Alterego

[quote name='Kalasin' timestamp='1286626421' post='2479599'] Frankly, if my explanation above is not sufficient to persuade you about ODN’s motivations and actions and reform since early 2009, then nothing ever will. If you had a real interest in what I had to say, I’d expect questions or intelligent criticism, neither of which have been forthcoming. At least I can say I’ve tried now, though. [/quote] I was talking about Honest Bob not ODN.

[quote name='Bob Janova' timestamp='1286622408' post='2479585'] And that's why you don't have any power left to influence anything – because you burnt it already. As with most silly arguments on these boards, the truth lies somewhere in between: actions are important, yes, but actions are very costly and need to be used sparingly. Words, when those words have the implicit threat of possible action behind them, mean nearly as much and cost much less. And once you've spent all your NS with ill-judged action, neither your actions nor your words mean anything any more. [/quote] I never had any power to influence anyone. Tell me does moral code flip flopping damage the repuatation of people who actually take themselves seriously?

[quote name='Kalasin' timestamp='1286617315' post='2479562'] We haven't had the opportunity to fight a losing war, but to be blunt I have no intention of losing a war simply to prove a point, and neither does anyone else. People have to decide, given the circumstances, whether they are prepared to trust us based on our attempts to demonstrate our reform- and I think most people (short of the real nuts, Alterego) have come to realise we're a good ally. [/quote] This is the difference between people like me and you. You think words mean something and I think words are worthless and only actions matter. This "nut" would burn in a heartbeat for his alliance and allies. Size of the opposition is totally irrelevant to me and people like me that you and others like you dismiss while you sit in backrooms and consider how to extract yourself from a war you might lose. UPN gave you a chance and you said no. You are a great ally when it comes to words but still a terrible ally when it comes to your actions in times of peril.

I saw the real Schatt and he is everything I thought he would be and more.

You know what a grass is?

[quote name='Cataduanes' timestamp='1286610833' post='2479530'] !@#$%^&*, I fought for ODN in the last couple of major wars, we gave our all most notably in the battles against TOP and sacrificed a hell of a lot. You have either not been paying attention or are so blinded by bias...I suspect it is a bit of both. And before you go onto wax lyrical on ODN's principles perhaps you should step back and take stock of your own AA's recent history [/quote] [b] Bi-Polar war:[/b] Its hard to walk away when a group of powerful alliances ran at you and continued coming at you. You were cornered and had nowhere to run so you had to fight. Dont try to make out you were going out of your way to fight. [b]Karma war: [/b]You ditched allies on the smaller side to fight with allies on the bigger side. I love the bolded line, you weren't placed on alternate sides. You saw the sides then picked the bigger side. [quote name='Sunstar' timestamp='1240368858' post='1441918'] The ODN Senate wishes it be known that we will not be able to support our allies who decide to defend this senseless action. [b]We understand and respect their committments, and regret that we may be placed on alternate sides of this dispute.[/b] They have been informed of our stance, and we hope to be able to reconcile our differences [/quote]

Here

I read that you leaked the logs.

Enjoyable read. I hope this doesnt end badly for Schatt.

NEW is a better fit than VE in that group. Surprised they arent there.

[quote name='KainIIIC' timestamp='1286565193' post='2479025'] That's probably wrong to call BAPS a 'maybe' in the coalition, but if that conflict DID develop into a world-conflict, and all your allies in Valhalla, Invicta, Olympus and Nebula-X all joined/chained in on UPN's side... would you really be willing to become essentially what you hate about UPN and stay out? My guess is no. [/quote] Hypothetically, If our allies got sucked into any global war I presume we would defend them to the best of our ability. That is a far cry from what was insinuated.

[quote name='Sardonic' timestamp='1286559901' post='2478959'] Well, looks like somebody didn't get the memo then: [/quote] I know he likes to keep it short and sweet but this is interpreted to mean he is waiting on a vote to go to war in defence of the most hated alliance in BAPS? [20:49] <@Topgun{BAPS}> Holy crap [20:49] <@Topgun{BAPS}> lol

[quote name='Sardonic' timestamp='1286559019' post='2478946'] Here's what they thought their side was: [19:46] <@Daggarz[Nemesis]> CoJ (in) [19:46] <@Daggarz[Nemesis]> Nemesis (in) [19:46] <@Daggarz[Nemesis]> NoR (in) [19:46] <@Daggarz[Nemesis]> NpO (in) [19:46] <@Daggarz[Nemesis]> LoSS(in) [19:46] <@Daggarz[Nemesis]> IAA (in) [19:46] <@Daggarz[Nemesis]> GATO(maybe) [19:46] <@Daggarz[Nemesis]> NSO(in) [19:46] <@Daggarz[Nemesis]> 64Digits (in) [19:46] <@Daggarz[Nemesis]> DT (In with NoR) [19:46] <@Daggarz[Nemesis]> Valhalla (Vote) [19:46] <@Daggarz[Nemesis]> UPN (in) [19:46] <@Daggarz[Nemesis]> Invictia(Vote) [19:46] <@Daggarz[Nemesis]> BAPS(Vote) [19:46] <@Daggarz[Nemesis]> OcUK (in) [19:46] <@Daggarz[Nemesis]> NV (Hold 4 MDoAPs..) [19:46] <@Daggarz[Nemesis]> AZTEC (If NV is in) [19:46] <@Daggarz[Nemesis]> STA (in with NpO) [19:46] <@Daggarz[Nemesis]> Sparta (Vote) [19:46] <@Daggarz[Nemesis]> ODN (In with UPN) [19:46] <@Daggarz[Nemesis]> Asgaard (in) [19:46] <@Daggarz[Nemesis]> DarkFist (will defend Nemesis) [19:46] <@Daggarz[Nemesis]> \m/ (votes so maybe) So no, not even close to even. [/quote] Seriously people we would love to see some of those alliances squashed. The idea we would ride to war with them or for them is laughable. My trium already said where he would like to see UPN a few pages back.

