the masheen

What is all this bickering? Is this some sort of shot at a "moral" PR victory or something? NSO gets off with no reps (signed something saying you were wrong but just refuted it in this thread anyways) and a beer review (which was terribly written). The fact of the matter is Hoo was a man of his word and conducted himself correctly this entire war from start to finish. He said if you aid Sedrick he will attack, he did. He said that he wouldn't give you any reps, he did. He said it would last two rounds, it did. I was originally from ADI, I hated Hoo and RoK in general. Now, not so much. He seems to be a man of his word. He tells you where he stands, I like that. The more NSO whines and complains, the more frail and unforgiving you seem. Just drop it...

Best wishes fellas. Fless, Yawoo, and TOP ftw!

Congrats on peace. RV, feel free to continue fighting the good fight since apparently you didn't accept the terms of surrender.

[quote name='Mathias' timestamp='1282621266' post='2428736'] Actually, my comment is not useless. You see, this place is for the exchange of opinion, and that's exactly what I did; I gave my opinion. Now I suppose you could say my comment was not [i]productive[/i], and you'd be absolutely right. But it wasn't meant to be productive, why would I help three alliances I care nothing about? But I get the general sentiment of your post. LEAVE MICROS ALONE! LEAVE THEM ALONE! [/quote] Thanks for dissecting my post, but I think you were a little off on the analysis. It's simple: you get what you give. You made some rude and unproductive comment so I threw one back at you. You see Mathias, I really don't care about mirco-alliances or how other nations and alliances treat them. I just give people the respect they deserve. I gave LRA King the respect he deserved, and I gave you the respect you deserved. It's really that simple, so please quit putting CAPITAL WORDS AND EXCLAIMATIONS IN MY MOUTH!

[quote name='Mathias' timestamp='1282587992' post='2427927'] A bloc of three micro alliances that [i]might[/i] defend each other. Completely useless. [/quote] Your comment... Also completely useless. Good luck with this LRA King.

[quote name='wickedj' timestamp='1282428534' post='2426011'] MK, only you can save us. RoK and co will peace out ASAP and MK can resume the stomping of NSO if it means we get good propaganda [/quote] Who's to say MK isn't involved? Afterall... [IMG]http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac322/Masheenz/mksig-1.jpg[/IMG] [size="7"] [/size]

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1282544268' post='2427396'] [color="#0000FF"]Actually, he does. The NPO had a policy of "not responding to the critics," especially during Vox's hay day. Not responding to Vox did more damage than responding ever would have. Sparta does the same. While they say things, they never respond to criticisms. That doesn't help their image. So as you can see, radio silence in whatever form it takes is never a good PR strategy, and Marx should know that. In the interest of his alliance he really should be doing some damage control on this sinking ship.[/color] [/quote] I don't think \m/ really cares about their PR to be honest. They only care about what their allies think, and I'm sure they're discussing things privately with them. I assume Marx has better things to do than to throw himself into the pack of wolves and attempt to defend himself.

[quote name='Fernando12' timestamp='1282173667' post='2422176'] All I recall is me giving Marx my terms. Every term I dictated he accepted. Did I apologize on their forums like he wanted? NO. [/quote] So you're saying they took mercy on you. They let you ask for your own reps, accepted your reps, didn't mind that you didn't apologize like they told you to do, and let you off the hook. Now you're here talking smack about them. You realize why I could think you're a little out of line here?

Cangrats to all the new apointees! Good stuff GOONS.

[quote name='Fernando12' timestamp='1282171525' post='2422110'] I have whatever rights I choose for myself and one is to state the fact that \m/ is pitiful. [/quote] Ah, I see their mercy on you still hasn't taught you anything. You should have made your position of \m/ more clear when you begged them to appeal your ZI sentence. Begged...like a dog.

Although I haven't seen eye to eye with \m/ with their decisions as of late, you still have mine and Nemesis' support. Good luck with this brothers.

[quote name='Vol Navy' timestamp='1282120676' post='2421375'] Your rant would have much more effect if you actually read what STA posted rather than just assumed they protected GGA from raiders. They in fact did no such thing and actually opened GGA up for raids by any alliance who allows raids on aligned nations. They did however disputes \m/'s abilty to declare soverignty on the GGA name and attempt to use it as their exclusive raiding grounds. So really all the tech raiders should thank STA for this, they actually took a step against an alliance trying to limit raiding. [/quote] Oh. Honestly, nevermind then My bad! Misheard the news on IRC, got PO'd. Disregard anything minus the \m/ rant.

EDIT: WRONG!

Congrats and good luck I must ask though...what will happen to the [i]old[/i] orphans?

I love you guys I believe you've just created a new type of treaty. An "Attactorate" as Marx called it. Lovin it! I'm 99% sure Nemesis has your back! (even though I don't officially speak for them what-so-ever) o/ \m/ By the way, don't get "He roof time" or whatever started, he won't shut up. Just ignore him.

