Jocko Homo

I'm against war on principle but with your tools at least I can see what [i]exactly[/i] I am against. Thank you for doing this.

[quote name='Tygaland' timestamp='1295940850' post='2599445'] OK, can we settle on "war is almost always not the answer"? [/quote] Yes, thats pretty good. "War is almost never the answer". done.

[quote name='Jocko Homo' timestamp='1295938133' post='2599286'] War is never the answer. [/quote] [quote name='Tygaland' timestamp='1295939287' post='2599354'] This man is wise! [/quote] Well, I guess it depends on the question. For, like a math problem, war really is never the answer, but if you framed the question right, war[i] could [/i]be the answer.

War is never the answer.

War is almost never the answer man. Can't you all just sit down and rap about this? If you need a place to crash while rapping about this you can hang out at my pad. I'll have my wife Windy Breeze make us some granola crunchies and we can explore our feelings for each other!

[quote name='mpol777' timestamp='1295933255' post='2598755'] I'm not sure why you are dragging us into this. I will ask FAN.gov about this situation and get back to you [/quote] [quote name='Sir Paul' timestamp='1295933438' post='2598775'] mpol, I think it's the other way around. http://www.cybernations.net/search_wars.asp?searchstring=Declaring_Alliance%2CReceiving_Alliance&search=Federation%20of%20Arned%20Nations&anyallexact=exact [/quote] [quote name='Jaiar' timestamp='1295933536' post='2598796'] [url="http://www.cybernations.net/search_wars.asp?searchstring=Declaring_Alliance%2CReceiving_Alliance&search=Federation%20of%20Arned%20Nations&anyallexact=exact"]THIS[/url] is why. You are FAN and you don't know? Or you are lying? [/quote] Hey man, like, I don't know what your problem is man, but don't try to drag us into your fight. We just want to be left alone man.

While I have sometimes found myself on the opposing side to NPO, my Pacifican roots still like tug at my heart. I just wish everyone would chill out.

I simply hope for a quick end to the hostilities. War is never the answer.

[quote name='Spaarlaamp' timestamp='1295929389' post='2598174'] Oh and since FAN doens't have a topic, good luck FAN, have fun with doing to them what they did to you for years! [/quote] We don't need a topic, we are just going to sit this one out.

I pray for a speedy cessation of hostilities and that a civilized dialog replaces the sounds of gunfire. Best of luck to both sides and if anyone wants to rap, please look me up.

[quote name='Stewie' timestamp='1295880127' post='2596554'] I love it Shows PC can take the heat [/quote] No, it just shows PC is in smack dab in the middle of the fire. How it handles the heat is a different graph. BTW, I think PC will handle the heat just fine. Have fun guys!

Typical NPO cowardice.

[quote name='mythicknight' timestamp='1295485332' post='2584597'] [quote name='Chief Savage Man']End the Orders forever.[/quote] WotC & Karma were far too lenient. These mistakes must be rectified.[/quote] Don't worry, it will happen, but no need to rush. Besides, it's easier to take them one at a time.

[quote name='Johnny Apocalypse' timestamp='1295025873' post='2575194'] [quote name='Jocko Homo' timestamp='1295025423' post='2575185']Good Day Sir.[/quote]It was a dig at your...nevermind.[/quote] [b][size="6"][i]I said GOOD DAY![/i][/size][/b]

[quote name='Zoomzoomzoom' timestamp='1295025332' post='2575183'] If people dislike the standard FAN is setting, then test it and see what they do. Do SOMETHING instead of whining, cause that sure as hell isn't going to stop them. [/quote] Careful Z3, your bias is showing through! Also love that you are in NEW and are acting all indignant about our actions in defending ourselves after what you guys just pulled.

[quote name='AirMe' timestamp='1295025573' post='2575192'] That does not make his point any less valid. If it was someone more powerful, chances are you would have had a different reaction. [/quote] Maybe so, but that then leads to the following question: "if you are weak and friendless, is it a good idea to attack an alliance 15X your strength?" If it makes you guys feel better, just consider this whole episode an "intelligence test" and someone failed miserably.

[quote name='Johnny Apocalypse' timestamp='1295024726' post='2575175']You speak as if this was an action sanctioned by MFO Govt. I say you are wrong and that this is the action of a rogue nation. Punishing the entire alliance for the actions of a single rogue will not avoid this happening in the future.[/quote] You say it was a rogue but we waited 48 hours for MFO to tell us it was a rogue and all we got was silence. Well, silence from MFO, our ears were actually filled with the wailing of our children and mothers who had just been violiated. [quote name='Johnny Apocalypse' timestamp='1295024726' post='2575175']FAN are trying to paint this situation as if MFO as a whole are in the wrong, where as it is simply the case of one rogue nation acting beyond orders.[/quote] See above ^^ [quote name='Johnny Apocalypse' timestamp='1295024726' post='2575175']Your intelligence is faulty.[/quote] You are now acting as if the spy attack on FAN didn't happen and the offending MFO nation wasn't identified by CN. I'm sorry, but I am finished talking with you as you are obviously deranged. Good Day Sir.

