Dr Beefstupid

ye guys rule. Keep it real and don't let the lad keep ye down. Edit: Oh great. be it Talk Like A Pirate Day again already?

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1284852872' post='2457568'] [color="#0000FF"]How much are the reps? Just out of curiosity.[/color] [/quote] I don't recall reps actually being discussed.

[quote name='MConorDever' timestamp='1284841684' post='2457425'] [img]http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/8338/1cnforumsigkn.png[/img] [/quote] Are you people spelling our name wrong to be ironic or something? Because I don't get it.

[quote name='JimKongIl' timestamp='1284831709' post='2457297'] You would not consider it an offensive act to launch a gather intel spy operation on your #1 nation to prove him innocence of sending a secret aid package? Successful gather intel operations can divulge information people may not want made public. [/quote] That's why a trusted third party was involved.

[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1284784400' post='2457021'] I still don't understand why you didn't just ask to have your signature removed rather than try getting me removed, but I guess I'll have mercy on you this time. [/quote] Sarcasm detector in the shop as usual.

[quote name='thekirbyfake' timestamp='1284716410' post='2456504'] It's fair to say the nations you've sent in to attack us in the second wave are laughable [/quote] Yeah. You guys are so inept and squished that we have to send our brand new newbies to fight you as everyone else is much larger in size. I'm glad you see the humour in that. In any case, it's probably best not to say our lowbies are laughable coming from an alliance that is known for its nations sending more than 20 unescorted bombers in an air strike. It kind of hurts me to point that out because I'm afraid some of you might actually learn from it.

[quote name='blindswelledrat' timestamp='1284626725' post='2455684'] My missing that joke was indeed 'astonishing' irony. I am [i]amazed[/i] beyond my wildest belief that I missed it. FUrious with myself etc etc.[/quote] Hurr hurr. I wasn't talking about how it's amazing that you missed the joke. I'm just commenting on the cosmic coincidence that me making a joke and you not getting it led to the conclusion of me being humourless. I assumed afterwards you'd see the irony in that and at least appreciate that it is in fact pretty crazy, but I guess smugness took over and instead you took the whole thing as me insulting your intelligence. Lighten up, buddy. I don't know why you insist we're so humourless when you fly into a rage so easily. Plus, I don't know how much looking around you did before you came to that conclusion, but I think you'll see that GOONS is pretty much a powerful force for humour here in the incredibly serious business realm of Planet Bob. So, uh, good luck with finding your voice. I'm sure you'll make someone chuckle some day.

[quote name='blindswelledrat' timestamp='1284622318' post='2455652'] Good Lord! THere's quite a sense of humour failure within the GOONs isn't there? I've never encountered such a serious, humourless bunch. Lighten up, for goodness sake. Slander? Personal? Are you for real? [/quote] I guess you don't get the reference. [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=91676&view=findpost&p=2448484"]Nevermind then.[/url] I find the irony astonishing that you claim I'm humourless because [i]I[/i] made a remark in jest and [i]you[/i] took it seriously. Incredible.

[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1284597743' post='2455270'] If you can't figure out how the concept of libertarianism and an empire go hand in hand, then I'm afraid you're not a real a doctor after all. Only beefy and stupid. [/quote] Apparently you have to be highly-educated in political science to obtain a doctorate in anything. All doctors know everything about libertarianism. It's a medical fact. That said, it really seems to me that libertarianism and an empire have little overlap. An empire by definition is a state that is lorded over by an all-powerful emperor or oligarchy. That doesn't really sound like the sort of freedom that libertarianism preaches.

Also, wouldn't an "empire" by itself contradict the concept of Libertarianism? How can you be Libertarian while being ruled by a fascist imperial dictatorship?

[quote name='blindswelledrat' timestamp='1284568129' post='2454808'] I see what you're up to Beefsafari I can do that too [12:10:48 AM] <Beefsafari> To: blindswelledrat From: beefsafari Date: 9/15/2010 12:01:50 AM Message: Please leave us alone We have had enough. We are sorry. We have talked among our GOONs alliance and we universally agree that you've spanked us like the naughty babies that we are. Please stop hurting us. We will do anything. And I mean [i]anything[/i]. Im pretty hot for a gamerchick you know. And I can oscilate [i]it[/i] What do you think? [/quote] I can think of certain other people who would have been screaming for three pages waving this around as proof that you are out to slander them. Also, if you really think anyone believes that you have a stockpile of nukes, they only need to look at your nation link and see for themselves. You're really not that good at this lying thing, are you?

[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1284576818' post='2454895'] Guilty until proven innocent isn't how most alliances do it, first you need to show proof with those who respect their members. [/quote] It's not. You know, the police operate the same way. They gather evidence. When there's enough evidence to obtain a warrant, they use that warrant to obtain more concrete evidence. That's what this spy op is. This is not "guilty until proven innocent." The spy op is the most concrete way of determining innocent or guilt. Do you really think that the most reasonable way to treat such offences is to ignore them until proof magically materializes? [quote name='Heinlander' timestamp='1284565874' post='2454792'] Who posted in: GOONS DoW Announcement Member name Posts Methrage 101 Beefspari 54 Dr Beefstupid 40 Haquertal 37 [b]ChairmanHal 29[/b] [/quote] Wait, I'm number three? That's certainly embarrassing. Though I take comfort in knowing that Methrage wasted more than twice as much time as me. [quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1284578943' post='2454940'] Spies get killed all the time in Spy Ops, sometimes up to 20 of them. That would be $2,000,000 lost from one spy op even if you prevent it sometimes. [/quote] That's dumb. The defending party never loses spies in a gather information op. [quote name='ktarthan' timestamp='1284579838' post='2454955'] So they need proof that he was guilty before they should allow someone to find proof that he was guilty? [/quote] Thank you for saying that. I'm glad someone was able to put it so simply.

