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[quote name='WarriorConcept' timestamp='1293495336' post='2555635'] That nation will be protected by Celestial Being for 7 days starting today. [/quote] I not agree. lol

[quote name='youwish959' timestamp='1293493802' post='2555616'] You came here to spit on Hydra, however when you got shot down you quickly transition to spitting upon FEAR. I'm sensing you have a problem of looking at the facts. Hydra does no lack in the "defending" part of defending her allies. In fact Hydra has been about the best treaty partner an alliance could ask for. Perhaps you should take a lesson or two from Jacapo and Hydra. [/quote] First of, read my post on page 2, I did not come here to spit on Hydra. I apologize if it comes off that way in my later post but making sure they don't feel insulted is not high on my priority list, but it obviously is on yours. Moreover, I'm not taking any shots at FEAR, on the contrary, I had very friendly talks with FEAR's leaders during said peace talks and I made it clear that I agreed with them leaving the war because they had tried to support their allies in every way possible, and they went as far as to try and reason with NEW on our behalf. So I have a lot of respect for FEAR on that end; however, it doesn't mean I can't laugh a bit because they sought peace a day after. As for "Hydra not lacking in the defending allies department" that's all a matter of perception. From where I stand, they have not defended their allies adequately enough. But that's just me. I'm sure as their ally you are forced to have high views of them without popper reason, but that's another matter entirely. Lastly, I shall be taking no lessons from Mr. Saladin or Hydra - if I had I wouldn't be fighting for my allies/friends in DF now would I? Come again, please...

We need CN awards - the Christmas war failed...and the GOD/GOONS drama is already dead. We need something moar to argue over...

[quote name='Jacapo Saladin' timestamp='1293481832' post='2555436'] I am not sure you have any insight into the situation here, but that is expected from the likes of you. The day after ODN attacked we had already voted to go to war that night and were preparing to declare, [b]however FEAR told us they had started peace negotiations and that entering would only foul things up.[/b] Please, next time make your argument stronger than a toothpick, it is like you have given up trying at this point, and I am starting to feel pity for you. [/quote] Yes, I'm aware of that. I found it funny actually - a day after their entrance and were already seeking peace terms. In any case, my only point is that you seem to lack in the "defending" part when it comes to your allies. Also, is the NSO (MDP) your last MDP+ level treaty?

[quote name='Jacapo Saladin' timestamp='1293472096' post='2555342'] We had planned to, but you see when you declare war on people who your ally is in the process of negotiating white peace with, you could ruin the peace discussions, and end up doing more damage to them than helping them. [/quote] Well you definitely took your time.... ODN declares war on FEAR: 12/21 White Peace: 12/26 I'm sensing a pattern? First NSO gets Rok'd and now FEAR gets thrown Oranges - both times Hydra took its sweet time.

[quote name='supercoolyellow' timestamp='1293413027' post='2554813'] Interesting. If you don't mind me asking, why? [/quote] While I'm not privy to their inner workings; Blocs work in such a way that everyone in said bloc has to be fully committed to the Bloc, and in a sense put the Bloc above the rest. When NATO declared neutrality in the NEW-DF war, albeit the correct course of action, and FEAR declared war in defense of their ally, a weakness was exposed in the bloc. Not only ideological but commitment wise - "If TFD gets hit, we go in" (NATO) or something along those lines. That showed that TFD > IC for NATO, and thus making the bloc irrelevant tbh. So yeah, anyone with a brain saw this coming. A disunited Bloc is no Bloc at all. Trust me, I've been part of blocs that have crumbled: Agora, 1V, Continuum, TRC. Time and time again it was because of overall disunity. Am I close?

I heard about this...a few days ago.... One Bloc less... Good choice NATO

[quote name='Yankees Empire' timestamp='1293408726' post='2554752'] [IMG]http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m6/Yankeesfan924/NEWgravity.png[/IMG] Kinda small, but whatever lol. [/quote] One of those facts that everyone hates

Merely to facilitate NEW's reading efforts: [b]THIS WOULD BE A LEGAL RAID.[/b]

On behalf of NEW - is this AA being formally protected by any parties?

[quote name='Vespassianus' timestamp='1293386341' post='2554438'] No offense but TPE has 4 nations joined since the war started. [/quote] This is true. We had to give our friends at SLAP some needed war training.

[quote name='Alterego' timestamp='1293358318' post='2554285'] I guess with Sparta peacing out in a group they weren't able to get their standard tens of thousands of tech for a week of fighting. [/quote] Oh Alterego, you take any slights you can nowadays, heh? [quote name='Haflinger' timestamp='1293361994' post='2554295'] Work on your sense of humour, Cam. Anyway, glad to see our allies out of this madness. Although this was funny. [img]http://web.me.com/danflemming/cn/int_sparta_pow.png[/img] [/quote] Like half of your membership wouldn't surrender...[i]I laugh at the thought...[/i] Since you did have the option to defend Europa against the very alliance you are critiquing...but of course you decided to listen like the good little puppy you are and remain on the sidelines. Save your breath - Invicta will always be a fail, and putting others down - while it makes you feel better - it doesn't make you better. Move along now... [quote name='topgun0820' timestamp='1293371429' post='2554338'] If your only going to fight for your allies for a 5 days, why even fight in the first place? This could have cause a global war. Whether NEW was right or wrong, I would be looking for new allies that actually fight to get their allies out of a war, not just fighting for a few days and saying they did their part. [/quote] I think it comes down to FEAR realizing that their allies are completely incompetent. Ask FEAR, they were present at the last peace talks. Until then, I think you should reserve further judgment, or not - I'm not privy to your ideologies.

