Monty of the Herm

Shows you just how outdated Tywin's perspective really is. ;)

There's your problem Tywin I finally got you to ask a good simple question and you take one small phrase I used to complete my explanation to you and turn it into a whole different tangent which has nothing to do with what I was trying to explain to you just to get the last word in and bloat your ego even more... no wonder everyone gets such a headache when trying to get you to understand realities that are just plain common sense.

Karma ushered us into this reality on Planet Bob where no one hegemony could hold ultimate sway, as we did before Karma, for very long. What resulted was a multi-sphere convoluted mess of a treaty web where vying blocs of alliances scrambled for power and it has just stagnated even further to this day. Where now we have pretty much a rehashing of the previous war with changing sides, hence Letum's statement about us all mucking about in the same mud.

To be clear I was responding to a statement about a general era in our history from which we've all moved very far past and now are in a very different reality from what that was back then. It has nothing to do with specifically what you're trying to lambast us for in this thread.

When were we ever not ebil? Oh well I guess I'll go back to eating fresh, tender babies off the piers burning in SNX's backyard! YUM!!!

Wasn't the point of Karma to make us change our ways? If you haven't noticed the times we're in now are FAR different from what they were before Karma, and the convoluted, stagnated treaty web is a result of Karma's actions back then. So clearly we would change to best adapt and progress forward in the reality we're in now, I wonder where that idea came from... OH YEAH Francoism!

I'm only asking a direct question using the terms he defined himself with. It has nothing to do with timeframe or agendas.

He's the one saying he leads from the front that's all I'm pointing out.

So how is not countering an attack against your ally and letting Aftermath do your dirty work for you leading from the front Dajobo? Hypocrite.

It's actually our 11th year, hence why this is the final Singalong for our 10th year. Pacifica Prevails! Ever Forward! o/

Then again joining a game that's over eight years old, as a new nation, should make it pretty clear that this is much more of a long term game then what six months of observation gives you. Which is why it's best to learn from people who have actually been here for a while and can help you learn how to play the game well.

So we're not even four months removed from the last actual global war, the gap between the EQ War and the WotO was seven months the gap between most major wars is around six months so I don't really see what your point is here other than that you're personally bored.

Honestly I think a better tact, if you want to try to really build a solid alliance from the ground up, is to become friendly with an established larger alliance and possibly get a protectorate and work with their support to build up your own AA. And yeah $12 million is really nothing in the larger scheme of things in CN anyways it's chump change to most larger nations.

If this is an alliance DoW why is this in World Affairs? Also I don't see why you have an issue with established alliances helping younger players grow, develop their nations and learn to play the game. For the record we don't provide monetary incentives for nations when we recruit new nations they have to become full members before we provide any aid.

You have it backwards just ask IRON. The 100% turnover in their Council since they entered the war is actual tangible evidence that they know they messed up this war.

Tywinn makes coherent posts?

You just made my point. When all those alliances and their allies are looking to roll us, and IRON is clear they are moving more to your side away from us with the way EQ turned out there aren't that many other spheres in the treaty web to be ready to go against you. We even had our own allies, TIO, NATO, and TPF telling us if things played out differently they were going to be in your coalition we knew the worst thing we could be doing was plotting and scheming.

When Tywinn's agreeing with you it just proves my point more.

No... we knew how bad of a position we were in if you didn't notice everyone involved made it very clear, from TOP and Umb to IRON and Polar not to mention everyone else. When that many people say you screwed up and you're going to pay for it you don't go around looking for how to go after others. We know when our back is against a wall and know that aggravating the situation more only makes it worse so yeah you're really oblivious if you're that blind to reality IC.

You seriously think that we would be seriously involved in plotting to roll another alliance after the target we put on our own backs after EQ? Ask Caliph, Tywinn, whoever you want in your coalition we knew right when EQ ended that we were going to be at least the secondary if not the primary target of the next war to get rolled. Now why would we then go out to scheme to such an extent knowing that everyone who didn't get what they wanted out of EQ wanted our head on a platter?

So why the double standard? If NoR's hiding in PM clearly they have to have punitive terms placed on them as well by your logic. Hypocrisy at it's best! Oh and by your #s 72.9% of NoR is in PM while the nations your coalition are whining about are only 10.95% of our members. SO they should be punished even more by your logic!

Your statistics you keep making a fool of yourself over in terms of the damage sustained by us from weeks ago which you now quote as "truth" is completely outdated and inaccurate at this point and since they are now outdated and inaccurate your "truth" are now in fact lies. Since you originally railed against us about keeping "relevant" nations in PM weeks ago we've had "relevant" nations (aka nations with 100k+ NS) come out of PM and sustain well over 65% damages to their NS individually by subsequently going toe to toe with your coalition. With that being the case your "truth" in terms of the statistics you continue to flaunt are in fact all lies at this point, and you make yourself look like even more of a fool by crusading for your "truth".

Double post.

I'm a little more than just a "grunt" but you keep thinking I'm just that that's fine. I'm explaining to you how the last time these sort of demands were placed on us, Pacifica, in DH/NPO. At the time we had to accept the terms because absolutely no one was supporting us in the war it was us against DH, FAN, and NoR. We actually build our nations to fight those sort of wars because we have regularly found ourselves fighting in major conflicts with people shouting down the ebil NPO whether it's for the way we treated other alliances, or how we choose to play CN (ie our use of banks). Since DH we've been able to build relationships with other alliances so that we wouldn't be forced into the same position, and yet still at this point your coalition is still trying to force us into a similar position with NPO having actual allies who we've fought alongside and supported, and who we support and go to war alongside in return, as we are doing for NSO in this war. So now by "besieging" our "meaningful" nations you're going to war us like we warred FAN before Karma? Last time I checked we already paid for in Karma and the reps that followed. Once again a reason why our allies choose to fight alongside us because it's ridiculous, and you're making yourself look more laughable in the process by trying to make an argument that doesn't hold water on your terms.

Your whining about us not taking enough damage isn't really doing much and admittedly from your own coalition, talking with nations I am currently fighting, your coalition is doing an atrocious job of keeping up the fight and truly pressing your advantage. Personally up until yesterday I hadn't had a defensive war for over a month. It really is rather pathetic how little actual fighting we're seeing from your coalition on our front of this war. Edit for spelling.