the masheen

[quote name='Il Impero Romano' timestamp='1283237943' post='2436822'] They just like getting a rise out of people, the more you yell the obvious (i.e that they in no way, shape, or form, won...which should go without saying), the funnier they think it is. Honestly, reading the conversation in this thread is sad, creepy, and entertaining all at the same time, its practically a literary snuff film. Very odd sensation, and telling of the community standards now a days. [/quote] 99% of NSO is just saying it to get on people's nerves, but I will maintain Fernando believes every word of it.

Good luck on the switch. Good luck to FEAR as well on that senate seat! From what I remember of my ADI days, you guys were a great group! <3

[quote name='Corinan' timestamp='1283231665' post='2436696'] Hey there neighbor, I understand that you're upset that the New Sith Order won this war but it's not nice to tease people like that. You could hurt their feelings. [/quote] Sorry, it wasn't meant to be directed at anyone specifically. [quote name='Ragashingo' timestamp='1283232682' post='2436723'] Well there's a term you don't see tossed around every day. [/quote] [size="20"] [/size]

[quote name='heggo' timestamp='1283230779' post='2436669'] Maybe so, but if doesn't revolve around us we're at least sitting at its Archimedean point. [/quote] I'm pretty sure he was talking about the NPO. Please do keep up with the conversa...nevermind. Furthermore...Nanana boo boo. Stick your head in doo doo. (i believe this was the general direction the conversation was heading.)

Honestly I just find it sad that it's because of people like yourselves that it's extremely difficult to have an intelligent conversation/argument with someone. You should be ashamed. Whatever, I'm sorry for trying to help you. You clearly don't want any help, you'd rather just feed the immaturity. Good luck out there NSO, congrats on the victory guys. "I cannot and will not deal with your type, Fredo."

[quote name='Bavaricar' timestamp='1283226813' post='2436567'] The only reason this discussion has continued for as long as it has is because Hoo got BLANKED by his so-called allies. Denials of this here have created the unfortunate perception that he is either a weakling or a liar, or possibly both. [/quote] First of all, my friend, the only reason that it has gone on so long is because the NSO thought it would be funny to get people's "panties in a twist" and controlling people. [OOC]Is that an admission of trolling/flamebaiting these last 10 pages? Maybe that's why Nando is just surfing this topic and reporting it to the mods.[/OOC] Second of all, I don't even know what you mean by your post. Care to clarify for my niave self? How would DENYING the fact that he was controlled by his allies create a pereception of weakness or lying? I honestly don't get it.

[quote name='Jgoods45' timestamp='1283225528' post='2436546'] So the war is technically still active? Unless of course,I misunderstood what you where trying to say. [/quote] Don't stop them now. So far they've established that words (their word) mean nothing, signed documents by their government don't mean anything because they'll just refute it later, signed documents are null and void if the writer of the document promised them it wouldn't be written, and if you trust anyone you are a niave moron. They think they're extracting something from people, yet the people have extracted more from them. Let them keep digging their own grave.

[quote name='Fernando12' timestamp='1283223611' post='2436510'] You are so naive its really amazing. Take note of what you are saying and what in the future brings war to Pacifica and we'll see if you are right. [/quote] Did you even read my post where I clearly explain why I believe what I believe? Sorry for having an ounce of trust or respect for somebody. Sorry, I don't mean to derail the topic, but this is the last time I will ever respond to posts made by you, Nando, so I'm asking you nicely to please never ever respond to anything I say again. I won't mention you in my posts ever again. I cannot and will not associate myself at all with your type, Fredo. You know what I'm talking about. Good luck out there and good day, sir.

