamp='1284264184' post='2450601'] First and foremost is this argument that GOONS and a few others are using regarding UOKMB only having 9 members and thus they are not considered an alliance rather they are rogues. So what makes an alliance? The dictionary defines an alliance as a merging of two or more nations. So what makes GOONS or any other alliance on planet Bob feel they can arbitrarily change this number and say that UOKMB is not an official alliance and therefore subject to tech raids and now are rogues? The simple and undeniable fact is that UOKMB is an alliance, not rogues and GOONS you started the whole thing with your little “tech raid”. In addition any sanctions being imposed under the guise of fighting rogues is deplorable and therefore I suppose it should be expected from you. GOONS, enjoy yourselves, just remember this when it’s your turn. [/quote] Ugh, are we still arguing about this? ASKED AND ANSWERED, YOUR HONOUR.

[quote name='nutkase' timestamp='1284144014' post='2448941'] Trying to insult me or something? Because you are not doing a very good job of it. [/quote] Pardon me. I'm used to dealing with UOKMB. I saw "nutkase" and thought for a second I was dealing with one of them. My point about decommissioning [i]military[/i] wonders stands. [quote name='nutkase' timestamp='1284146411' post='2448962'] It would be stupid for GOONS to sabotage his nation when he would be paying out reps as they could easily effect the payments. [/quote] Exactly. If we negotiate terms with Methrage we're not going to attack him while he's in the middle of fulfilling them. Aside from the direct consequences, it would set a precedent that people in the future should not negotiate with us as we'll go back on our word.

[quote name='nutkase' timestamp='1284140454' post='2448919'] Also GOONS do not benefit from such a act, so I don't see the reasoning in demanding such a thing. [/quote] We benefit because it reduces the likelihood that he's going to be able to cause trouble for us in the future. If he has no military wonders to back him up, it's not going to be easy for him to jump in and attack us again. [quote name='nutkase' timestamp='1284140495' post='2448920'] Why would he need too? [/quote] You're not very experienced at this, are you? Because he's paying upkeep on his wonders and will be put into bill lock if he doesn't decommission some things. Unless of course someone sends him a bunch of aid to get back on his feet again.

[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1284096609' post='2448623'] MK sanctioned me on aqua now as well, I guess it should of been expected for them to support GOONS regardless of the circumstances and request. [/quote] Don't worry, Methrage. You still have good old dependable red.

[quote name='lightningjim' timestamp='1284095525' post='2448610'] To: lightningjim From: Methrage Date: 9/10/2010 12:02:49 AM Subject: Battle Report Message: You have been verbally attacked by Methrage. You lost 2.60 IQ Points. You gained 1.1 points in reputation by your enemy's abandoned senses. In the end the battle was a Success. Any existing peace offers that were on the table have likely been ignored by the other party. [/quote] Hey! I suspect that battle report is fake!

[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1284093625' post='2448563'] So it was several GOONS in the channel imitating me, some using several variations of my name to make me look bad. Now they're using it for libel against me and some of them being unclear on whether its fake or real.... [/quote] Your powers of observation are quite good. I'm going to have to cautiously disagree with your results, however, while the matter is investigated internally.

[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1284093032' post='2448546'] So you made the logs yourself? Or was that a real conversation with someone switching their name around to be like mine? [/quote] I said nothing of the sort. This is all irrelevant anyway. I only posted the log to show the part about sanctions.

[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1284092674' post='2448534'] I realize those who read it carefully will see its fake, but most people just glance over stuff quickly as they have a bunch of tabs open. [/quote] Well then it's a good thing you bolded part of it so as to direct them to the most incriminating statement.

What makes you say it's fake? Are you denying this happened?

[quote name='Locke' timestamp='1284089707' post='2448462'] I can't wait to see this happen. [/quote] It pretty much will happen too. Methrage admitted it here: http://pastebin.com/HYZF96Ma

We're pulling for you, Methy!