Its the glaring contradictions that got my attention. The announcement repeatedly contradicted itself then went on to say hes not giving the real reason why they cancelled. [quote name='TheNeverender' timestamp='1286243374' post='2474955'] pieces of digital paper are more or less irrelevant now. [/quote] Treaties are irrelevant now [quote] I should note that the Kingdom is not going paperless. [/quote] We are not tuning our backs on treaties [quote] That said, the treaty web is a malady, sapping the lifeblood from this planet. It entraps and entangles. It prevents. And, most criminally of all, it dictates. It defines who your friends are.[/quote] Treaties are a sickness destroying our world [quote] I should note that the Kingdom is not going paperless. [/quote] We are not turning our back on treaties [quote] It defines who your friends are. It defines who you respect and who you don't. It divides the world into poles and ties you to people you may not have consented to. [/quote] Treaties with friends divide the world [quote] The Mushroom Kingdom still has its friends. We are as close to our friends as we were yesterday. [/quote] We still have the exact same relationship with our friends just as if we had treaties with them [quote] I should note that the Kingdom is not going paperless. We're simply hitting the reset button. I'm not sure I would recommend "taking advantage of the situation" as it might be. That might not end well for you. [/quote] Our excuse that the treaty web is killing the planet will not stop us signing treaties. We are simply ditching all our treaties. Except the two treaties we have decided to keep. Nothing has changed btw, we will still defend our former treaty partners and they will still defend us. Just as if we still had treaties. [quote] The prevailing question seems to be - why? Not a bad question, actually. There are people in a far better position than myself to answer this question, I would say, so there isn't terribly much I'm going to be willing to say publicly. [/quote] Despite what I said about the treaty web killing the world being the reason we dropped all our treaties save two but will still behave as if we had treaties Im not prepared to say why we really did it.

[quote name='Ashoka the Great' timestamp='1286382888' post='2477235'] Nobody ever launches a vendetta against me. [/quote] Probably as well. I cant think of something with 14 in it.

No sign of ODN sporting PB sigs yet.

[quote name='SirWilliam' timestamp='1286300951' post='2476056'] It was Citadel's thing to begin with. [img]http://thecastlehall.com/boards/Smileys/kickass/colbert.gif[/img] [/quote] Im not knocking the announcement just Spartas attempt to band wagon the announcement via their sigs. Bandwanoning is their bag though.

As long as its not the Monolutions return or something, the FANolution. I've still no idea what that was.

[quote name='Matthew The Great' timestamp='1286278282' post='2475807'] Some words of advice: 1. Write a post people can understand 2. Read the thread there are no "secret" treaties, a bunch of our former allies have promised to protect us from opportunistic attacks [/quote] I didnt even consider that someone would attack MK so forgive my misinterpretation. I thought the protection was going the other way, MK protecting their former allies. edit: yes I do think they are that strong.

Whatever this is the sparta 10.10.10 sigs just crushed its credibility.

The treaty web is sapping the life blood from the planet? nothing like saying you now have invisible treaties all the same people you just cancelled on & with anyone else you like to fix that.

$3m sent

[quote name='Stumpy Jung Il' timestamp='1286222589' post='2474476'] We weren't invited to the GAYroller. [/quote] Probably as well, looks like a death trap. None of the group appear to be using protection. Yup, not a seat belt in sight. Lots of smiles from the group, except for PC who seem to be grasping the hot shaft of the exhaust. Where did you want to be in that pic the front the middle or back?

[quote name='Bilrow' timestamp='1286218334' post='2474381'] I challenge you to search my words (OOC: posting habits) and find where I ever have been hypocritical about the posting of things found in the public domain. You will find the opposite to be true, since I have always been one to shine the light on things I find. [/quote] http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=675 Said as you were in the process of bullying someone. [quote]This bullying will not be stood for. Period. [/quote] http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=675&view=findpost&p=9723 [quote]This is a case of bully tactics and it will not be tolerated. [/quote]

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1286214765' post='2474312'] "Schatt you're crazy" doesn't leave much leeway in the replies area. [/quote] You have used similar responses in the past. [quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1286209927' post='2474262'] Blocs formed in absence of any threat are in and of themselves a threat. [/quote] Blocs are formed all the time. Blocs exist all over the place right now. To single one out and say this is a threat because they are forming without a ready made enemy is rubbish. However if you read the replied there already seems to be the makings of an opposition movement.