[quote name='the masheen' timestamp='1283222427' post='2436486'] Duely noted, RV. However, you're making bold assumptions here. Hoo has stated his CB and it has nothing to do with drawing out the NPO. I'm inclined to believe his word for he hasn't given me any reason not to. He has been fairly straight forward and honest about everything he has said thus far. He said aiding Sedrick would be an act of war, it was. He said [color="#FF0000"][EDIT][/color]the NSO would be given the opportunity to exit the war [color="#FF0000"]with RoK [/color]in two weeks with [s]basically[/s] no reps, and indeed you were given the opportunity.[color="#FF0000"][END EDIT][/color] Afterall, what good is a man if you can't trust his word? You have to earn trust and respect and he has done just that. Until he does something to tarnish that trust and respect (see Fernando), I will stick by and listen to what he has to say. If you want to base your facts off of suspect and hunches, by all means go ahead and do so. I try to base my beliefs on the words of people I respect (yourself included). The reason I would take his word over yours in this instance is because he was the one doing the declaring, and he is the only one who knows his intentions. No, I don't believe this was all some diabolical scheme hatched up in the legion of doom where CnG and SF put their heads together to come up with ways to destroy the NPO. Not that I wouldn't put it past them or even mind if the did (we need more drama after all), but the circumstances of how the war started would suggest otherwise. Look at the position the NSO put Hoo in. He had said "if you aid Sedrick it will be war" and NSO went ahead and did it, which they've admitted wasn't smart. Now Hoo is in the position where if he doesn't attack he is a coward and a liar (this goes back to the whole trusting a man's word I eluded to earlier). The NSO invited the attack on themselves. Even after discovering that NSO aided sedrick, Hoo went to your government and made sure that it was an act of your government, as opposed to an act of an individual member. What kind of scheming war monger would warn you in advanced not to do something, give you an opportunity to not do it, and then double-check and give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't mean to do it? No type that I know of, because surely it wasn't his scheme to start a war to bring out the NPO, it was the aftermath of a man who kept his word. [/quote] [quote name='Heft' timestamp='1283223418' post='2436508'] That's not actually what was said but moving on, since that's been covered plenty already. It is fun to watch people get all upset that not everyone is validating their victory (although interestingly it's mostly not the "victors" complaining). [/quote] Fixed

[quote name='Rayvon' timestamp='1283221850' post='2436477'] Except you missed the memo where Hoo's word was law. Hoo said such a document of terms would not exist, therefore it is not a legal document. [/quote] Now you're just being absurd...

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1283205065' post='2436140'] [color="#0000FF"]Actually, masheen, if RoK wanted to war the NPO they'd need a CB. Well, they don't really need one, but they'd have a hard time justifying the war without one, and the last thing they want is to look bad. They aren't stupid, as you may or may not know. So, when you can't get a CB on an alliance you want to hit, what do you do? Well, the next best thing is to find a smaller ally of theirs and hit it, flimsy CB or not, it doesn't matter. With any luck you'll draw them out. Remember BDC? CIS? A few others as well. What did they all have in common? They were allied to the NpO and hit because certain parties were looking for a way to draw Polaris out. It eventually worked with Hyperion and GR, so don't worry fellows, hit enough alliances and maybe you might one day hit the jackpot.[/color] [/quote] Duely noted, RV. However, you're making bold assumptions here. Hoo has stated his CB and it has nothing to do with drawing out the NPO. I'm inclined to believe his word for he hasn't given me any reason not to. He has been fairly straight forward and honest about everything he has said thus far. He said aiding Sedrick would be an act of war, it was. He said [color="#FF0000"][EDIT][/color]the NSO would be given the opportunity to exit the war [color="#FF0000"]with RoK [/color]in two weeks with [s]basically[/s] no reps, and indeed you were given the opportunity.[color="#FF0000"][END EDIT][/color] Afterall, what good is a man if you can't trust his word? You have to earn trust and respect and he has done just that. Until he does something to tarnish that trust and respect (see Fernando), I will stick by and listen to what he has to say. If you want to base your facts off of suspect and hunches, by all means go ahead and do so. I try to base my beliefs on the words of people I respect (yourself included). The reason I would take his word over yours in this instance is because he was the one doing the declaring, and he is the only one who knows his intentions. No, I don't believe this was all some diabolical scheme hatched up in the legion of doom where CnG and SF put their heads together to come up with ways to destroy the NPO. Not that I wouldn't put it past them or even mind if the did (we need more drama after all), but the circumstances of how the war started would suggest otherwise. Look at the position the NSO put Hoo in. He had said "if you aid Sedrick it will be war" and NSO went ahead and did it, which they've admitted wasn't smart. Now Hoo is in the position where if he doesn't attack he is a coward and a liar (this goes back to the whole trusting a man's word I eluded to earlier). The NSO invited the attack on themselves. Even after discovering that NSO aided sedrick, Hoo went to your government and made sure that it was an act of your government, as opposed to an act of an individual member. What kind of scheming war monger would warn you in advanced not to do something, give you an opportunity to not do it, and then double-check and give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't mean to do it? No type that I know of, because surely it wasn't his scheme to start a war to bring out the NPO, it was the aftermath of a man who kept his word.