[quote name='pezstar' timestamp='1284522644' post='2454385'] Out of all of this... rambling, exactly one thing is true! Let's all guess which one! [/quote] That GOONS is not treatied to STA?

You guys are just like a popular work of fiction from the early 20th century. It's obvious why. Don't expect me to just spell it out for you. You must all be really dumb. It's called an analogy. Look it up.

[quote name='kulomascovia' timestamp='1284429945' post='2453153'] Your heroes are rather [color="#FF8C00"]amazing[/color]. [/quote] I fixed that for you. Hope that helps.

Well, that was a really great refreshing thread. Anyway, I think it's time to move on. Thanks for the laughs, guys.

[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1284346218' post='2451890'] Both the GOONS you have on me right now have been knocked below my NS, it will be interesting to see who you send as the third. [/quote] Only one of the GOONS you were fighting was knocked below your NS. The other is above you. Since the latter succeeded in two GAs against you and you failed in two GAs against him I wonder why you see it as a victory. [quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1284361042' post='2452085'] Paying the tech will be easy, although I'm interested to see how you guys think you will have me in bill lock or anarchy. [/quote] Paying the tech would have been easy if you were smart with the aid you were just sent. But it looks like you messed that up.

[quote name='Haquertal' timestamp='1284341338' post='2451834'] He'll get another few people to give him aid so he can pay it back. [/quote] Sadly, I think you're right.

[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1284340101' post='2451813'] You haven't got any spy reports on me, so that's proof your full of lies. [/quote] Well, pack it in guys. He says we don't have any spy reports. That's PROOF. Can't argue with that. I'm looking forward to seeing how he plans to pay back the tech, since he's so confident he'll be able to afford it. Should be interesting seeing him blame us when he can't, too.

[quote name='Fernando12' timestamp='1284309335' post='2451028'] You need to show some leniency to those that deserve it if these nations are new. If they are older and have had the time to learn the ways of bob, then I agree that you can take action against them. [/quote] New nations tend to not be in the market for buying tech. They usually sell tech. I'm sure if there are innocent circumstances they can be taken into account, but we can't just let anyone off the hook due to ignorance, or soon everyone will be sending war aid and pretending they didn't know any better.

[quote name='Whyohwhy' timestamp='1284306292' post='2450983'] From what I have seen the goonS need to ensure they have all the odds stacked in their favour and are so scared of 8 rogues they feel the need to request sanctions. [/quote] I never get tired of people calling sanctions an act of cowardice. Please keep doing it. It tickles me. It's also an act of cowardice to take the safety off my gun and it's an act of cowardice to reload after I'm out of ammo. And while I'm at it, the fact that I have a bigger knife than the guy attacking me shows that I'm SOOOOO SOOOOO scared.

[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1284301457' post='2450923'] Biazt's comment is just a straight out lie, Beefspari's is misleading at best. [/quote] Methrage tries to sell tech, withholding information that can get his customers entangled in war, and then accuses people of being dishonest. Irony flows like majestic rivers through this thread.

[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1284305534' post='2450971'] Tech raiders = rogues in my opinion[/quote] Methrage just defined every alliance that tech raids as rogues. That's great to know. Methrage, even if you don't agree with our stance, you know that we made an announcement that anyone aiding you while you're at war with us will be an act of war. Trying to start a tech deal and not letting people know this little fact is pretty dishonest. Let me give you an allegory. Say there's a regime that is systematically persecuting members of a specific race and you are protecting some of these victims. Let's say you can't protect them any longer and decide you need to take them somewhere else, so you offer to pay someone to transport them out of the country. If you fail to tell them that they're harbouring fugitives you're putting their life at risk even if you don't think it's fair that the fugitives are being persecuted. I am not using this allegory to say that GOONS is in the wrong for treating aid against you as an act of war. I'm saying that even if what we were doing was totally unjust, it's shady and scammy for you to try to make tech deals and refuse to disclose that anyone who does such with you will be committing an act of war.

[quote name='Tarmikos' timestamp='1284271048' post='2450705'] No, in fact its not an argument at all, its simple fact. Seems your living up to your name. [/quote] Your first sentence is erroneous and your second sentence is a very unsubtle insult to my intelligence. So, that's how you're going to play it? Okay, let's do this. First, that's great that you think I'm stupid when you can't even master third grade grammar. I'd hope that English is not your first language. It would certainly explain your shaky grasp on basic English words such as "fact". See, it's not a fact. It's an opinion. Even if the whole world agreed with you, it's still opinion. Now that I've thoroughly demolished this post, let me finally attack your actual original argument about what is and what isn't an alliance. And try to pay attention this time. Eventually you're going to have to learn how to figure stuff out on your own. There is no universal definition of alliance. Maybe you don't agree with that, but the [b]fact[/b] is that if you look at the charters of various alliances you will see that very many of them do have their own definition of what constitutes an alliance. Even one nation can have an "Alliance Affiliation" but very very few would consider that to be an alliance. A lot of people recently have voiced the opinion that to consider an AA an "alliance" that it must be 2 nations or more. Fine, that's a valid definition. But is it universal? The reason we must make these distinctions is because even rogues can band together into groups of three or four to start guerrilla warfare with legitimate alliances. GOONS considers an alliance to be an AA of 15 or more, or an AA that has established diplomatic ties. Other alliances have different criteria. What constitutes an alliance is an [b]opinion[/b]. What is a [b]fact[/b] is that there is no universal dictionary definition of alliance within this context. There, now do you have anything further to add, or are you just going to continue to resort to the old tried and true "LOL YOUR NAME HAS STUPID IN IT" tactic?

Why you guys gotta ruin Methrage's thread? You shall [color="#0000FF"]regret[/color] this. GONS