[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1284087054' post='2448385'] GOONS won't magically become an alliance through repetition either, its a disbanded alliance and can't reform. Thus the current GOONS isn't an alliance and just a bunch of rogues flying an AA as they tech raid and cause trouble. [/quote] Even if we did have the same name (which we don't. The AA is not just "GOONS". You obviously noticed this when you declared war) this is a ridiculous notion. You're saying that having the same name as an old alliance automatically makes you a bunch of rogues. By your logic, the following alliances are rogues: Grand Global Alliance Illuminati Imperial Assault Alliance Independent Coalition of Nations Nordreich Viridian Entente

So you signed a treaty with just anybody. First come, first serve, guys! Operators are standing by. First person to call gets a free non-aggression pact. The benefits to this treaty include not going to war with Kerberos Nexus and the opportunity to pay them money.

[quote name='CEverettKoop' timestamp='1284002442' post='2447310'] Oh no! However now will he nuke us without his precious uranium, his lack of a war chest, and his general incompetence? I'll give him credit again, he did manage to split his GA's against me and gain a couple bucks, which he proceeded to donate to the rest of the GOONS he's fighting. That being said, he still hasn't stopped me on the ground once, and he won't. Scoreboard is now 17-3. Folks, I just don't think poor Methy is gonna be able to catch up in time. [/quote] I don't even know if it's right to gloat over this. The poor guy just doesn't know any better.

Why are we still debating about alliance vs. rogue when their leader ALREADY admitted he's a rogue? Besides which, if they were a valid alliance, the alliances we asked for sanctions would have said no. Maybe not Umbrella (since they're our buds and love us) but the others would.

Political cartoon time. [img]http://www.heisanevilgenius.com/cybernations/politicalcartoon/0008.PNG[/img] I think you'll all find this to be a thought-provoking interpretation of the events at hand and I sincerely hope you all enjoy it.

[quote name='KingEd' timestamp='1283808172' post='2444365'] I thought you would be sanctioned on every sphere by now. To the Grey sphere it is? [/quote] Nope. Still hasn't been sanctioned on red, his home team. There's still hope!

[quote name='Beefspari' timestamp='1283805816' post='2444281'] Sorry Fernando, we don't take nations at war. I wonder how long those NSO wars will last though. If more than 7 days I might be inclined to assume they're permanent. [/quote] This is where ridiculous allegations come in about NSO using PZI. Rebel Virginia, it's all yours. Oh, is that only when GOONS does it?

[quote name='Jrenster' timestamp='1283795375' post='2444041'] As much as you want to direct all of this to NSO, the fact of the matter is that this was a Dopp issue. Dopp is paying the reps, and Dopp is accepting the consequences for his actions. We were in negotiations for Dopp only because he is a member in good standing. People seem to have this illusion in which NSO as a whole is responsible for this. They seem to want to paint all the blame of Dopp's dumb actions on us. You will find that most of these critics have been our critics for a very long time. [/quote] I don't know if you include GOONS among NSO's critics but we pretty much established this was a Dopp issue and not an NSO issue. It would only have been an NSO issue if they condoned or in any way supported Dopp's actions, which they clearly didn't.

[quote name='Fernando12' timestamp='1283804665' post='2444251'] [img]http://www.rc-hr.com/esp/Portals/20/breaking-news.gif[/img] It is being reported that at the nation of United Force ceased uranium shipments to the Libertarian Empire. Stay tuned... [/quote] Well, wherever is Methrage going to get his nukes now!? Way to go, champ.

[quote name='nutkase' timestamp='1283798181' post='2444128'] So in plain wording. Bend over and take it, if you fight back we nuke you. [/quote] Depends on the severity. If a goon raids someone with GAs only and the raidee fights back with GAs only, that's one thing. If said goon sends two GAs and offers peace, then the raidee rejects it and sends cruise missiles, bombing runs, spies, nukes and GAs, then it's escalated.

[quote name='nutkase' timestamp='1283796595' post='2444077'] I hope more people within GOONS take heed of this. [/quote] Guys, some people like to nitpick the meanings of two very similar-sounding terms. I think your entire alliance should consider this and rewrite their entire constitution based on my personal feelings of confusion over this.

[quote name='nutkase' timestamp='1283795499' post='2444043'] The alternative would be to re-word it along different lines which does not involve the word Alliance.[/quote] That would be counter-productive. What's the point in defining a term if we're not going to even say what it is? I think I'm going to invent a word. It means "a dumb and pointless argument". And I just did. Feel free to use it.