R&R-Viking

this is pretty funny

[quote name='neneko' timestamp='1295971907' post='2600235'] MK is horrible for the DoW but not GOONS wich is literally in the same DoW. How are those consistent morals of yours working out for you? [/quote] Quite well if you take context and history into account.

[quote name='SirWilliam' timestamp='1295971357' post='2600222'] Viking, I may be unclear on your position here, but to be clear you're upset with how peace was and may be handled on fronts you're not involved in? [/quote] nah, I don't care really. My stuff isn't even directed at GOONS, really. I should have singled you all out in my first post, actually.

[quote name='Branimir' timestamp='1295970648' post='2600191'] Well it was obvious that NPO will be never given a chance to exist "in the new world". [/quote] It's also pretty clear that some of us wanted to give you a quick and relatively painless death and some enjoy keeping you down with a boot on your neck.

[quote name='Locke' timestamp='1295969626' post='2600167'] That was pretty much VE's CB. "They were running to peace, so we had to declare early." [/quote] At least VE had more to go on than just "welp, looks like they are hitting PM"

[quote name='neneko' timestamp='1295969648' post='2600168'] You seem to miss the fact that the hypocrisy goes both ways. Everyone have changed their moral compass to what's supporting whatever they're up to. Besides this wasn't a pre-emptive strike, it was a unprovoked attack. Big difference. [/quote] I'm pretty sure GOD's moral compass is squarely where it was when Karma was going on. It might be normal for your alliance to chase a PR victory or whatever by swapping the way you interact with the world, but some of us prefer a more consistent and honest path.

[quote name='Affluenza' timestamp='1295969050' post='2600155'] Yes MK gives white peace...still butthurt MK and TOP are friends eh? [/quote] With friends like these....

[quote name='TECUMSEH' timestamp='1295968571' post='2600142'] I can't believe it, but godspeed Pacifica. [/quote] I'm busy dismantling members from your alliance, yet I agree with you. Weird.

[quote name='neneko' timestamp='1295968612' post='2600144'] That was the joke. [/quote] I thought you all were supposed to be funny, though. My bad.

[quote name='neneko' timestamp='1295968363' post='2600136'] [img]http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b212/StalinsHeros/stopsig.jpg[/img] [/quote] You know that sig was made to poke fun at MK and TOP during Karma, right? Right? Quote my avatar next time. I'll give you one guess.

[quote name='greatmagnus' timestamp='1295967528' post='2600113'] I still dont see how declaring a war is spineless. [/quote] They had the chance to finish this years ago and wanted to whiteknight for every moralist in the game. In doing so, they all had choice words for people like me who wanted to end it there, only to now take advantage of the situation and roll tanks after NPO did nothing wrong. It's the height of spineless and if you don't think it is I have a wonderful bridge you might be willing to purchase. Don't give me that tired explanation of "herp we're at war look at our backbone." I don't buy it, and most others don't as well. [quote name='mrwuss' timestamp='1295967586' post='2600114'] You're spineless crybabies, every last one of you. (it works both ways!) [/quote] This would be accurate if I had a history of trying to give white peace to my enemies at the expense of my allies, and GOD has never done that. MK, though.....

You're spineless hypocrites, every last one of you.

Crush them NPO. Say what you want about me, I'm no fan of yours. I have no interest in you living, or being a successful alliance. At least I can say that I've been honest and open about it, and sadly the opponents you face today can't say the same. There's nothing in this world I dislike more than dishonest people, and the people you fight are the very definition of dishonest hypocrites.

You know, as someone who was very honest about why I was fighting in Karma (to destroy NPO etc for good) I had to listen to a bunch of people in these alliances tell me that I was no better than what we were fighting against. My government had to deal with endless criticism. You know what though? We were honest. We had a spine. You folks aren't honest. You folks have no spine. I hope NPO crushes you.

[quote name='Bob Janova' timestamp='1295791887' post='2593860'] It's like you guys don't even try to read. Right out of the DoW: MHA 'aren't the enemy' and 'not worth spying on' – go spy on MK or VE instead. That is, Dajobo [i]sent the spy[/i] (Lennox/Chancy) to MK or VE. That is really the core of the CB, all this thread and RV's are about is getting conclusive proof that it really [i]was[/i] Dajobo doing that. Edit: Kilkenny, one might argue that MK has a CB too, but the spy chose VE over MK of the two choices Dajobo gave him, so no spying on MK was ever actually done (at least by Lennox), so it isn't as strong as ours. [/quote] It's useless, they are just going to ignore it and instead focus on the inconsequential peripheral incidents. This is why I'm not a fan of seeking or providing a valid CB to anyone not allied to me. They are just going to hand wave it away and make up their own line of reasoning. Just like we did way back when.

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1295685950' post='2591597'] [color="#0000FF"]I fail to see what you find so amusing about productive discourse.[/color] [/quote] You realize you're like TV to us, right?

[quote name='Crymson' timestamp='1295666797' post='2590578'] We also control all media and money in Cybernations. You're coming dangerously close to sounding like the worst kind of total wacko. [/quote] I'm fairly certain we can all agree Xiph isn't doing the bidding of TOP.

[quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1295663600' post='2590392']I have not projected my morals on anyone. Just saying what I believe on the OWF along with everyone else. If you're talking about Polar though yea let's be honest, they made mistakes. They know it. I think it's time to move on by now. Like I said before they have and still are paying for it. Pushing for their destruction and bringing down a whole host of alliances with them though isn't the way to do it. [/quote] Maybe it is though? Your making the mistake that many make in assuming some of us who fought during Karma were white knights for moralism. I'm not, so I don't really care if NpO gets rolled. Plus now I'm fighting UPN and maybe GATO and that could be the best thing ever. Lighten up, Francis.

[quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1295663168' post='2590355'] I guess we just disagree there. I like standing up for my morals no matter who it is. [/quote] That's the rub. My morals are different than yours. Are yours right, or mine? I probably have an easier go at this because I don't project my morals upon everyone around me.

[quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1295662765' post='2590325'] Is it really fair to tolerate injustice if it happened to people who were unjust?[/quote] Yes, yes it is.

Jon and I are deep behind the lines Ego, sorry, extraction will be impossible.....just get the hell out of here and save yourselves!

[quote name='Van Hoo III' timestamp='1295500781' post='2585105'] I have a vested interest. [/quote] Going back a few pages, I know.... If you have a vested interest in SF, and SF is going to be engaged with an unnamed member on the opposite side, why did you join NpO? Why not defend the member you think is about to be slighted?

there's not nearly enough references to Karma in this thread, the community seems to be slipping pick it up guys

I wouldn't exactly call it work VVV oh god don't give them any ideas

it's me, I'm juslen