[quote name='Land of True Israel' timestamp='1293340214' post='2554095'] An apology is a formal peace term, and therefore isn't "White Peace". That would be a candy-coated surrender. [/quote] Oh you! I think we all know that when we refer to "White Peace" we mean the exclussion of reparations, not formal terms - such as: 1) No re-entry, or in this case, an apology. Move along now...

[quote name='Rikhard II' timestamp='1293339256' post='2554082'] Good fight all around. See you next war FEAR. [/quote] After all, it's or has become tradition by now...

[quote name='Gopherbashi' timestamp='1293337592' post='2554039'] Any idea why WFF wasn't / didn't want to be included in this? [/quote] They didn't want to be involved/didn't want to surrender, yet. Yes, they were invited. Yes, they were told of the peace talks. Yes, we tried to get them to peace out. They simply didn't want to. We're not trying to destroy a 300k NS alliance Gopherbashi

[quote name='Topside the Hun' timestamp='1293337044' post='2554013'] Now that Sparta is at peace again can we get on to something NEW? [/quote] WFF didn't surrender buddy - you guys have some more fighting to do

First! and I knew about this months ago! It was a pleasure and honor to have fought the brave alliances of FEAR, Paragon, and Europa. You guys fulfilled you duty, both to your allies and each-other. I wish nothing but the best for all parties involved moving forward, and it brings me joy that we were able to see eye to eye regarding the NEW-DF situation. o/ Peace In Our Time...

[b]Just so everyone knows!, I knew about this months ago...[/b] Also, Congratulations to ODN and =LOST=. You two make one fine couple of Lost Oranges...

When's the next show fellas?

[quote name='NationRuler' timestamp='1292947923' post='2548393'] Definitely the Prolific Empire. With a trump option like that, this poll is worthless. [/quote] [b]Is it so hard to believe we control the world? [/b]

[quote name='Bob Janova' timestamp='1293289324' post='2553584'] Fake DoWs are a valid CB. [/quote] Indeed. [b]This will cost you dearly GATO - I expect my tech by noon![/b]

[quote name='Dogs of War' timestamp='1293254183' post='2553328'] BTW, I was just taking you up on your dare. [/quote] Like I said, I understand you guys are honoring your personal friendship - same as we are; however, I hope that you do make it clear to NEW that they are in the wrong. I might go as far as to say that they know it - their ego is just in the way.

[quote name='Dogs of War' timestamp='1293253984' post='2553324'] I think you owe them an apology for not specifically announcing your protection of a dead alliance. How's them apples. [/quote] 01[11:34] <KingEd[TPE]> Sangar, did "NEW Govt" read the disbandment thread? [11:35] <sangar[NEW]> yes Whether they consider our obvious statements official is a crap excuse, I'm sorry.

[quote name='fant0m' timestamp='1293219581' post='2552784'] [b]We are honourary members of NEW. We are NEW.[/b] I still find it amusing people call us "rogues" and even "bandwagoners" considering it is us who is fighting a heavily defensive war for our friends. Not to mention there are nations doing the exact same thing as us on Fark's AA, only they are joining the winning side. I guess it's alright for them though. [/quote] There's no problem with that at all; the problem here lies in the fact that we are trying to bring this conflict to a quick end and you are simply postponing that inevitable end. [quote name='TwistedRebelDB47' timestamp='1293223020' post='2552836'] [b]So call us rogues, if you are scared, but don’t expect for either party, NEW or friends, to part ways before each has fair and respectable terms. [/b] Poison Clan or former Poison Clan nations involved: 13. [/quote] Is asking for a well deserved apology unfair? Is TPE, INT, Fark tyranical for merely asking NEW to give an apology? I'm sorry but your simply giving your allies the wrong impression in aiding them on a fight which they brought upon themselves; however, I hope that you have all made it explicitly clear that while you have come to their aid that you don't support nor condone the actions that led to this entire mess. [quote name='Timmehhh' timestamp='1293228857' post='2552951'] We are not "rogues" we are people who were friends with NEW and who decided join them because they needed help. Every nation who joined NEW is in it on their own accord and decided for themselves if they wanted to join NEW. There is no conspiracy here or plan from any PB alliance to bring nations over to NEW. [/quote] They don't need help - they need to admit that what they did was wrong and you, as their allies, should help them reach the same conclusion the entire OWF reached from the very get-go. [b]I DARE SOMEONE TO HAVE THE AUDACITY TO TELL US THAT ASKING NEW TO GIVE AN APOLOGY IS ASKING TOO MUCH. BECAUSE IT'S SIMPLY NOT.[/b]

Congratulations on 3 Years! o/ Darkfall - Umbrella Treaty! I wont win the contest! o/