[quote name='kevin32891' timestamp='1283202391' post='2436098'] I'll be glad to explain. We didn't get our allies in the stomp, we made a half-ass'd forced apology, no reps, and an excellent beer review; unfortunately can no longer be seen. To me this is a strategic victory for us. I'm glad to see someone else that is sane in here. [/quote] You realize that the root of your "didn't get allies involved" argument for victory is based on an opinion about why the war was started in the first place. To call someone not "sane" because they don't share the same opinions as you is clearly unjust and unfair. Your opinion is that Rok started the war because they wanted to escalate the conflict to get your allies involved, some would specifically note the NPO. Other people, myself included, would argue that the war was started because Hoo told you that aiding sedrick would be considered an act of war and you did it anyways. Keeping your allies out of it was actually more of a victory for them because they could smash you harder without having to worry about someone else stepping in and wrecking them. The cold hard reality is, if Rok wanted to war with NPO or your other allies they would have declared war on the NPO or your other allies. There is nothing stopping them. Rok wanted to war with the NSO, hence why they declared on the NSO. I don't mind if you just agree to disagree, but at least try to comprehend where the other side of the argument is coming from and don't dismiss them as not "sane" for doing so.

[quote name='kevin32891' timestamp='1283128493' post='2435181'] I'm not trying to make anyone mad, I'm just stating what I perceived the outcome of this battle. If you're getting frustrated by my comments, that's of your own doing. [/quote] If you are honestly being sincere in your posts, which I still assume you aren't, would you mind clarifying for me on what grounds the NSO proved to be victorious? I'm all ears and genuinely curious as to what you have to say.

[quote name='Ragashingo' timestamp='1283124601' post='2435113'] I think they may be playing a different game than the rest of you. Getting crushed to them, I believe, is well worth seeing ya'll get all annoyed.[/quote] That's only valid if people were really actually getting annoyed. And even if they were, if that's the way you run your alliance that's pretty pathetic. But to each his own I guess. EDIT: Not YOU, ragashingo. I'm talking about NSO, just clarifying.

[quote name='kevin32891' timestamp='1283124459' post='2435108'] [img]http://pawsru.org/fc/src/fc49010_u-mad1.jpg[/img] All I've learned so far from this war is to do more tech deals. [/quote] Really? How old are you, honestly? So when you fail miserbaly to make someone angry (the only thing that makes you feel good about yourself), you will simply just claim that you did anyways in some pathetic attempt make yourself feel better? What kind of person just posts to try to make people angry anyways? Thanks for reminding us all that Bob is over-run by 13 year olds though, I had almost forgotten.

This is just classic NSO being NSO. They are pretending to think they won the war simply to make people mad. That's it. That's what they do. They try to make people mad. That's why they got curbstomped in the first place. They haven't learned anything. That's why the NSO is complete garbage. I can't wait until you make the same stupid mistakes, step on the wrong toes and get crushed again. I'm sure your enemies will make it extremely clear who won next time. Until then have fun playing the annoying little pest role.

Classy stuff! This was very well written! Enjoy the many more years to come, fellas. Take care.

