Wu Tang Clan

Good luck to both of you.

[quote name='Centurius' timestamp='1334232490' post='2951447'] This line is getting horribly old. [/quote] Did Leet say you could talk? Get in line toadie.

[quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1334111777' post='2950944'] But we're talking soft power not raw NS. Raw NS can never be outdone by soft political power. You could be the most powerful alliance in the world, and still be taken down by a coalition. [i]And Sparta was outdone in the number of friends they could bring in. Friendships with the promise of help (which usually are in the form of treaties) means more power. Overall the more friends you can bring to the fight the more likely you are to win the fight. [/i] I think you're trying to say the same thing I am, but you're focusing in on the word "treaties" which I already said was a flawed word to use. If you're trying to say that NS=power though you're completely wrong. [b]If you're saying reputation=power, you're missing part of the equation. There are several cases of alliances with awful reputations doing well for themselves for a while, because they had the key treaties/friendships.[/b] [/quote] I'm completely dismisses NS from the equation. However, your assessment of reputation is wrong, in my opinion. If an alliance is only doing well because they have key treaties/friendships, can you really say they are doing well? [OOC] For a real life example, if Greece's economy gets propped up due to backing from Germany it may appear to be doing well, but it clearly is not. [/OOC] My view, in a nut shell, power can only be derived from political capital. Political capital can only be generated from your reputation. Friendships/treaties of convenience do not promote, or improve your alliance's situation, because they are temporary at best, and when used effectively can only win wars in the short run. And, as history has proven, it's better to lose a war fighting than to win one on coattails... in most cases. However, by generating enough political capital, an alliance would be able to influence its' allies and friends enough to promote their own agenda. The downside, generating political capital is a lot of give and take, and takes a great deal of predicting the future (guessing). Edit >> I'd also wager that through treaty-linking Sparta could bring in just as many alliances as their adversaries did. Which renders your italicized statement pointless.

[quote name='SoADarthCyfe6' timestamp='1334151684' post='2951065'] I can't say what's worse for who, signing with Invicta or signing with CSN. [/quote] Signing with CSN. By a long shot.

[quote name='Leet Guy' timestamp='1334154744' post='2951082'] I know right? Lately I've just been throwing darts at a board with your names on it. Seems I've been getting more accurate in recent cycles! [/quote] Hit Crispy next time, or we're not friends anymore.

Boo! No Crispy. Congrats on the great looking line-up though. Bob, Cent, megamind, Owned You

[quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1334075610' post='2950721'] Yea I guess it's more of a "friendships with promises of help" than "numbers of e-paper". Usually, it's solidified in treaties, but sometimes in the case of MK's short treaty hiatus and FAN they're not. [b]In the case of Sparta and MHA, this last war with the exception of Umbrella (who is a good case of what I said above). They weren't really tied to anyone powerful.[/b] I mean there was FARK, but FARK has never really been the type to use soft power. Just take a look at the VE thing, the whole drama with PB, the threats lobbed at NoR, the refrain from posting on the OWF etc... [/quote] Sparta and MHA were members of one of the largest blocs in the game. Sparta also had RIA, TTK, and NOIR. MHA had IRON. (Admittedly ODP's hold little bearing, but they have been used before as an entrance route into wars... for the right alliance, which is my point) The fact is, the treaties didn't matter for these alliances because they had no political capital to influence their allies in any significant way.

[quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1334073842' post='2950718'] That's the problem with having too many allies though. You have to accept whatever they say at face value. [b]I agree with the basic idea that treaties equal power and leverage[/b], but having too many treaties gives you no way to maneuver. Overall, it's better to strike a nice balance of building a circle of trust with a group of loosely allied people with the same goal. Doing that is next to impossible, but it'll get you farther than treatying the entire world and hoping for the best. [/quote] Just disagreeing with this point. Having a lot of treaties does not mean you're powerful. Even a large alliance with a lot of treaties appears weak when they are not able to influence their allies in a meaningful way. See: Sparta/MHA in the past war. Despite being tied to the most powerful alliances in the game, they still were in essentially a curbstomp. The treaty isn't what generates the power. It's the political capital an alliance has. It's why even a completely untied MK (when they purged their treaties) was more powerful then most alliances in the game.

Good luck with this.

Time to find out of SCY is really CN's best recruiter. Also, join Jihad!

Good luck to both of you.

Proof MK just did this for positive PR. Just kidding. Good work guys.

[quote name='FluffyBunny' timestamp='1332986333' post='2944697'] BUMP. [/quote] Join Jihad, we're a close-knit small alliance. We don't offer free money, but we'll fill your slots with tech deals and help you grow efficiently.

Couldn't that have gone in this thread: http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=109953 ?

[quote name='King Xander the Only' timestamp='1332960003' post='2944409'] That took long enough. [/quote] What? They just approached us on Monday.

[center][img]http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/7378/jihadpink3.png[/img][IMG]http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr280/Redemption007/LGA.png[/IMG][/center] La Gran Alianza (LGA) will be under the protection of Jihad until further notice. Any attack on LGA will be seen as a direct attack on Jihad and dealt with accordingly. Thank you for your time. [center][IMG]http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr280/Redemption007/terror.png[/IMG][/center]

[quote name='Ernesto Che Guevara' timestamp='1332899351' post='2943943'] That's disgusting. [/quote] It's ok... I used protection.

[quote name='Ernesto Che Guevara' timestamp='1332898952' post='2943939'] What the $%&@ did you just post? [/quote] He loves people.

Good thread. I love everyone too.

GOONS or NG. If you want a smaller alliance, you can check us out... we're not at war ALL the time, but we do enjoy a good spat.

[quote name='Evella Vada' timestamp='1332771711' post='2943307'] You are misinformed which only makes you look really ignorant, everyone has said I am not Peggy Sue nor was I ever, that is even a whole damn topic about it on this forum. So Come up with something a little more solid please. I really did not even take the time to read this post... why would I? but I did scan it and see the word funny farm, and I thought that was pretty funny, so I giggled a bit. So thanks for the comic relief for the day. I'm certainly suggesting NSO is far from their glory days in this game. Nobody Cares. K?Kewl. [/quote] For an alliance that has "hit rock bottom" and is "far from their glory days" you are certainly making quite an effort to respond to every single post since you entered the thread... why would you do that for such an irrelevant alliance that is clearly on its way out? [OOC]On an unrelated note, are you more of a Buddy Holly fan... or Blink 182 fan?[/ooc]

You can't give hugs with nuclear arms.

Needs proof, imo.

Congrats Chax! I miss you, we don't talk enough anymore.

[quote name='King Death II' timestamp='1332529569' post='2942249'] Um.... what? Have you forgotten about The Legion? or how about Regnum Invictorum? I think even The Last Republic is of that theme [/quote] They're imperial roman themed? They don't RP it very well...