[quote name='Johnny Apocalypse' timestamp='1295023023' post='2575143'] However pleased that I am that the terrorist threat has been neutralised perhaps a little patience from your end may have also avoided this. Do not try and cover up that you escalated this. [/quote] I think FAN will not suffer from this problem anymore. You, however, may still be plagued by it. [img]http://inclusion.semitagui.gov.co/Subjects/GunControl/Humor/NeighborNotArmed.jpg[/img]

[quote name='Johnny Apocalypse' timestamp='1295024131' post='2575165'] Yet you felt the need to punish the entirety of MFO. Am I to assume this how FAN will react to all incidents similar to this? [/quote] If a 1000+ day alliance seniority member attacks a FAN nation and then almost 48 hours passes with no word to the contrary then yes, We will assume it was an intentional and sanctioned act and we will respond accordingly. Anyone who doesn't is a fool or a coward. We are neither. It's a tough world out there and mommy isn't picking up after you and wiping your butt anymore. We were more than patient, we waited almost 48 hours for a solution that was ultimately solved in under 3 hours. That's 18X longer than was necessary. That is restraint and patience. And if we are as bloodthirsty and evil as you are implying then this action would not have been successfully ended in under 3 hours.

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1295023888' post='2575157'] ". . . and you may get away with it for awhile till . . ." You imply MFO's been at this for weeks or something and now they're getting their's. [/quote] We don't know [i]who[/i] has been at it each time. We can only say that this one time we had actionable intelligence and acted on it.

[quote name='Johnny Apocalypse' timestamp='1295023023' post='2575143'] However pleased I am that the terrorist threat has been neutralised perhaps a little patience from your end may have also avoided this. Do not try and cover up that you escalated this. [/quote] [i]We caught a thief red handed[/i] and yet you are upset we didn't show patience. I say you are wrong. It is the repeated cycle of [i]hand slapping[/i] and [i]stern talking's to[/i] that enables these injustaces to continue. The act we just did will do more "avoid" this happening in the future than 10,000 lines of IRC logs.

[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1295022418' post='2575135'] ...but the responsibility for clarifying that someone has gone rogue and is no longer part of the alliance falls on (FAN).[/quote] Sorry, but you are absolutely, 100% wrong. If a 1000+ day member of your alliance goes around and attacks people then you damn well better make sure everybody knows that it is unauthorized. At the very least his war slots need to be filled up by YOU. If a 10 day seniority nation did this then everybody, including FAN would be questioning who this nation is, we are no fools, but a 1000+ day alliance seniority nation? Sorry, the bird don't fly. People need to man up and accept responsibility for their actions.

Much talk exists about all this for a single terrorist action. I must correct you on this very key point. This was the first time a terrorist attack has been performed on FAN where we had ACTIONABLE INTELLIGENCE regarding the identity of the evildoer(s). The events where money simply disappeared or nefarious deeds were perpetrated on our peace loving souls but by unknown persons are not being considered. are not being considered. [quote name='Comrade Trotsky' timestamp='1295021628' post='2575129'] So does this mean that none of those children will get their guns? [/quote] Less than 3 hours after we forcibly opened diplomatic channels, MFO and FAN reached an amicable resolution to our mutual concern. http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=97068 All of FAN is greatly joyed that the over active ADD seeds that have sprung from our loins will now have the firepower that all growing cubs[s] need[/s] deserve. We were also very pleased to find that the terrorist tumor that was growing within MFO was limited in scope and that radiation therapy was not required to successfully treat it. Much thanks to JoshuaR for dealing with this issue swiftly (although being a bit swifter may have avoided all this in the first place). We offer our [i]sincere[/i] hope that MFO thrives and that the terrorist element that once thrived within it's boarders is fully eradicated.

Peace at last, peace at last, thank god almighty, peace at last. It's been a hard fought battle and much tears were shed on both sides of the lines but with effort I am sure we can overcome this scar on our shared history and move forward to a better CN, a better America and ultimately a better Earth.

OK Guys, let us not descend into petty bickering. Remember, this is about an unprovoked attack on the Children of FAN. These little guys (and girls) don't understand all this geo-politic stuff, they are simply kids. All we ask is for a safe place to raise them without fear of a crazed terrorist running in and trying to harm them. Is that wrong? Really? If it is then I dont know whats right. I just put my son (little Homer Homo) to bed. He was crying and I gotta tell you that rips my heart out. I just want to take care of him, to give him the best I can, the things I didn't have when I was growing up. Like the new Mattel M16. It goes BRAAP BRRA-A-A-AP BRAP BRAP. Just like Daddy's. BUT THOSE THIEVING TERRORIST !@#$%^&* FROM MFO STOLE IT AND THEY ARE GOING TO PAY! [img]http://lh5.ggpht.com/_3eP6UuyLqG4/TS_6PXlsFWI/AAAAAAAAAVw/FwxJmvBt6h4/s800/m16.jpg[/img]