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[quote name='Jonathan Brookbank' timestamp='1342100664' post='3009133'] [09:22] <Jonathan_Brookbank|BalMasque> Here comes some million year old reference to the Emerald Affairs which I wasn't even gov of GGA to have a role in [/quote] [list] [*]Criticise VE for making references to the past. [*]Only refer to VE as [i]"zombVE"[/i] (referencing a 3 month stretch 5 years ago) [*]Reminisce about egore, a leader who left 4 years ago. [/list] You would sound a lot more convincing in your [i]"no, I don't care about the past"[/i] if your nickname for the VE wasn't about an event that happened 5 years ago.

[quote name='WarriorConcept' timestamp='1342067337' post='3008862'] Fully agreed, this is why 2006 and 2007 were so fun. Short engagements but full out fights with more drama in between. [/quote] Now I am just reminiscing about the times when alliances decided to escalate a war by going nuclear. Now nukes are standard operating procedure.

[quote name='D34th' timestamp='1342064146' post='3008717'] And there goes my respect for VE, I knew that without PB to back them VE would fold really fast. [/quote] You had respect for the VE before this? If you did, it didn't show. [quote name='Brehon' timestamp='1342065529' post='3008785'] *See told you Goldie I needed to specify that* [/quote] I'm surprised there is even any confusion about this. Though reading the OP, it doesn't specifically say who does what. I guess the context should make it obvious that the terms apply to the VE. Maybe if you don't know the context it might confuse.

Did not expect peace this soon. Ah well, good show NPO! (and allies)

This gave me a good laugh 1. You are not an alliance, you are one single nation. 2. You declared war on a bloc with more member alliances than you have warslots. 3. You attacked an enemy of GOONS, thus helping them. [b]Fantasy:[/b] You are an alliance at war with PB [b]Reality:[/b] You are a rogue helping GOONS out, hence fighting on their side in the war Now if I were to continue with your fantasy, then I would ask you this; How can you claim to be at war with GOONS when every single nation in your alliance is helping GOONS?

Depends what you mean with support. I wouldn't think it is desirable or in any way something alliances have the right to do, but if you think you can do it, why not. Just don't be surprised if every treaty partner you have decides to drop you because you are acting stupidly. I do support anybody their rights to do whatever they want as long as they are willing to accept the consequences. The fact of the matter is, the consequences of trying such a thing would easily outweigh the benefits. You would need to survive the massive PR hit if you do decide to do this, and there is the obvious threat of letting people in that don't like you from the start. Nobody would even blame such a person if they were to try and infiltrate/spy/destroy the alliance that annexes others.

[quote]Finally, Methrage has decided to make a pest of himself again, so I find it necessary to put the boots to him and his partner in crime, Nicholai. We'll be commencing attacks whenever I get around to it. For those concerned, only Methrage and Nicholai will be attacked; the rest of MAD is not associated with Methrage's stupidity. My thanks to Aryan83 of DB4D for helping me to sort through this issue. Methrage, when you've tired yourself out from this tomfoolery, feel free to contact us in #nongrata regarding the reps you will be paying me for wasting my time.[/quote] I don't know anything about what happened but I approve of this.

[quote name='D34th' timestamp='1313088610' post='2777720'] We all know that the last time VE fought a war where they weren't at the winning side of a curbstomp they disbanded. So call it a "VE way of life treaty". [/quote] Hey look! A reference to something that happened [size="5"]4 years ago[/size]. Totally a worthwhile reflection on the current leadership of the VE.

I think this is a problem with the game in itself. Let me start off by going through the lifespan of a noob joining this game: [list] [*] Hey look, a simulation game, looks like fun. [*] Cool, my government can have positions on political ideas. [*] Hey, look at that, I have got a message saying I should join x. [*] Mmhh.. another recruitment message from Y. [*] And now A,B,C, and D have sent me recruitment messages. [*] Lets get back to the game and buy some land so that my nation looks bigger on the map! [*] No real advancements or interactions with others. Looks like this is a numbers game... [/list] Now this is where people lose interest. The sim game turns out to be a numbers game and about as interesting as accounting. Now there are two options; [list=1] [*] This game is boring, bye. [*] Let's go and talk to this recruiter over here. [/list] This is a politics simulator in my opinion. The people that play this game right are the ones who are interested in helping out your own alliance, protecting friends or advancing a political goal. See a couple of posts above me; "Disband GOD is a good place to start.". That is why people play. What got me interested in politics over nation building was when VE was attacked by GGA a long long time ago. If this hadn't happened I would have quit this boring infra farming game. [b]The majority of this game is played in chatrooms, on these forums, and on alliance forums.[/b] The least part of this game is going to www.cybernations.net and collecting taxes, finding trades (which also happens outside of the game). As a matter of fact, the people that only go to www.cybernations.net to play the game are considered to be the people who are least active and least interested in the game. When you are just starting to play you don't want to learn how to use IRC. You don't want to join some guys alliance. You don't want to play politics, you want to create a nation and buy land. That is what this game says it should be on the tin. [b]TL;DR:[/b] people come expecting a nation simulation game, turns out that cybernations is actually a community based politics simulator. I think this game can only be saved by integrating the community into the game and by recognizing that this isn't a nation building game. Either turning it into a nation building game or turning it into an actual politics simulator. With integrating I would mean that an alliance would have a list of treaties on cybernations.net, or you would automatically be in your alliance's private chatroom by being on cybernations.net. Maybe having a sort of alliance message system in game. I've always found it surprising that the only part of the game on cybernations.net that concerns itself with alliances is that you can set your AA to anything you want.