[quote name='SpectreTehDestroyer' timestamp='1281823313' post='2416036'] We shall see who laughs last. [/quote] Everytime I see a DoE someone from *STA? CTA?* has to be a jerk about it. If you're so sure they'll disband anyways, why do you even say anything? Your hate is not essential in every DoE. It just makes your alliance look like junk. Good luck with this anyways. *EDIT* i see what you did there Double EDIT: Maybe I didn't...Idk what your AA is honestly.

I enjoyed this.

[IMG]http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac322/Masheenz/alberteinstein.jpg[/IMG] [b]"I've done the math. Nemesis is the best alliance in the game." -Albert Einstein, 1899.[/b] Join the alliance he would choose www.cn-nemesis.net

So if it is Yuri's fault for being in the wrong spot at the wrong time, what would you say if I decided to aid Yuri up the wazoo and tell him to burn nixon to the ground. Would it be Nixon's fault for messing with the wrong nation at the wrong time? Or is the attacker clearly not at fault ever? Just wondering. EDIT: After all, similarly to the fact that Yuri should know better than to roam planet bob without protection, Nixon should know that there are certain risks involved with declaring war on another nation.

[quote name='Ivan Moldavi' timestamp='1281671214' post='2413832'] I haven't been around so I don't really know what is going on. Aside from my popping in the other night and going back and forth with a few people I haven't paid this much attention, mainly because I am still retired. But, after taking a few minutes to actually read the logs I have to say I am a bit surprised at how things went down. Most people here know Heft. They know that he has been here for a long time and that he is one of the few "good" diplomats in the Cyberverse. When I read the logs in the OP and review the sequence of events I can't help to objectively (and yes, I mean that, not for or against the Order, but just as a non-combatant observer) see some glaringly obvious errors between what is being pushed as the "common" acceptance of the CB and reality. This is how I processed the sequence of events, if they are in error please correct me, as I said, I have not been paying attention: 1. Sedrick goes rogue on TENE (a practice I disagree with) 2. TENE counters against Sedrick (good, he deserved it if he was a rogue) 3. Sedrick joins NSO (not sure why this happened, I was always clear that active rogues needed to get their !@#$ together first but meh, it happened evidently) 4. RoK declares on Sedrick (I know RoK is TENE's protector but is this generally how this happens? Again, I don't know.) 5. Heft approaches Hoo to ask why RoK is attacking a NSO member (seems reasonable enough) 6. Hoo states that Sedrick attacked their protectorate and they are just supporting them (okay, not exactly the best way to go about it but still justified IMO) 7. Hoo states that attacks on Sedrick will stop if Sedrick pays reps to TENE (okay, fine, but if he is getting the crap beat out of him how is he going to have the funds to pay?) 8. Heft states that NSO will send aid to Sedrick (not my preferred response but Heft states that it was for peace very specifically, I could interpret that as this aid being meant to pay those reps) 9. Hoo states that it is an act of war and declares without discussion of the issue (really? If it was [i]any[/i] other alliance in the Cyberverse would this have happened?) 10. Heft again states that he was sending aid to Sedrick in order to secure peace (again, I can only surmise that this was intended as some form of support for the rep payment) What am I missing here? [/quote] The only part I would disagree with is number 9. Hoo told Heft before NSO aided sedrick that it would be considered an act of war. NSO proceeded to aid sedrick, which they've admitted was not a good idea. There wasn't much discussion, but enough so where Heft probably knew that NSO should not have aided sedrick, at least until he further discussed the matter with Hoo.

[quote name='PotFace' timestamp='1281671086' post='2413829'] Well, there you have it. That's also reminiscent of the pre-Karma NPO way of looking at things as well. It's also careless politics. We all live in the same cyberverse. If you don't care about your neighbors, well, you're setting yourselves up for failure. It's not exactly brain surgery. [/quote] It's not like they weren't warned about it. "Careless Politics" would be more along the lines of what NSO did. ROK said if they aided the nation it would be an act of war, and they did. That's careless politics.

Cool treaty. Have fun pillaging together or whatever it is vikings do.

Always an interesting read. Good luck with the [s]changes[/s] change.

Yo, I'm not ripping on you because you seem like a funny guy, but you have absolutely THE WORST effeciency I have ever seen. It's 2.46 I think. I guess it just makes you all the more funny.

[quote name='Heft' timestamp='1281565273' post='2411626'] Well, it was more like this, from my perspective: Heft: Hey, you're attacking this guy we just told you we were protecting. What? Hoo: Yes, we are. Heft: But we just told you we're protecting him? Hoo: We don't care. Heft: Well now if I defend the guy that would lead to war, even though we just told you we were protecting him, so I'll just send him some aid instead. Hoo: That would be an act of war. Heft: I'm sure you won't declare war over that because that would be incredibly retarded. Clearly I did, in fact, misjudge. I underestimated the apparent severity of the situation, I guess. And violated some policy or whatnot. [/quote] Can both sides just stop with this sort of thing? It's so annoying to read. At least you didn't make Hoo sound like a 12 year old like most of these fake "gist of it" logs do.