[quote name='Tungsten' timestamp='1282828761' post='2431717'] I see your "you're not relevant" and raise you a [i]no u[/i] - in all seriousness, the most interesting thing about this last conflict has been the amount of emotion coming from those on the sidelines. I guess if you can't beat them, or join them, the CN response is to post with vigor.[/quote] Like I said, it was a response to your comment. You made some jerkbag response that had absolutely nothing to add to the conversation. The point of your post was nothing but an attempt to make someone angry over the OWF. I can't fathom the idea that someone would find it necessary to post something like that just for the shear rush of trying to make someone angry. Whatever helps you sleep at night I guess. Just quit being such a jerk is all I'm asking. It's really not THAT much to ask, is it?

[quote name='Tungsten' timestamp='1282803521' post='2431584'] The butthurt, its spreading! Seems to be most contagious in members of alliances that didn't even fight in this war... interesting. Rayvon, I suggest we form a joint committee on the issue before more innocents fall victim to this strange phenomenon. [/quote] Get over yourself. Like you matter enough to get anyone butthurt I was just trying to defend someone from your unwarrented attack. Take it how you want to, stud.

[quote name='Tungsten' timestamp='1282787651' post='2431411'] I LOL'd. Seriously, doesn't matter what side its coming from, butthurt is always hilarious. [/quote] I LOL at VE everyday. I think Losif was just pointing out that NSO got smacked down, SURRENDERED, signed away their dignity with a statement of wrong-doing, and still claim it was a "stand-still". Whatever disease Fernando is suffering from must be spreading.

[quote name='Fernando12' timestamp='1282692100' post='2430053'] Hey reteard, I was recently ZI'd. I'll duel your ignorant $@! too if you want. [/quote] Whose fault was that?

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1282691146' post='2430026'] [color="#0000FF"]We knew we'd be attacked my multiple alliances (I doubt RoK would have gone in alone, regardless of what you say). As we were caught off guard we needed time to prepare and organize a counter offensive. Again, common sense military tactics. OOC: As for your comment about "no whining," I do have to say this is one of the failings of the OWF. Due to the simple fact that most people here are not all that original or bright, whenever someone on the smaller side voices a dissenting opinion it is always discrediting as just being "whining," or "bawing," or "tears." NPO made it clear when they were rolling FAN and MK that they were just whiners, as were those who disagreed with their moves. As was NoV called "criers" and "whiners," and those who stood up for them, by TPF and Co. Vox was also considered a group full of "whiners." Karma, or the former Karma, has been saying the same thing since they won that war. Really, it is quite ridiculous that a person here cannot express a view that is not in the majority without being labeled a "cry baby" (and I fully expect to be called one myself just for this post) when it is a far cry from the truth. Most people have by now been on both the defeated and victorious sides of the web, and most active here were likely posting dissent against the NPO and everyone else who was in charge at that point. Did that make you "whiners" who couldn't take the punishment rightfully owed to them? No, not at all. You merely had a differing opinion. So if we're going with the definition of "whiner" that seems to be so readily tossed about here I dare say that every single one of us is a great big baby. Or perhaps we can simply veer away from such childish and imbecilic insults and instead resort to civil discourse. Nah. Who am I kidding?[/color] [/quote] The reason people are saying you're whining is because RoK has been pretty straight forward with you guys from the start of the war until the finish, and NSO doesn't have any material reps to pay. So the "Why are you complaining?" confusion is just kicking in.

[quote name='Fernando12' timestamp='1282691376' post='2430029'] I'll own you. As far as alliance duel, you know who to talk to. [/quote] Congrats on being SLIGHTLY better than someone who is 100 days younger than you. But then again, I'm about 100 days younger than you and I still nearly triple your ns. Quit being such a tough guy with your 26 efficiency rating.

Wow, I love this more than you would ever know. I can't wait to tell The Saget.

[quote name='Heft' timestamp='1282685520' post='2429875'] The beer review was terrifically written, what are you talking about? Oh and yes there were no reps or materially harsh terms, we're aware of that. Just because people keep mentioning that doesn't mean it has anything to do with the actual conversation. [/quote] I know the conversation. NSO and friends are trying to dissect every single aspect of the war and Hoo's logs trying to find fault and bad PR to throw at RoK. RoK and Hoo are defending themselves and all RoK's allies are rubbinng NSO's nose in the fact that they surrendered. Am I missing anything?