[quote name='eyriq' timestamp='1305832828' post='2715059'] Schattenmann vs Impero [/quote] I was gonna write this, but I thought it would be unfair as I am VE and personally dislike anything Schattenmann, but I guess it is ok if others say it.

[quote name='Dochartaigh' timestamp='1305519998' post='2712658'] No offense D34th, but remember that time Polaris couped ES? If you dislike alliances who coup leaders (even though ES was not democratically elected, he was the leader of Polaris), then why are you still in Polaris? In fact, Tyga- an ex-member of Polaris took part in the couping of ES in order to install a new Emperor. also, En Taro Adun!! Good luck guys, ya'll really do have an excellent line up and I know you will bring Grämlins back up to their former glory. [/quote] I love how D34th stopped posting after this post. I do think it is a sort of coup, but not all coups are bad by default. If there is someone who takes control of a successful alliance and destroys it to the point where it is but a shell of its former self then that is a good reason to take control of that alliance.

Looks like we have a new strongest bloc on CN. Schattenmann will be around shortly to complain about whatever you do. [size="1"](I wish, he has already complained about VE in this thread...)[/size] This is an awesome bloc guys. I wish you good luck.

This is some hilarious stuff right here. Avalon had 3 guys attack VE on the 29th. Avalon and VE reach white peace soon thereafter. The only reasonable explanation; VE got scared. I love the way the OWF works. One day we are blood-thirsty, the other we peace out too fast. One day we are spy masters for discovering spies, the other schatt spies on his enemies and nobody makes a peep. Ah well... Good luck to Avalon!

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1302280341' post='2686892'] Do you know what I like about me? [b]I have philosophies and ideals that guide my actions, and I'm consistent on them. One of those ideals is a foreign policy that is congruent with internal policy:[/b] Whammy. I [still] for one applaud and laud RIA's decision to conduct [i]its own affairs[/i] in [i]its own interests[/i]! Are you guys bored? You want a war to save the planet from imploding under the weight of boredom caused by lack of war? Curbstomps never were and still are not the answer. Hate to break it to you, PB and Dh--I mean VE managed to lose over 30 nations in a winning war. [b]Your overlapping, illogical, wub-based treaties are the cause, and getting rid of them is the solution.[/b] VE has never, ever, once in its entire history understood this concept. Ever. Consequently, VE has gone around decrying PZI while backslapping PZIers, talking high morality about curbstomps while propping up curbstompers. On and on and on. In this very thread you continue to demonstrate your basic inability to understand the way a foreign policy works. That has been my criticism of VE for years and if my crystal ball is still working, it will continue to be my criticism of VE for years to come. VE doesn't get it. [/quote] [quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1302368474' post='2687451'] The posts in this thread from VE to the effect that RIA should never ever have cancelled their treaty because they're friends and have been to war together are so childish that I can barely believe that I'm seeing them, even from VE. Can I expect reinstatement of VE's NPO and NpO treaties next week? [b]Friends aren't allowed to have different goals and aims? If VE's idea of friendship is so shallow as to be nothing but goose-stepping in perfect unison forever and never questioning things, then it's no wonder they're losing friends so fast.[/b] Newsflash, VE: You're not that good. Your selling point is PB, and--surprise--it just so happens that not everyone is in the market for that. [/quote] I get the first post, where you complain about VE's lack of enforcement of our ideals when it comes to choosing allies. (like not minding that our allies don't sign the ZIPP) This has been a frequent complaint of yours, as you said yourself. This is why the second post surprised me. Could you elaborate on what you meant? Also, sucks that this treaty was cancelled. Sadly this thread has to be followed by the usual anti-VE lynchmob that is expected on the OWF. [quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1302371400' post='2687478'] So that's a "no." Pity, you lost a good friend. I mean, when you say there were no more questions, and then RIA reveals that there were several, it signals to everyone out here in TV Land that you either thought that the concerns of RIA membership were beneath you, or that you didn't care enough about the relationship to stay on top of the thread. [/quote] How about you let RIA decide how they feel instead of putting words in their mouth?

[quote name='Ashoka the Great' timestamp='1301150486' post='2677144'] Also, null vote in light of the fact that the first two options have a 'When did you stop beating your wife?' feel to them. [/quote] This. You could easily argue it isn't a defection since he left after NSO got peace. He also left in accordance with his governments wishes.